Classic Server Update

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10/25/2016 01:02 AMPosted by Muffinz

How is it not a gain in profits? Like... The content is already developed. They have to pay to maintain a couple servers. If a few neckbeards managed to maintain it then it's kind of hard to argue that Blizzard couldn't.


The neckbeards in question bruteforced it to work and it still had issues. Blizzard does have the code and some of it is version controlled. But the server side stuff wasn't part of it. Meaning they'd have to rebuild those parts from scratch to get a vanilla server working to their standards.
10/25/2016 12:42 AMPosted by Bluspacecow
10/25/2016 12:27 AMPosted by Âthiest
Nost was free to play, you honestly think everyone from nost is going to pay for legacy servers?


Technically people were paying for Nost.

They were giving Nost donations to keep their servers running. Just before they got their C & D from Blizzard their servers were all paid up 3 months ahead.


According to some of the people trying to defend Nost, they were going to be closing the servers because they could no longer support the upkeep. There were also people in this very thread saying they weren't taking donations, so which is it?

Either they were, and in the process making money, or they weren't taking donations.

10/25/2016 01:05 AMPosted by Choten
10/25/2016 01:02 AMPosted by Muffinz

How is it not a gain in profits? Like... The content is already developed. They have to pay to maintain a couple servers. If a few neckbeards managed to maintain it then it's kind of hard to argue that Blizzard couldn't.


The neckbeards in question bruteforced it to work and it still had issues. Blizzard does have the code and some of it is version controlled. But the server side stuff wasn't part of it. Meaning they'd have to rebuild those parts from scratch to get a vanilla server working to their standards.


They have the source code. Which isn't the same as having working code. As you said, the code would still need to be rebuilt, which takes time and money.
Before the launch of every new expansion, a content drought has occurred. Its the natural cycle of how these things work. Legion will be the same way sooner but hopefully much much later.

Now imagine when this eventually occurs, u can hit the change realm button and play a completely different version on the game. Where i can take a few months to hit cap, A month to get raid ready, then progressing through MC, BWL, ONY, AQ 20/40 Naxx. I played classic wow almost every day and never even set foot in Naxx (only 2% of players did) . There is three years of content here.
10/25/2016 01:05 AMPosted by Choten
10/25/2016 01:02 AMPosted by Muffinz

How is it not a gain in profits? Like... The content is already developed. They have to pay to maintain a couple servers. If a few neckbeards managed to maintain it then it's kind of hard to argue that Blizzard couldn't.


The neckbeards in question bruteforced it to work and it still had issues. Blizzard does have the code and some of it is version controlled. But the server side stuff wasn't part of it. Meaning they'd have to rebuild those parts from scratch to get a vanilla server working to their standards.


We're talking about a company that paid how much to develop and maintain Heroes of the Storm? Lol.
10/25/2016 01:07 AMPosted by Hellasha


They have the source code. Which isn't the same as having working code. As you said, the code would still need to be rebuilt, which takes time and money.


Yeah. A lot of people seem to think it's just a case of loading up vanilla on a server and turning it on. Which isn't the case. If it was, blizzard would just do it and get it over with.
According to some of the people trying to defend Nost, they were going to be closing the servers because they could no longer support the upkeep. There were also people in this very thread saying they weren't taking donations, so which is it?

Either they were, and in the process making money, or they weren't taking donations.

They took donations for the server costs. And people threw money at them.

There was an AQ patch planned...how can a server that can't afford upkeep pump out new content?
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I have no care either way. I am able to play Legacy servers and play Legion for free. Life is good.
Good, I won't miss you that's for sure. It will be the last I'll ever see you on these forums. Farewell pirate.
10/24/2016 03:00 PMPosted by Ornyx
Hey everyone,

We’ve seen some talk among the community that you might be expecting to hear some news on legacy servers at BlizzCon, and we just wanted to take a moment to let you know that while we’re still discussing the possibility, we won’t have any updates to share on that until after the show.

These past few months we’ve been laser-focused on the launch of Legion and getting Patch 7.1: Return to Karazhan ready to go (it’s almost here!), as well as prepping for BlizzCon—which is always a huge undertaking itself. You’ve heard us say that the launch of Legion was just the beginning of the story we want to tell in this expansion. What we will focus on at BlizzCon is how the team is committed to making sure we bring you a steady stream of content going forward, and we can’t wait to share what’s next for Legion.

Thanks for your patience, and we’ll see you at BlizzCon.

-J. Allen Brack and the World of Warcraft development team


No point having heaps of content if classes are a mess and dull/boring and broken.
10/25/2016 01:10 AMPosted by Choten
10/25/2016 01:07 AMPosted by Hellasha


They have the source code. Which isn't the same as having working code. As you said, the code would still need to be rebuilt, which takes time and money.


Yeah. A lot of people seem to think it's just a case of loading up vanilla on a server and turning it on. Which isn't the case. If it was, blizzard would just do it and get it over with.


Even if it was this simple, I dont see Blizzard just flipping the switch and going poof here you go. They would be splitting the community in a way and if it began to gain traction and pull away from what they think the vision of WoW should be It could cause problems.

I'm also sure Blizzard is not to keen on finding out how many would jump ship to get away from there "Vision" of the new WoW.
10/25/2016 01:14 AMPosted by Naethrorn
10/24/2016 03:00 PMPosted by Ornyx
Hey everyone,

We’ve seen some talk among the community that you might be expecting to hear some news on legacy servers at BlizzCon, and we just wanted to take a moment to let you know that while we’re still discussing the possibility, we won’t have any updates to share on that until after the show.

These past few months we’ve been laser-focused on the launch of Legion and getting Patch 7.1: Return to Karazhan ready to go (it’s almost here!), as well as prepping for BlizzCon—which is always a huge undertaking itself. You’ve heard us say that the launch of Legion was just the beginning of the story we want to tell in this expansion. What we will focus on at BlizzCon is how the team is committed to making sure we bring you a steady stream of content going forward, and we can’t wait to share what’s next for Legion.

Thanks for your patience, and we’ll see you at BlizzCon.

-J. Allen Brack and the World of Warcraft development team


No point having heaps of content if classes are a mess and dull/boring and broken.


No point in content if people keep unsubbing either.
10/25/2016 01:12 AMPosted by Moltres
According to some of the people trying to defend Nost, they were going to be closing the servers because they could no longer support the upkeep. There were also people in this very thread saying they weren't taking donations, so which is it?

Either they were, and in the process making money, or they weren't taking donations.

They took donations for the server costs. And people threw money at them.

There was an AQ patch planned...how can a server that can't afford upkeep pump out new content?


If the servers were going to be closed because costs couldn't be met then obviously they weren't throwing enough money at them. Again this is all from others who have posted on these forums.

It doesn't cost much to pirate work from others.
10/25/2016 01:15 AMPosted by Shavìa
10/25/2016 01:10 AMPosted by Choten
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Yeah. A lot of people seem to think it's just a case of loading up vanilla on a server and turning it on. Which isn't the case. If it was, blizzard would just do it and get it over with.


Even if it was this simple, I dont see Blizzard just flipping the switch and going poof here you go. They would be splitting the community in a way and if it began to gain traction and pull away from what they think the vision of WoW should be It could cause problems.

I'm also sure Blizzard is not to keen on finding out how many would jump ship to get away from there "Vision" of the new WoW.


There is the reason we are even having this conversation. Blizz isn't worried that the legacy servers won't be successful. They're worried that they will be too successful. I think they've said as much over the years.
10/25/2016 01:10 AMPosted by Choten
10/25/2016 01:07 AMPosted by Hellasha


They have the source code. Which isn't the same as having working code. As you said, the code would still need to be rebuilt, which takes time and money.


Yeah. A lot of people seem to think it's just a case of loading up vanilla on a server and turning it on. Which isn't the case. If it was, blizzard would just do it and get it over with.


The fact that they've had to rebuild Old Hillsbrad several times should be enough proof that whatever code they do have is either incomplete or not compatible. If it were, they wouldn't have had to rehired the designer for both rebuilds.
10/25/2016 01:19 AMPosted by Hellasha
If the servers were going to be closed because costs couldn't be met then obviously they weren't throwing enough money at them. Again this is all from others who have posted on these forums.

And there's your problem. People on this forum will take a rumor and run with it. No, Nost was not going to close because of financial issues. They had plans to add more content onto the server. This is all well known information.
10/25/2016 01:21 AMPosted by Hellasha
10/25/2016 01:10 AMPosted by Choten
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Yeah. A lot of people seem to think it's just a case of loading up vanilla on a server and turning it on. Which isn't the case. If it was, blizzard would just do it and get it over with.


The fact that they've had to rebuild Old Hillsbrad several times should be enough proof that whatever code they do have is either incomplete or not compatible. If it were, they wouldn't have had to rehired the designer for both rebuilds.


They've already stated that isn't the case.
10/25/2016 01:20 AMPosted by Muffinz
10/25/2016 01:15 AMPosted by Shavìa
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Even if it was this simple, I dont see Blizzard just flipping the switch and going poof here you go. They would be splitting the community in a way and if it began to gain traction and pull away from what they think the vision of WoW should be It could cause problems.

I'm also sure Blizzard is not to keen on finding out how many would jump ship to get away from there "Vision" of the new WoW.


There is the reason we are even having this conversation. Blizz isn't worried that the legacy servers won't be successful. They're worried that they will be too successful. I think they've said as much over the years.


Or they're worried about losing money as they've stated more then once. Because their own research has shown the legacy servers of other companies haven't been very profitable.
10/25/2016 01:02 AMPosted by Âthiest
Yeah because 400k would only play wow for legacy servers, be more realistic here.


yeah because people would only play wow for legacy servers

i would play both if i could

not to mention the # of people who aren't playing on it because they're private servers, not authentic blizzard ones

there's a lot of potential to be had and blatantly ignoring it by saying there isn't factual evidence is straw grasping.

what isn't straw grasping however is that nostalrius existed, nostalrius worked, and nostalrius isn't / wasn't the only private server out there

how many ppl would still play on those if blizzard released an authentic one, the right one - their own to play?

a lot of questions to be answered still, and saying no announcement at blizzcon is just souring a playerbase that wants legacy servers and could ultimately be their downfall on this
I for one am going to be super annoyed if Blizzard takes resources away from WoW to gin up some so-called legacy servers for a bunch of whiners who basically have no idea what they want.

WoW 1.0? Check your subscriptions and see how many free days you got back then because the game was unplayable. Massive bugs. Patches that render the game unusable. The endless grind for mats so you could raid. How about the unkillable Paladorks?

And then of course, no new content.

No one is going to play on a "vanilla" server for more than a couple of months, and the vast majority who even bother to login won't do it for more than an hour or two.
10/25/2016 01:21 AMPosted by Hellasha

The fact that they've had to rebuild Old Hillsbrad several times should be enough proof that whatever code they do have is either incomplete or not compatible. If it were, they wouldn't have had to rehired the designer for both rebuilds.


Yeah IIRC. They had to get someone who worked on the original zone and had to look at the CoT instance to remake it for the anniversary event.
10/25/2016 01:02 AMPosted by Muffinz
How is it not a gain in profits? Like... The content is already developed. They have to pay to maintain a couple servers. If a few neckbeards managed to maintain it then it's kind of hard to argue that Blizzard couldn't.


Well the content is already developed...

But it was using a different patching method. Different data file format. Different login system. It also didn't have Authenticators.

Those previous systems could be recreated but the authenticators will need serious work done on the backend to connect vanilla up to battle.net so authenticators can be used.

I doubt Blizzard will go "here's vanilla guys. btw authenticators won't work when you log into to them so good luck being hacked. kk bai!"

Lastly the full Nost team was 40 people plus 1000 bug reporters so no not a small team.

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