If demons only die in the Twisting Nether...

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08/25/2016 11:21 PMPosted by Zawszee
So lemme get this straight the Night Elves have to sacrificed their immortality to kill the body of Archie in wc3 while you know it took 40 of us max in HFC to wipe Archie? Dam we are either super OP or the NE and Malfurion failed hard......


Well, in HFC there was also Khadgar, Grommash and Yrel, plus an army of Draenei Vindicators and Frostwolf Clan Orcs who weren't shown in the game. (they're in the cutscene though).
08/25/2016 11:21 PMPosted by Zawszee
So lemme get this straight the Night Elves have to sacrificed their immortality to kill the body of Archie in wc3 while you know it took 40 of us max in HFC to wipe Archie? Dam we are either super OP or the NE and Malfurion failed hard......


He wasn't sucking the life out of the World Tree gaining untold power when he was on Draenor. <.<
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on Mythic, he drags the raid into the nether, and we kill him there. he's 100% dead now.


Yet when he dies he dies back on Draenor. Also Draenor takes place before Hyjal, so we kill him on Draenor, he reforms and then he dies again on Hyjal. So he's either still reforming in the neather or he's ready to come back to Azeroth and fight us again for round #3.
According to the cinematic Archy doesn't die in the twisting nether, therefore he will be back.
08/25/2016 11:23 PMPosted by Pouncey
08/25/2016 11:21 PMPosted by Zawszee
So lemme get this straight the Night Elves have to sacrificed their immortality to kill the body of Archie in wc3 while you know it took 40 of us max in HFC to wipe Archie? Dam we are either super OP or the NE and Malfurion failed hard......


Well, in HFC there was also Khadgar, Grommash and Yrel, plus an army of Draenei Vindicators and Frostwolf Clan Orcs who weren't shown in the game. (they're in the cutscene though).


Well there were Thrall Jaina the entire Horde and Human force with all the NE force back in wc3 too
08/25/2016 11:25 PMPosted by Keibrina
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on Mythic, he drags the raid into the nether, and we kill him there. he's 100% dead now.


Yet when he dies he dies back on Draenor. Also Draenor takes place before Hyjal, so we kill him on Draenor, he reforms and then he dies again on Hyjal. So he's either still reforming in the neather or he's ready to come back to Azeroth and fight us again for round #3.


Delicious time travel.
08/25/2016 11:28 PMPosted by Petersen
Delicious time travel.
You mixed up the words Delicious and Delirious, it's ok it happens.
08/25/2016 10:36 PMPosted by Diesa
08/25/2016 10:34 PMPosted by Tìtanium
Unless anything happened to Archimonde's soul in Hellfire Citadel, he will be sitting in the Twisting Nether right about now.


on Mythic, he drags the raid into the nether, and we kill him there. he's 100% dead now.


Wel that was silly of him
08/25/2016 11:27 PMPosted by Zawszee
Well there were Thrall Jaina the entire Horde and Human force with all the NE force back in wc3 too


Yeah but Archimonde had a huge demon force on his own and time to gather power on Azeroth, on Draenor he didn't quite have as many demon companions nor time to gather power on the planet. As we've seen with summons , demons need time to gain full power where they are transported.
08/25/2016 11:30 PMPosted by Brewsed
08/25/2016 10:36 PMPosted by Diesa
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on Mythic, he drags the raid into the nether, and we kill him there. he's 100% dead now.


Wel that was silly of him


Not at all; much like Ragnaros is more powerful when in the Firelands (his elemental plane of fire), demons are much more powerful in the Twisting Nether.

What was silly was not teleporting back to Draenor at the last moment. Oh wait, he did, because even on Mythic the cinematic shows him dying on Draenor.
So, to clear things up, the Archimonde in Dreanor IS the one that was already defeated at Mt. Hyjal, not a past version of him, or an alternate one.

He is killed in the Mythic version of the encounter within the twisting nether, so he might be dead forever, barring any diablos ex machina.

Now for a real head scratcher... All of Outland was in the twisting nether, and yet some of those demons came back?
08/25/2016 11:43 PMPosted by Supertom
He is killed in the Mythic version of the encounter within the twisting nether, so he might be dead forever, barring any diablos ex machina.


Cinematic disproves that he died in the nether, seems when he actually dies, he is back in draenor. The keyword is the point of death, not where he was defeated.
They've outright stated that the Burning Legion has the power to divide the body and soul from one another. So who is to say that while the powerful commanders and captains and ranks of the sort are on the front line destroying the enemies of the Legion, when they die, their soul isn't pulled to a neutral point (as long as it did not die within the Nether), and is reconstituted? Perhaps that in itself is why the Burning Legion is so amazingly powerful? Because every soldier we face, down to the very weakest up to the absolute strongest, has potentially died a million deaths in their infinite lifetime, and learned from previous mistakes made that lead to their own death?

Praise Gul'Dan.
08/25/2016 11:43 PMPosted by Supertom
So, to clear things up, the Archimonde in Dreanor IS the one that was already defeated at Mt. Hyjal, not a past version of him, or an alternate one.

He is killed in the Mythic version of the encounter within the twisting nether, so he might be dead forever, barring any diablos ex machina.

Now for a real head scratcher... All of Outland was in the twisting nether, and yet some of those demons came back?


And yet, on the mythic version, the cinematic shows him fall on Draenor.

Isn't the Twisting Nether just what we otherwise call "outer space"? So technically all worlds are "in the Twisting Nether".

And since we're getting technical, Outland didn't nearly have enough mass to old an atmosphere (Unless the ground was made of Neutron Star), how did we breath?! Heck, why can species that lived native on Draenor breath Azerothian air?! I mean for the Draenei it makes sense, they would've looked for a planet they could live on, but the orcs just come over here like yeah, we can breath your air, no problem.
08/25/2016 11:43 PMPosted by Supertom
So, to clear things up, the Archimonde in Dreanor IS the one that was already defeated at Mt. Hyjal, not a past version of him, or an alternate one.

He is killed in the Mythic version of the encounter within the twisting nether, so he might be dead forever, barring any diablos ex machina.

Now for a real head scratcher... All of Outland was in the twisting nether, and yet some of those demons came back?


Yes.

He died on Draenor.

No it wasn't, the twisting nether is another region
Ya did they actually state that that mythic one is canon because that's kinda silly locking away a lore thing behind something not all of us would do.
08/26/2016 12:04 AMPosted by Morsultor
Ya did they actually state that that mythic one is canon because that's kinda silly locking away a lore thing behind something not all of us would do.

I believe that they explained a long time ago that mythic uses certain "lore" things to justify the mechanics, so its not always accurate. Since Archimonde isn't killed in the twisting nether for any of the other difficulties chances are it was something that was removed from those difficulties due to "lore" reasons, but remained in the mythic version because of reasons for fight mechanics.

But really no one will ever know. Its just another issue from WoD if Archimonde makes any appearances in Legion.
So here's the thing. If he died in the Twisting Nether, how did he send Gul'Dan to safety?

Archimonde should be in the Twisting Nether mad as hell that he's 0-2 now. And probably being disciplined by Sargeras for being such a miserable failure.
08/26/2016 12:04 AMPosted by Morsultor
Ya did they actually state that that mythic one is canon because that's kinda silly locking away a lore thing behind something not all of us would do.

Well that's everything that ever happens in a raid too. The majority of players never actually raid.
So if a demon regenerates in the Nether, how come they needed to resurrect Mannoroth's remains?

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