Mop Destro warlocks vs WoD/Legion

General Discussion
This thread is not about damage, dps, ability to farm, viability to raid or pvp, it is just about visual graphics animations and specifically the green fire and how it interacts with our spell, specially for destruction warlocks. I making this thread also to ask for the support of the community for making this a better game.

First, i want you all to check these 2 videos about the animations with green fire back in MoP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGUEv1qKW_Y
(starts at 1:04)
(take a loot at old Chaos bolt animation, way better than today)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_y-dWqxM5M
(incinerates starts at 4:26)
(chaos bolt at 4:38)

and not take a look at this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHFMEYxBaMM

it is amazing how a single change in the graphics can ruin the fun for a player. Like i said on a post before, old incinerate was seen as a spell cast to burn our enemies alive, now i just felt like a bolt of fel, the spell is so boring to cast. I would pay $30 on my suscription just to have access to change the cosmectic of the spell and change it to how it was before WoD. Also, the fel glow, why to they need to remove it? it was part of the DEstro warlock "fantasy", nothing could describe this new term introduced by blizzard for Legion more than the fel glow, which is all about fel energies coming fron the warlock soul.

Also, Demo totally lost all the interaction that the spec had with green fire. As you could see in the video, demonology warlocks were incredible, with the green fire effects, Now they are just a shade in the past.

i want you all to look at this amazing thread talking about something deeper about the changes with warlocks.

http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20748505218

Now, lets talk about the gameplay shall we.

MoP Destruction Warlock was the "Peak" from a desing point of view. The class felt so good playing it and, while i understand some nerfs were needed (because we were actually poweful un pve), this doesn't justified the change that had been made in WoD and Legion.

The class feel like a Dot spec now (our mayor dmg source is Inmolate with Roaring Blaze), the feeling of Destroying you enemies is gone. Chaos Bolt doesn't hit hard, Incinerate is week, and our only Cd is a Demon that dont do anything special (i will pay also to change that demon for Dark Soul. Summoning demons is not our "fantasy").

Graphics and desing: I mean, the gameplay feels boring, like somebody said in another thread before, there are some Graphic errors if you have the green fire. In the other hand, im ok for the returning of soul shards, but with this desing, i have to conflagerate 2 times now in orden to start Chaos bolting. In another had, why our Dps CD cost a shard (Summoning that demon)? if you take Demonic Service as a talent, you get another demon to summon, but it also cost another shard leave you with CERO shars to spent on CHaos bolt for busting lol. And dont make start with the AoE, the desing in MoP was perfect, Idk why they changed it. Too poweful? nerf the Damage not the fun. I dont know if a lot of ppl are going to agreed with me, but i must emphasize this point and i will not get tired of repeating it, the new incinerate model is not fun, since BC i was in love of the incinerate Graphic model, the model introduced in WoD, it looks like a fel Bolt of something.

Mastery? BLIZZARD MAKE VERSATILITY (a stat attractive to pvp) an even better stat. Is this intented? because it is actually terrible desing for PVE.

PvP: absolutely terrible, it was intented for us to play with ShadowBurn spam and Dimentional rift while trying to get away from others? Is this is the "Destruction" Fantasy?

Lets look at these videos and see what im taking about.

MoP PvP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8VZ9KKkH4Q

Legion PvP desing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1SGEiegC94

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2y0Stw1lOQ
(notice that Chaos Bolt isnt even in the spell bar)

Nerf the damage, not the fun. You guys made an amazing job with elemental Shamans, Shadow Priest, Unholy DKs, Fire mages. Destro Locks didnt need it the changes in gameplay or graphics.

I invoke you as part of the community to support us in this crusade to make the fun back to this class. This is not about Warlocks fans, this is about an entire game.

Support this Thread too, keep the hope alive
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20747964966?page=1
It was fun best version ever.
I'm not looking at any videos but they aren't needed, MoP destruction was infinitely better than the current gutted version, we'll get some of it back with max artifact weapons and PvP abilities but it feels like i had $100 and $90 was taken away from me with the ability to earn back $50 of the original $100 if im willing to do the work lol

I guess i see the need for some pruning to cut back on bloat but there is a huge difference between trimming the fat and outright amputation.
Playing MoP as a lock felt like I was a god walking amonst mere humans. Life was just so good. I fully understand why they had to change somethings.

I do agree that they took it way too far, it doesn't even feel like the same class anymore when specced as destro.
Destro is so pathetic now its just depressing

The only good things since MoP were Cataclysm and Channel Doomfire, both of which are drowned out by every other awful change to the spec.
08/14/2016 04:00 PMPosted by Virus
I'm not looking at any videos but they aren't needed, MoP destruction was infinitely better than the current gutted version, we'll get some of it back with max artifact weapons and PvP abilities but it feels like i had $100 and $90 was taken away from me with the ability to earn back $50 of the original $100 if im willing to do the work lol

I guess i see the need for some pruning to cut back on bloat but there is a huge difference between trimming the fat and outright amputation.


couldn't agree more. They just totally ruined it.
Us warlocks are always longing for a time long gone, and blizzard always responds "Hmmm your favorite was Wotlk Affliction, MoP Destro? OK well lets try something else instead".
Lets keep this alive, they are responding to threads about "Rate your Transmog above you".

This deserve attention too.
Linky link!
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20747964966?page=1

it astounds me how many of these threads have been created, and not a single blue reply to them.
08/14/2016 04:17 PMPosted by Greenegg
Linky link!
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20747964966?page=1

it astounds me how many of these threads have been created, and not a single blue reply to them.

That would admit fault on the part of the class dev in charge of warlocks. Can't have that now.

(FYI, it's the Rogue class dev so make of that what you will)
My main was a warlock during MoP, but i was really noob and didn't knew how to PvP or PvE.
I missed so much fun...
08/14/2016 04:34 PMPosted by Syrelth
My main was a warlock during MoP, but i was really noob and didn't knew how to PvP or PvE.
I missed so much fun...


you missed a lot bro. It was really good. They need it nerfs, but the gameplay was perfect.
I could not agree more. I want MoP Destruction back.
08/14/2016 04:44 PMPosted by Aurigha
08/14/2016 04:34 PMPosted by Syrelth
My main was a warlock during MoP, but i was really noob and didn't knew how to PvP or PvE.
I missed so much fun...


you missed a lot bro. It was really good. They need it nerfs, but the gameplay was perfect.


Apparently they would much rather throw the entire gameplay style out the window than work on balancing numbers and such.
Look at this animations, looks way ahead than Legion vesion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU3WX6U-qtw
Let's also add in the fact that the Soul Shard resource bar is an absolute embarrassment from an aesthetic point of view. It's hot garbage that a first year graphic design student would be ashamed to turn in for a project.

08/14/2016 04:03 PMPosted by Menacet
Playing MoP as a lock felt like I was a god walking amonst mere humans. Life was just so good. I fully understand why they had to change somethings.

I do agree that they took it way too far, it doesn't even feel like the same class anymore when specced as destro.


None of the multiple threads about this are focusing on the damage or rotation (for the most part). These are purely visual and aesthetic complaints, and the reason they resonate so much is because EVERY other class has received COUNTLESS improvements in this area.
A downward spiral for sure.

Good videos demonstrating the changes to chaos bolt and casting animations.
Couldn't agree more. Warlock was my main in MoP.

Everything was so good. Just so good. I actually spent a lot of time during S15 playing other classes because q'ing as Destro was just too easy.

Obviously this is where I'll point out that they were OP. Numbers were just tuned a little too strongly. But mechanically, probably the most sound design and complete the spec has ever looked and felt.

Removing embers and the associated effect is a travesty. Man did I love logging onto MoP during launch week to find my warlock literally engulfing in flames like a hellish demon.

I always felt like I had the tools to win a match or duel if I used them right. use them poorly, I died. (once again, certain things were OP. healthstone glyph + dark regen was a solid 75% of your health, too much)

Destro wasn't invincible, though. Good players of other classes could beat us if they played better. Cobrak put 1v1's in his videos and showed other classes performing better and beating him, justifiably.

I'd prefer to see Aff return to, like, WoTLk era. I loved Haunt as a quasi-CS window, and it returns to you healing you for a % of the damage done. That's really cool.

I actually can't believe i'm saying this non-hyperbolically, but literally everything about Warlock design in Legion is a step backwards from previous iterations.
i hate what they have done, the class feels so weak and under powered now. I use to be in the top of dps now i am struggling to stay there. Thanks for nothing blizz you sure know how to kill your own classes.

Giving burning embers to mages was wrong. The short time I was able to play in MoP before drainoland came out the class was great i really loved my Destro. now I just want to give up and I don't see any changes coming.

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