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05/05/2015 08:28 PMPosted by Moargold
05/05/2015 08:12 PMPosted by Zarhym
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It's clear what point you're trying to make, but it's based on an assumption that's false. Before it ever went live, Bajheera's video was set to cycle out of the launcher on Monday, May 4 at 10 a.m. PDT. It was always intended to be a weekend feature and I stated as much in a thread last Friday:

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We also look forward to featuring more YouTube content from other members of the community in the near future. :)

Edit: To be honest I don't really understand the point you're trying to make.

If I wear a funny hat and speak in an exaggerated accent while streaming WoW will you feature me?

Not based solely on that premise. :)
05/05/2015 08:36 PMPosted by Zarhym
05/05/2015 08:19 PMPosted by Sebac
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Answer this:
"If Bajheera had promoted his YouTube / Twitch channel in trade chat, it would be a violation of Blizzard's ToU agreement. His launcher video was a self-promoting ad. He couldn't have done in trade chat what he did in the launcher video. None of my detractors have been able to refute this point. "

We decide what is shown on the launcher and Bajheera agreed to let us feature a video from him. It isn't very complicated.


Zarphym, I personally wouldnt worry about it. They are just jealous that they arent getting the spotlight and trying everything they can think of to lash out about it. It isnt an ad, its a community spotlight feature which I think is good for the game and good for the streamer. I look forward to seeing more in the future. Dont let people like the OP and all his followers get to you guys.
05/05/2015 08:12 PMPosted by Zarhym
Edit: To be honest I don't really understand the point you're trying to make.


honest opinion - blizzard should spend less time focusing on amateur digital marketing tactics, and more time focused on how to fix the game and retain or recapture the millions of former subscribers. Because amateur sales tactics aggravate your existing players.

I think that was the point he was trying to make.
05/05/2015 08:12 PMPosted by Zarhym
Edit: To be honest I don't really understand the point you're trying to make.


Probably because there is not one to be made that makes any sense.
05/05/2015 08:19 PMPosted by Sebac
05/05/2015 08:12 PMPosted by Zarhym


Edit: To be honest I don't really understand the point you're trying to make.


Answer this:
"If Bajheera had promoted his YouTube / Twitch channel in trade chat, it would be a violation of Blizzard's ToU agreement. His launcher video was a self-promoting ad. He couldn't have done in trade chat what he did in the launcher video. None of my detractors have been able to refute this point. "


Blizzard asked him to do the spotlight because he was voted number 1 streamer. So it would not make any sense if he did not talk about his stream or Twitch channel. Did you want him to talk about Global warming, the slow erosion of the American Middle class, or how for less than 30g a day you can buy a Night Elf in Goldshire to keep you company in your Garrison?

As for refuting your point it is asinine because one case is something that Blizzard invited a player to do and the other is non-sanctioned promotion. It is like someone giving you the keys to their car vs you just taking some car keys you found.
Too much forum PvP poisons any sincere feedback that might have existed on this "issue".
Zarhym, had the idea of a random player interview ever been bounced around?

One older game I played used to have a "player meet and greet", sort of , with a brief interview and a chat why they play, what they find fun etc....streamers are fun of course, maybe pick a player randomly from a raid guild or raid team and just do a quick five minute profile?

"Greetings from Stormwind" or some such?

I mention this because one of the biggest eye openers was back at the Aussie server announcement, some of the venue staff had their preconceptions "challenged" and remarked to me that he was amazed at the diverse nature of WOW players "They arent what I was expecting to see"

I just smiled and replied "All walks of life in one package".

Gamers have this "image issue" with people who dont game, and it's kinda fun to put names and faces to online nicknames.

What say you?
05/05/2015 08:19 PMPosted by Sebac
05/05/2015 08:12 PMPosted by Zarhym


Edit: To be honest I don't really understand the point you're trying to make.


Answer this:
"If Bajheera had promoted his YouTube / Twitch channel in trade chat, it would be a violation of Blizzard's ToU agreement. His launcher video was a self-promoting ad. He couldn't have done in trade chat what he did in the launcher video. None of my detractors have been able to refute this point. "


The answer is this. He didn't, so your point is moot as well as idiotic.
05/05/2015 08:40 PMPosted by Truculentt
05/05/2015 08:12 PMPosted by Zarhym
Edit: To be honest I don't really understand the point you're trying to make.


honest opinion - blizzard should spend less time focusing on amateur digital marketing tactics, and more time focused on how to fix the game and retain or recapture the millions of former subscribers. Because amateur sales tactics aggravate your existing players.

I think that was the point he was trying to make.


I think you're giving the OP WAY too much credit at making a subtle point.
Answer this:
"If Bajheera had promoted his YouTube / Twitch channel in trade chat, it would be a violation of Blizzard's ToU agreement. His launcher video was a self-promoting ad. He couldn't have done in trade chat what he did in the launcher video. None of my detractors have been able to refute this point. "


If you can not discern the distinction between promoting your stream as spam in trade and your stream being highlighted by Blizzard after it won the vote from the community

No one will be able to explain it to you.
05/05/2015 08:40 PMPosted by Truculentt
05/05/2015 08:12 PMPosted by Zarhym
Edit: To be honest I don't really understand the point you're trying to make.


honest opinion - blizzard should spend less time focusing on amateur digital marketing tactics, and more time focused on how to fix the game and retain or recapture the millions of former subscribers. Because amateur sales tactics aggravate your existing players.

I think that was the point he was trying to make.

It wasn't a sales tactic, so I don't know where you're going with that. It should also be noted that the PR, Marketing, and CM teams aren't game design teams. Of course a portion of my time at work will be focused on identifying key members of the community and determining how we can better feature the WoW-related content they're creating -- an activity that requires no game development resources.
It's my honest belief that this is just a reaction to something new. It's good for a community to develop on sites like twitch and YouTube for blizz, so naturally Blizz wants to promote them. If it was a paid ad for Kraft Mac and Cheese, then the argument would make sense. But a promotion?

I honestly never liked the art features or things like "forging gorehowl" but it has absolutely no impact on me and I understand why it's done. Complaining for the sake of complaining is so much worse than anything blizz did here.

Edit: what he said ^^ and please get me into next beta. Only been waiting a decade.
Well, I wasn't terribly interested in the previous video, but I really hope Blizzard continues to engage the WoW Community in such a way. Very easy to ignore it if you have no interest.
05/05/2015 08:19 PMPosted by Sebac
"If Bajheera had promoted his YouTube / Twitch channel in trade chat, it would be a violation of Blizzard's ToU agreement. His launcher video was a self-promoting ad. He couldn't have done in trade chat what he did in the launcher video. None of my detractors have been able to refute this point. "

Nobody has been able to refute your point because your point is nonsensical. You're comparing two very different situations and acting as if they are equivalent.
I still do not understand why there is so much hatred over one little advertisement.

I mean, I'm pretty sure it's nothing new for companies to do this, I think Smite even had the ability in game to watch someone stream Smite (Which was kinda weird, you could of just went to Twitch, but still).
05/05/2015 08:55 PMPosted by Jesterjoe
I still do not understand why there is so much hatred over one little advertisement.


It was not even an add. It was a spotlight.
05/05/2015 08:44 PMPosted by Aehl
Zarhym, had the idea of a random player interview ever been bounced around?

One older game I played used to have a "player meet and greet", sort of , with a brief interview and a chat why they play, what they find fun etc....streamers are fun of course, maybe pick a player randomly from a raid guild or raid team and just do a quick five minute profile?

"Greetings from Stormwind" or some such?

I mention this because one of the biggest eye openers was back at the Aussie server announcement, some of the venue staff had their preconceptions "challenged" and remarked to me that he was amazed at the diverse nature of WOW players "They arent what I was expecting to see"

I just smiled and replied "All walks of life in one package".

Gamers have this "image issue" with people who dont game, and it's kinda fun to put names and faces to online nicknames.

What say you?

That's something we can certainly discuss. Thanks for the input! :)

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