Gambling for in-game gold!

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Important disclaimer: I have been researching the legality behind this topic and need to point out a few things before i begin. The first thread i came across was made by Enradel@null https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/2325686720

He questions whether gambling in-game gold with players is illegal or not, so he submits a ticket asking a GM. The response:

"While players may opt to privately run or participate in an in-game casino, advertising for this particular practice is not permitted in-game or on our forums in any form. Casino advertisements can degrade the quality of the environment we want to provide for our players and thus are not appropriate for the World of Warcraft. Blizz considers /y /s to be public.
http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=27048".

My question is simple, do you guys find this behavior as negative influence to the game or not? I totally agree and understand the reason, but i think it could be kinda fun if blizz themselves added their own fair/balanced method for entertainment purposes. I've seen players advertise many different silly games before, but i have troubles trusting anyone these days... I would much prefer an in game npc so we don't get scammed! We practically gamble every day when we dedicate time to farm gold and mobs for gear, but I'm more interested in testing my luck, even if there's a little risk involved :)

At the moment i'm not entirely sure what kind of method they should implement, but i know a few friends who would actually try this in order to help pay for game-time. Though its not recommended for players to earn gold that way, this is all just speculation and food for thought. What's your thoughts on this? Please be as constructive as possible and provide professional responses on whether this idea should be discarded or not, thanks!
I thought scribes still made those cards that can sell for thousands of gold?
01/13/2017 02:20 PMPosted by Rubedo
I thought scribes still made those cards that can sell for thousands of gold?


Flipped a 10k (I think. Maybe it was 5k?) last expac. Felt like a drop in the bucket compared to the thousands I was making every day from the garrison.
It depends on the country. There are countries that have specific gambling laws. There are a lot of rules that Blizzard has set in place which are there because some activity is a crime in certain parts of the world.
I'm fine with the rule as is. No advertising for gambling and I'm not really eager to see Blizzard work on a system they will have to censor in some regions.
Okay, so here's the deal.. Gambling = allowed. Advertising = not.

It all goes back to the early days of classic, when ironforge had all these people scamspamming for 'casinos' based on /random. Naturally they weren't exactly overseen by the gambling commission so players complained both about them and the spam... so.. Blizzard implemented the rule banning the advertising, without then having to try and police people doing it privately among friends.
I've seen people do roll-offs in raids. The group I raid with does them sometimes. I don't seen an issue as a non-advertised just guildies having fun thing.

*I* personally haven't ever - though the group I raid with is on a different realm so I can't trade with them anyway. But they seem to have fun with it(can hear excitement in Vent over high rolls and such).

I just don't really consider it real gambling. Scribes make cards which is like gambling kind of, and I would always just sell them on the AH for profit for guaranteed profits vs. flipping them myself (plus I am too lazy for that lol)

Even in real life I spend very little money on lotto tickets, and when I would go to a casino I wouldn't allow myself to lose more then $20

"Know your limit, stay within it"
I've done a bit of /roll gambling during downtime in raid. Pretty fun way to pass the time waiting out an afk or whatnot.

I don't see Blizz adding in an official way to do it, but there are addons that make it easier to play a /roll game, track who won and how much.

I used this one for a while: https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/cross-gambling
The problem is that this is...problematic, depending on national laws.

If WOW is seen to be "promoting gambling" then that opens a can of worms.

https://www.communications.gov.au/what-we-do/internet/internet-governance/online-gambling

No.

You dont want to go there.

Trust me.
01/13/2017 04:32 PMPosted by Aehl
The problem is that this is...problematic, depending on national laws.

If WOW is seen to be "promoting gambling" then that opens a can of worms.

https://www.communications.gov.au/what-we-do/internet/internet-governance/online-gambling

No.

You dont want to go there.

Trust me.
Zynga must be banned there then.
Thanks to some of you for actually submitting a professional argument on the topic instead of just blindly down voting. :) Just to be clear, this is about gold, so not real $ obviously.
Sorry, I was distracted by my own laughter after you said you 'researched the legality' of something in a video game.
01/13/2017 05:37 PMPosted by Squiddy
Sorry, I was distracted by my own laughter after you said you 'researched the legality' of something in a video game.


You know 'legal' has two meanings right?

Like 'an illegal move in chess' vs 'it's illegal to shoot knives into the air."

So, something illegal in the game is like 'illegal in chess', not 'cops come'
'it's illegal to shoot knives into the air."


It is? !@#@#$!3

And yes, I know that. OP doesn't... and also doesn't seem to know that calling something a disclaimer doesn't make it one.
01/13/2017 05:32 PMPosted by Gothicss
Just to be clear, this is about gold, so not real $ obviously.


The problem is with WoW Tokens, the line between the two starts to blur. Especially since there is talk about the tokens just being a flat $15 dollars toward your b.net balance.

That makes it ... uncomfortable for certain laws.
Just to be clear, this is about gold, so not real $ obviously.


Irrelevant in the law.

Zynga must be banned there then.


Dont be absurd.
Important disclaimer: I have been researching the legality behind this topic and need to point out a few things before i begin. The first thread i came across was made by Enradel@null https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/2325686720

He questions whether gambling in-game gold with players is illegal or not, so he submits a ticket asking a GM. The response:

"While players may opt to privately run or participate in an in-game casino, advertising for this particular practice is not permitted in-game or on our forums in any form. Casino advertisements can degrade the quality of the environment we want to provide for our players and thus are not appropriate for the World of Warcraft. Blizz considers /y /s to be public.
http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=27048".

My question is simple, do you guys find this behavior as negative influence to the game or not? I totally agree and understand the reason, but i think it could be kinda fun if blizz themselves added their own fair/balanced method for entertainment purposes. I've seen players advertise many different silly games before, but i have troubles trusting anyone these days... I would much prefer an in game npc so we don't get scammed! We practically gamble every day when we dedicate time to farm gold and mobs for gear, but I'm more interested in testing my luck, even if there's a little risk involved :)

At the moment i'm not entirely sure what kind of method they should implement, but i know a few friends who would actually try this in order to help pay for game-time. Though its not recommended for players to earn gold that way, this is all just speculation and food for thought. What's your thoughts on this? Please be as constructive as possible and provide professional responses on whether this idea should be discarded or not, thanks!


Although i can see all the greedy goblins putting in a casino in their starting zone i would rather not have gambling in the game.

This is Azeroth we're talking about not Las Vegas.
01/13/2017 02:17 PMPosted by Gothicss
i know a few friends who would actually try this in order to help pay for game-time. Though its not recommended for players to earn gold that way,
Gambling is not a way to earn money, it's a way to lose money.

If your friends envisage a way to make gold through gambling to pay for game-time they are either idiots or they have a scam in mind. This game doesn't benefit from encouraging either.

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