First expac I want to quit :/

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12/22/2016 07:24 AMPosted by Thistlespark
It's a drag -- after you level for the VERY first time. That was really fun, but I did that, three times already.

I'm actually inclined to agree with this, and I'm someone who loved questing. In the original Azeroth, every race had its own unique quests, each class often had a specific quest (like warlocks getting their first summon), there were easily 2-4 zones for any particular leveling range, and Horde and Alliance quests were different until at least halfway in (30+) and even after that were plenty of faction-specific quests.

In Legion, I believe I've done every non-repeatable quest on my main, and most of the WQs at one point or another. Every alt feels like I'm doing THE SAME THING. The only unique questing is for the artifacts, for the class halls, and for professions. (Except that once you've done at least 5 different classes, you start to realize how much recycling was done. I've been to the lake in Tirisfal three times for three different class artifacts. It felt neat to head to the old world the first time. The third time it was more like "oh, here again.")

After my second 110, my other alts mostly camp in their order halls, run to the mailbox to collect some order resources, and maybe if I'm up to it go out and finish a quest chain. How many times have I escorted Farondis? How many times have I put Yotnar back together? How many times have I learned about Huln and Ebonhorn? How many times have I run around rescuing druids? It's getting old ... and I have another half-dozen alts still working up through Draenor or lower level. How many withered armies can I bear training?

(Of course, even in other expansions like BC, there were things that got repetitive. However, the degree to which the world feels so small and the amount of questing so restricted is the worst it has been.)

12/22/2016 07:24 AMPosted by Thistlespark
Gotta grind out some more AP. And you will never be effective as your "main" spec until you spend *months* again, grinding that Artifact Power.

This is where I play alts differently and it just doesn't matter as much to me. I don't feel like my alts have to be as effective. I'm just happy to see them progress in power.

I don't feel like I need to have my prot paladin's weapon to 33 traits before I can start her doing dungeons. By the time she hits 110, she's likely to already be to 13 or so, and no worse off than my main was AT THAT POINT. It's not a grind for AP. It never will be. She'll earn her AK, she'll pick up AP when she does normal activities.

(What does feel like a grind to me is Order Resources, but I just need to get the farming alts active enough to buy them with Blood of Sargeras. If I let myself be okay with not being able to constantly send the alts on missions, even that's not a grind and comes naturally while playing.)
This expansion is actually quite good for alts.

High quality gear is incredibly easy to get, for example, easier than it really ever has been for alts. You don't need to raid, just do some mythics and then MM+, the world bosses, etc.

The Artifact Power system has a natural progression to it. I think the Knowledge catch-up for alts in 7.1.5 is a positive change, obviously, but there really is no need to grind.

Play the game, unlock new traits gradually.

Want to wait a bit? No problem.

Those early traits become totally trivial to unlock later on.

Even without the 7.1.5 catch-up mechanics, it's not some kind of months-long grind to unlock traits on an off-spec weapon. My Death Knight alt is blood, and has about 17 AK. I just unlocked two golden traits on my frost weapon in about an hour and a half. It's completely trivial to do that sort of thing.
You want to play an alt. Try to think ahead and lvl that alt to 110 so you can then do the order resource WQ's, gear WQ's and your Artifact Knowledge scrolls. Don't get serious with leveling the weapon until your AK lvls are up. That way its not such a monumental grind the way it was on your main.

I'm taking it easy since my guild's raid group broke up and I've got two alts all the way to 850. I usually leave most of the AP quests on the board. Even so they are probably better than a lot of player's mains as I have more time.

I think the advice about relaxing and don't take it so seriously is excellent.
Take a break man!

Please note that we humans (irl) live in loops...we do same things over, over, over ect forever...

Play another game where you kin do things over, over, over etc...

Good luck n' merry xmas!

nuff said,
If you hate legion more than WoD its probably best to get rid of your account
12/22/2016 09:16 AMPosted by Khrøn
12/22/2016 08:53 AMPosted by Averagetroll
Amount of Mythic 2+ Dungeons completed in time: 10
Amount of Mythic 5+ Dungeons completed in time: 0

Don't complain about something if you're not even putting in any effort lol.


So is the games value and enjoyment based on "putting in time" on Mythics?


They complained about AP being difficult to get, didn't put any effort into getting it, you dumb?
People seems to forget that the first "tier" for every exp is a pain in the !@# for alts , draenor was , pandaria was too, its until the second tier when we get the catch up mechanics that everything goes back to normal , why do people dont see it, it will forever be a mistery
12/22/2016 09:33 AMPosted by Finrael
People seems to forget that the first "tier" for every exp is a pain in the !@# for alts , draenor was , pandaria was too, its until the second tier when we get the catch up mechanics that everything goes back to normal


It's been like that for a while partly because the devs felt like, with Cataclysm, people didn't have enough to do on their mains.

So in Pandaria they went overboard in certain areas (so many reputation daily quests), and then added catch-up mechanics.

Legion is a little bit like Pandaria in that sense, but that's basically positive. It's much better to have too much to do than not enough and, as you say, everything smooths out later in the expansion.

Regarding daily quests versus world quests: yes, they fill a similar role in the game, but world quests provide much more variety and freedom than daily quests did. Rewards are better, too.
It's because we don't have flying yet, OP. Legion would be so much more fun with flying.
You played all of the way through WoD, and Legion is the expansion you want to quit?

Interesting.
12/22/2016 08:35 AMPosted by Metalia
Cata


12/22/2016 08:35 AMPosted by Metalia
miserable


Never have understood what was so bad about Cataclysm, myself.

That being said, OP, Legion's certainly not for everyone. Personally, I'm taking an indefinite break myself, and I sincerely hope things change some time in the next few years.

But, I'm beginning to accept that the game's just never going to be the same again, for me.
It sounds like it's a great time for you to leave the game.

In other news, after hitting level 35 on my blood artifact, my frost is already up to 29 with just two evenings of casual playing...
12/22/2016 07:24 AMPosted by Thistlespark
In 12 years. I'm totally miserable. I've taken breaks before, lots of times - but it was always at the end of an expac cycle, when I'd done everything and I'd leveled all my alts and geared them up.

This expac though?

It's a drag -- after you level for the VERY first time. That was really fun, but I did that, three times already.

Everything feels like a grind. Artifact Power, Order Hall Resources for alts, just having alts at all feels like a horrible slog like it never, ever, did before.

World Quests have all been done before and so, none of them are fresh or new, I've seen them all. I've done them and so, they are merely dailies again, just *exactly* like before. Sure, you don't have to do them, just like you don't have to do dailies. But it's the same old, same old. And it's WORSE than before, all because of those dang Artifact weapons.

Want to try a new spec for fun, to switch things up? Oh, oops, sorry, you will not be effective for weeks. Gotta grind out some more AP. And you will never be effective as your "main" spec until you spend *months* again, grinding that Artifact Power. Sorry. Also, whoops, Blizzard ruined this spec.... so, ouchie, you gotta go ahead and do that grind. Sorry.

Want to actually DO that grind? Well, you get to go do content that you have already seen, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Sorry.

Then, because Blizzard decided to one-up themselves, they decided to throw in RNG into the regular grind mix. Ohhhh, you wanted to get a reward at the end of that grind? Well, there is a *chance* for you to get it. And that is fun, right? Fun because it's like gambling, yeah. Except, you had to grind for weeks doing the same content repeatedly not *for* something this time, just for a chance at something.

Except Artifact Power. That's the one single thing we can count on. But then because they don't want us "finishing" their content too fast (and making ANY switch from one spec disgusting) they make the grind for Artifact Power the worst slog of all.

The first experience of leveling is fun as hell.

The zones are beautiful.

The actual expansion feel is the worst I've ever felt in 12 years of playing and 25 years of being a Blizzard fan.


what level is ur AK? this rogue on my guild was complaining in that his artifact weapon progression is really slow, then i found out that his AK is only level 4 when he was already at level 24 for artifact level. i honestly don't know how he grind up to level 24 with only level 4 or less AK.
As a whole I enjoy this expansion but the aspects that frustrate me frustrate me more then ever before in this game so I can understand where you're coming from OP
12/22/2016 07:24 AMPosted by Thistlespark
just having alts at all feels like a horrible slog like it never, ever, did before.


What did you do with alts before?

12/22/2016 07:24 AMPosted by Thistlespark
effective for weeks.


What do you mean by "effective"?
Are you conflating "effective" with optimal?

12/22/2016 07:24 AMPosted by Thistlespark
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

Seriously, what did you do with alts before?
12/22/2016 07:32 AMPosted by Varanid
Your doing something wrong, I was able to gain 2 of the golden dragons on my Kingslayers, in a single half a Saturday, when my AK was only at around 16-17.


My grass is yellow. Can I borrow some bull fertilizer from you?
Log in check Nomi Check Order Hall - Check Emminsary quest do the 4 real quick- Check world quest for gear, Hearth to Dalaran Open Random BG finder click LFG Lose 3 win 1 , Log out and do the same thing again tomorrow.

This is what Wow has been reduced to for me. you could maybe sub in random Dungeon finder for those who don't pvp.
Oh sorry I'm posting on a "main" I stopped played weeks and weeks ago. Also, those stats aren't accurate, I did a buttload of Mythic+s on her. Blizzard isn't very good at keeping accurate stats on its armory, but that is nothing new, everyone knows that. I don't think I've even logged this toon in for weeks.

But I haven't bothered doing much beyond raiding with my raid group with my new "main" because literally just logging in makes me groan.

I do pet battles, I love it - but I can't even finish the Falcosaur crap to get 4 free mounts. Everything about the game is directly related to dragging out how long you spend in the game. They sat around a table when they were designing this expac and figured out how to keep us playing longer, keep us logged in more -- if we want that dangling carrot.

I honestly think the offensive addition of the RNG to the grind the game *already* had is what really did it. It's salt rubbed into the wound.

And the devs? The really good ones left for Overwatch. This team is run by Ion H. -- he ran Elitist Jerks, he is a lawyer. He is not a game dev. It feels bad. They ignore classes for *months* and that's just disgusting.

The zones are gorgeous and Suramar storyline is interesting. But it's not enough.

I wish I didn't feel this way, I never hated wow like I do now. But I detest it. I have *loved* it and been a cheerleader for it forever.

Something is just wrong with it now. /shrug
This is the first expansion where i too feel is a drag to level an alt....
12/22/2016 07:55 AMPosted by Kerlista
I leveled doom hammer is one night. Getting around 17 to 26+ K per quest. Mythi + give 15k... Literally took me 3 hour to get 3 golds...


Not with 1 Artifact knowledge you didn't. He is talking about without the AK. If he wanted to reroll a class, or play an alt.

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