Watcher says no flying in WoW's future. V

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Previous capped threads : http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17597939626

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17605701224?page=1

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17605631527?page=1

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17605632090

http://www.polygon.com/2015/5/22/8645293/world-of-warcraft-no-flying-tanaan-jungle-warlords-of-draenor-mmo-pc-blizzard

Polygon recently did an interview with Ion Hazzikostas. One notable segment was that flying will probably not be in any new zones or expansions:
When Warlords of Draenor first hit, some fans were surprised to discover that even upon reaching the new level cap of 100, they couldn't fly with their air-based mounts in the new zones. Initially Blizzard expected to patch in flying at some point, but now it has changed its mind.

"Having looked at how flying has played out in the old world in the last couple of expansions, we realized that while we were doing it out of this ingrained habit after we introduced flying in The Burning Crusade, it actually detracted from gameplay in a whole lot of ways," Hazzikostas explains. "While there was certainly convenience in being able to completely explore the world in three dimensions, that also came at the expense of gameplay like targeted exploration, like trying to figure out what's in that cave on top of a hill and how do I get up there."

For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return.
Leonardo da Vinci

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17597939626#5
Thanks for creating a thread on this. As you noted, lead designer Ion Hazzikostas mentioned in a recent interview with Polygon that we’ve decided not to allow the use of flying mounts on Draenor. There’s been a lot of debate about the pros and cons of flying over the course of this expansion—not just in the community, but in the hallways, offices, and break rooms at Blizzard—and we know it’s something everyone feels passionately about.

During Patch 6.2’s development, we continued to discuss how flight would fundamentally change the way players experience all of Draenor’s ground-based content, and carefully weighed that against the benefits flying would bring to the game. Ultimately, after much deliberation, we came to the conclusion that the world of Draenor would simply no longer provide the experience we envisioned it if we were to reintroduce flight in this expansion.

We appreciate everyone who has taken the time to weigh in on this topic. You’ve provided some great insight and feedback, and we ask that you please be respectful of one another as you continue to discuss your thoughts and experiences.

You can read the original quote in Ion’s interview with Polygon here.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17605632090?page=17#331
Thanks everyone for your continued feedback and discussion on the topic. The development team is actively reading it and discussing it, and will certainly continue to in the days ahead. We’re all as passionate about working on WoW as we are playing it, and we're dedicated to making it a great experience. As always, we'll let you know if we have any further information to share.

Remember to keep it civil and to stay on topic.

Proof draenor IS FLIGHT CAPABLE! : http://imgur.com/a/HEEEs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW1r8XQRjdE

EDIT: Forgot to add latest reply from Bashiok.
Was just about to do this. Good on ya.
Posting from previous thread.

Flying needs to be introduced in Draenor and all future zones. Finding and then ganking and camping low level Alliance that are questing is hell without flight. We need it back!

I don't just want to gank in Redridge forever! I'd LOVE to gank in Draenor more often, but without flight... It's just too annoying.

#WeWon'tStopUntilWeCanGankEfficientlyInCurrentContent

#FireWatcherAndHireTriplex
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Round V *DING*
This is information that should have come out prior to WoD release.

Business/political tactics( OH look Friday afternoon long weekend to release this info) seem to be Acti-blizz modus operandi these days rather than good game design.

Ah well no biggie, I like many will vote with my wallet.

edit: copied from my post in a previous thread
05/27/2015 01:38 PMPosted by Felryx
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You mean like CRZ Outrage.
How this has been handled has been really insulting to me (and probably many others) to the point that I'm very nearly ready to start boycotting all Blizzard and Activision products from now on. WoD is very likely the last WoW expansion I'll ever play because of this.

No flying and especially being deceitful isn't maximizing profits, Activision/Blizzard, it's costing you customers. Good job.
This isn't rocket science Blizzard, just bring back flying, it's truly THAT simple.
Why do you guys keep on posting these useless threads. Blizzard already said there will be no flying. Nothing will change their minds unless every player spams " Please add flying back " in warspear and stormshield like they did with the swifty ban.


Didn't you read what they said in the last thread?
05/27/2015 01:38 PMPosted by Felryx
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I still have that bookmarked, in the Google Docs version, as they deleted them.
What if there were just more places to land? 5 times, 10 times, etc. Could there be enough that both flight and controlled content consumption could be satisfied? What if there were a ton of places to land and they took you much closer to content?


No! This is even more awful and immersion breaking. I miss having 2 major hubs that were akin to a town.

When I go around to BC and Wrath and Vanilla and I land, there's always a ton of stuff and NPCs at each FP. Its like an entire camp site, half the time theres a forge, campfires, tents. Everything a traveler would need. As time goes on, FPs are nothing more than travel. Lone NPCs with no beds, and all I can think is "You're here for the sake of being here. If you needed something you'd be screwed".
Why do you guys keep on posting these useless threads. Blizzard already said there will be no flying. Nothing will change their minds unless lots of players spam " Please add flying back " in warspear and stormshield like they did with the swifty ban.


Why do you guys keep on posting these useless posts. Blizzard said there will be no flying but now that they've seen the reaction it solicited, they're listening to our feedback. Nothing will change their minds unless lots of players post in these threads their feelings and reactions to this terrible decision or their own subscription cancellations.
I'll never get why flying being allowed in obsolete content (like Draenor minus tanaan will be) is a bad thing. I've got many treasures, got my toys, camped the 4-5 truly rare rares, can I have flying back now?
Why do you guys keep on posting these useless threads. Blizzard already said there will be no flying. Nothing will change their minds unless lots of players spam " Please add flying back " in warspear and stormshield like they did with the swifty ban.


Had the community not united to help Swifty ( who did a video) to inform the community what happened, he would most likely still be band permanently. However the community supported him and Swifty was reinstated.

So applying your own logic - Blizzard had already made their decision to ban Swifty when he crashed the server- why didn't the community just accept Blizzard's decision?
I wonder if this will be up there with the Engineering or RealID threads lol
05/27/2015 01:38 PMPosted by Triplex
#FireWatcherAndHireTriplex


Why fire watcher? If anything the guy still makes great raids. I'd say demote, and bring back Rob pardo who was a original game designer, and founding farther of World of Warcraft.

Then again, I doubt alot of players would like what honestly needs to be done about the game.
05/27/2015 01:44 PMPosted by Ravensword
Why do you guys keep on posting these useless threads. Blizzard already said there will be no flying. Nothing will change their minds unless lots of players spam " Please add flying back " in warspear and stormshield like they did with the swifty ban.


Why do you guys keep on posting these useless posts. Blizzard said there will be no flying but now that they've seen the reaction it solicited, they're listening to our feedback. Nothing will change their minds unless lots of players post in these threads their feelings and reactions to this terrible decision or their own subscription cancellations.


There are lots of people who hate flying.

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