Elementals just want dialogue, part 2

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Link to previous capped thread : http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20749777353

Edit: OP of last thread, for ease of reading for a blue, courtesy of Falcinz
Blizzard,

It's no surprise that we are outraged that there are no tuning changes for Elemental coming in 7.1 from what we can see. We have given hundreds of pages of feedback in Alpha, Beta and in the Shaman forums and we have invested 100+ hours into our Artifact weapon. You said that you don't want anyone to feel like they've chosen the wrong spec. Here's your chance to put that statement to the test. We want some communication from your side. We want to know why we haven't received tuning in 7.1 and your logic behind not adjusting our numbers. Let's have a conversation.

1. There is so much information available to you, what are you seeing that makes you jump to the conclusion that Elemental is completely fine in its current state?

2. What is going on internally where the data is showing that our damage is where it needs to be?

3. Are you using the Stormkeeper change to justify no further buffs or tuning to our damage in 7.1? If so, why? We believe it is a net-zero damage increase.

From the outside, we are decent in Mythic+ dungeons but we are having issues in raids. We bring good AOE and the EQ knockdown is very useful. However, other classes bring the same, if not better, damage in Mythic+ with better survivability. These same classes are also outperforming Elemental in raids. Being viable in Mythic+ should not be a valid reason why Elemental is not receiving buffs in 7.1.

From the outside, the better Elementals are parsing in the 99th percentile for Elemental Shamans but are ending up 8-10th in damage done. To most of us playing your game, this seems a bit unreasonable. If we are parsing in the 99th percentile but that low on damage done, it is indicative of a weakness within the spec. A 50-60 percentile Fire Mage parse should never best a 99 percentile parse of any spec, let alone Elemental. But this is not the case, as we see many sub 80 percentile parses that are beating a 99 percentile parse for Elemental Shaman on most fights in EN.

For example: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HfdFDXLv7kZTGJrV#fight=9&type=damage-done

4. Are public logging sites such as warcraftlogs something that you incorporate into your balancing processes? Do you take into account the aggregate data that warcraft logs collects? You can clearly see that Elemental is one of your underperforming specs when looking at aggregates across all difficulties. Here are some references that might be generalizing as they are total aggregates but they do outline the problem areas of your spec balance:

Mythic: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/10#dataset=70
Heroic: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/10#dataset=70&difficulty=4

You have given a lot of underperforming specs a bump such as Frost Mage and Frost DK. Elemental is competing with those specs for being underwhelming in terms of damage based on log aggregates taken over the past month. If you believe that Elemental is fine where it is, this means that the specs that were buffed will now outshine Elemental.

Communicate with us. Tell us why you chose to outline many changes for many specs and neglected to change anything meaningful except for Stormkeeper. Tell me why I feel like I chose the wrong spec and my 10 days, 12 hours, 35 minutes and 41 seconds should have been spent playing something else. It is absolutely disheartening to see the spec that I play get zero attention.

I'm not going to go into the good feedback we have given but I will post the two most relevant threads that the Elemental community feels outlines our issues and potential solutions. We don't expect you to implement these but we took the time to write feedback because we care about the spec. Read it, come up with ways tune Elemental and bring us to where we can let our own skill determine our place in the damage hierarchy of our respective raids rather than what spec we chose to play.

http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20748956716
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20749206703
Yay for capping one thread and starting a second! Silence is speaking volumes on this though.
A capped thread and no response. /sad
It's only 10:00am in California. Still plenty of time left in the day to be ignored.
#OldYellerShaman
/ Double Sign.
Thread cap in one day and Blizz neither responds nor extends it. Sums up how Elemental has been treated this expansion, it's honestly insulting. I knew once Ion responded to that question asking about Elemental and Frost specifically, by ONLY talking about Frost, completely ignoring Elemental once again, that Blizz just don't give a damn about this spec. We have to riot to get changes at this point.
./wave Mad dwarf here! Dont make me go melee just to get groups! This xpac is all about MELEEEEEEEE.
10/20/2016 10:10 AMPosted by Manggo
Thread cap in one day and Blizz neither responds nor extends it. Sums up how Elemental has been treated this expansion, it's honestly insulting. I knew once Ion responded to that question asking about Elemental and Frost specifically, by ONLY talking about Frost, completely ignoring Elemental once again, that Blizz just don't give a damn about this spec. We have to riot to get changes at this point.


Which I don't understand because honestly (in my opinion ofcourse) elemental is thematically the coolest and most interesting caster spec.
let's keep it going!
Thread cap with no blue.......
Just how often does that happen.
Lets draw characters-------response
3 word complaint----------response
Heartfelt plea foe ele help------------?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????question marks indicate time???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I mean I don't want to resort to it but maybe we're going about this wrong? Blizzard, should we be acting like children? What do you want?
Thank you posting pt2, let's keep the discussion going. We would like to know what your logic is behind your choices to not give us any tuning for 7.1. Don't say that you don't want anyone to feel like they chose the wrong spec and then expect people to be happy playing an underperforming spec. Especially when we see other underperforming specs get multiple changes.
#forgottenshaman
*is in the Stormwind auction house, suddenly gets a /w from a random monk saying "I feel your pain, I used to main an Ele"*
10/20/2016 10:15 AMPosted by Falcinz
Thank you posting pt2, let's keep the discussion going. We would like to know what your logic is behind your choices to not give us any tuning for 7.1. Don't say that you don't want anyone to feel like they chose the wrong spec and then expect people to be happy playing an underperforming spec. Especially when we see other underperforming specs get multiple changes.


I mean, Falc continues to hit the nail right on the proverbial head here. You certainly have the ability to put Elemental in position to at least be competitive with it's Melee counterpart in Enhancement, or at the very least competitive with the rest of DPS specs in the game at this moment. What could your reasoning possibly be to not bring us up to that level?

At this point, there has to be something you're not sharing with us, the last remnants of a now dying playerbase in Elemental.
Please respond. At this point it's like a person who broke up with you by just ignoring your calls and messages.
10/20/2016 10:23 AMPosted by Applefriter
Please respond. At this point it's like a person who broke up with you by just ignoring your calls and messages.


We are being ghosted.
Hey guys! We know that Elemental shamans are having a rough time lately, so we here at Blizzard have some fantastic news!

Coming in 7.2, Shamans will proudly join Demon Hunters as the 2nd class in the history of World of Warcraft to have 2 specializations! We have heard your feedback and agree that Elemental is at a bad place. Here is our visionary solution! We will break down the spec and redistribute its elements to focus on Restoration and Enhancement. We believe that the shaman class fantasy has become diluted over the years and this move will bring you closer to the true class fantasy you deserve.

As always we hope you are enjoying your game and we here at Blizzard EVIL, hum I mean Blizzard Entertainment appreciate your business!
Hey we can read about 7.1 pet stuff on mmo, seems pets in raids are as close as we are going to to current raiding as ele in 7.1.

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