Why is there loot entitlement in pugs?

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i don't feel entitled for gear, but i'm not above asking for it if it is actually an ilvl. and yes, i understand they are your drops, but i really hate enchanters that will immediately DE something without at least asking first if anyone else needs it.

i was actually in LFR the other day on an alt and something dropped for some mythic raider that was in there for whatever reason (i assume runes or something) and he gets a titanforged 870 item and everyone was polite (at least everyone who asked in raid chat, dunno bout whispers) but he just DEs it right there with just a "lel i need the shard". because apparently a mythic raider has to resort to running LFR to get enchanting shards >.>
11/06/2016 12:37 PMPosted by Arcalic
I would absolutely kick you if told me you were going to vendor an item instead of help someone out. Wouldn't even think twice about it


It's people like you that keep me out of mythic dungeons. But.. now that I know that my loot will come in the mail if I don't loot the boss.... No one will ever know what MY loot is.
11/06/2016 01:25 PMPosted by Vìktor
11/06/2016 10:40 AMPosted by Hunterp
[1] pays for my repair bill [2] adds a transmog to my library [3] could still be an upgrade based on secondary stats.


1. trash excuse
2. Trash excuse
3. Valid excuse, and you could have easily used that one.


4. Doesn't need a excuse to not give away loot that they won because you don't like the reason.
Just say it won't let you trade it, works for me and people stop asking. If they kick you, then whatever, life goes on :P
The do not loot strategy seems to be wonky, at least for me.

In mythic+0 Maw of Souls, I've had it happen where someone blew the horn after the first boss before I could loot him. Then I don't get anything in the mail.

In mythic+'s, a couple of times I've forgotten to loot one of the chests at the end and also didn't get anything in the mail.

The Sticky Volatile Substance grays that vendor for like 25 silver that drops off of trash mobs, I get those in the mail every time, lol.

I'm guessing this is because gold and AP tokens not looted are not mailed to you, but only actual item drops? So I suppose if you don't care about missing out on those and only care about actual items then you can try the no-loot strategy.
Most of these people asking for stuff are people alt's, looking for handouts. Especially in LFR. I just simply tell them, I'm keeping it.

However if we are all the same ilvl or close and something does drop that would be an upgrade, I tell them "Let's see what else drop's, at the end of the raid or dungeon we can re start the conversation"
11/07/2016 07:45 AMPosted by Gald

4. Doesn't need a excuse to not give away loot that they won because you don't like the reason.


When you "win" (RNG chose you) an item you don't need. Giving it to someone that does is simply what a normal, decent person would do. It's worth so much more to them than it is to you.

You can make someone happy by giving them an upgrade, or vendor it for 30g. If you choose vendor, you clearly never learned to share as a child.
11/06/2016 10:49 AMPosted by Snowfox
I think part of it is because people don't realize you'll do better asking someone nicely for loot than rudely demanding they hand it over.


In THIS game? There are more rude, unpleasant people per-capita in this game than I can ever recall seeing anywhere, and I have played a LOT of games.
11/07/2016 08:12 AMPosted by Tadamon
11/07/2016 07:45 AMPosted by Gald

4. Doesn't need a excuse to not give away loot that they won because you don't like the reason.


When you "win" (RNG chose you) an item you don't need. Giving it to someone that does is simply what a normal, decent person would do. It's worth so much more to them than it is to you.

You can make someone happy by giving them an upgrade, or vendor it for 30g. If you choose vendor, you clearly never learned to share as a child.


There is a difference though demanding and begging for it and giving it to someone who deserves it.
11/07/2016 06:35 AMPosted by Vendrak
I'm a little amazed how getting 20-40 gold seems like good enough reason to so many people to avoid being nice and giving someone an upgrade.


Skimming the thread, it should be obvious that this has nothing to do with 20-40 gold. Instead, its about a players expecting that they are entitled to loot that another player received.

I have the same reaction. Its all about the expectation.

If i get a drop I can't use, i'll offer it up. In the same situation, if someone pre-empts that with an addon and then demands the gear or else, I very quickly go into f-off mode.
Its a stupid addon. I like transmog. Why should I hand over a piece of gear someone will replace with minimal effort? The gold is nice too
11/07/2016 08:12 AMPosted by Tadamon
11/07/2016 07:45 AMPosted by Gald

4. Doesn't need a excuse to not give away loot that they won because you don't like the reason.


When you "win" (RNG chose you) an item you don't need. Giving it to someone that does is simply what a normal, decent person would do. It's worth so much more to them than it is to you.

You can make someone happy by giving them an upgrade, or vendor it for 30g. If you choose vendor, you clearly never learned to share as a child.


This would fall under the "reason" part. Keep trying to spin it whatever way you want, as soon as the loot hits their bags its 100% up to them to do whatever they see fit with it. Trying to guilt-trip people into giving you a virtual item by comparing it to real world morals is pretty hysterical.
Tbh. I think it promotes a better culture in game if you give up stuff you dont need.

If you join a group that is compitent enough to get you through the content. (Idc how good YOU are its still a team effort. A bad player or 2 and thr group will fall apart)

And after that time investment, where you benefitted by completing the dungeon and getting a shot at loot you need, stiffing the people that helped is kind of inviting bad juju on yourself. Treat others as you would want to be i guess?

If ive been farming a dungeon for a new trinket. I grabbed my guildies and let you come along for a +9 or w.e and the trinket i need drops for you and you tell me youre going to vendor it instead of letting me have it cuz 30 gold is better than being a decent person..... yeah ur probably not going to be advancing into the +10 with my group. Just sayin.

Reap what you sew. If you arent a team player, dont be surprised when you get kicked off the team.
It's strange how just being a decent person is such a hard concept for so many "gamers". I guess I shouldn't be shocked since "gamers" let a hate campaign like gamergate proliferate.

I mean, what kind of a person cares more about 25 gold than helping a fellow player?
how many of the socialists here have actually given a complete stranger 25gold just cause they asked you for it? if you dont do charity, why do you expect other ppl to?

i don't know which is worse, entitlement or hypocrisy
I really do dislike that addon, and had a guildie complain about being kicked over it last week. Woulda been nice to grab proof, just because of that angry post I saw on the first page...

But hey, who remembers those few hours in WoD when they changed it back to group loot in LFG content? It wasn't fun. People went right back to the toxic gameplay of needing just because the icon was clickable... I'll take these rare kicks over people clicking need for stuff they don't need.

Maybe they should add a new tip to show up for all dungeon load screens for a while, something like "Personal loot is personal. Nobody is required to give that item away if they don't want to." Sure, a lot of people won't read it or care, but it might cut down the drama to near non-existant, at least.
11/07/2016 08:32 AMPosted by Einsteine
how many of the socialists here have actually given a complete stranger 25gold just cause they asked you for it? if you dont do charity, why do you expect other ppl to?

i don't know which is worse, entitlement or hypocrisy


Charity is not socialism. The people who are staunchly against socialism advocate charity in PLACE OF socialism.
Hey! How exactly is a rainbow made? How exactly does a sun set? How exactly does a posi-trac rear-end on a Plymouth work? It just does.
11/07/2016 08:41 AMPosted by Baileyjay
11/07/2016 08:32 AMPosted by Einsteine
how many of the socialists here have actually given a complete stranger 25gold just cause they asked you for it? if you dont do charity, why do you expect other ppl to?

i don't know which is worse, entitlement or hypocrisy


Charity is not socialism. The people who are staunchly against socialism advocate charity in PLACE OF socialism.

of course.
my point was: if you dont even do charity, how can you support socialism? demanding loot from other players, and kicking if they dont comply is socialist, not charity.
Isn't need before greed kind of always the rule? If an item is a primary stat upgrade for another player it should go to that player, unless rules to the contrary were explicitly discussed beforehand.

To me it depends on how the loot rules were set up...was it personal loot? Master loot? Need before greed? I'd need more information before I could make a decision on who was right or wrong here.

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