Still not sold on Class Identity

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So after 7.1.5 I was under the assumption that the Blizz dev team was gonna help represent more class identity in some classes. However I still don't see it in my classes.

Fire Mage, while alot of out talents and spells have changed to be more aligned with the spec, like Ice Barrier now being frost only and gaining Blazing Barrier for Fire and Prismatic Barrier for Arcane, I still wanna know why all 3 specs still have the talents Ring of Frost, and Ice Ward?

Were there like no other choices? Why couldn't Fire get Flame Wreath instead of Ring of Frost?

And they stated that they wanted to make some talents less desireable while making some that you almost always picked base line. So you made Cauterize baseline for Fire, but removed Ice Floes to only Frost. Making it nearly impossible to utilize Marquee Bindings of the Sun King without the Shimmer talent.

And honestly I feel the palcement of the talents was wrong as well. What exactly is the point of the lvl 30 talent tier? You have a movement talent, a knockback talent, and a recharge Blazing Barrier talent. What is this tier? Blazing Barrier feels like it should be built into the weapon, Blast wave feels out of place, and Shimmer almost feel mandatory.

I dunno, maybe I missed something. Did Anyone at Blizzard explain the reasoning behind the placements of the talents here? Or reasoning behind why some talents became base while others were restricted to one spec? Id like to know.
02/08/2017 07:42 AMPosted by Rocxus
Why couldn't Fire get Flame Wreath


You have it but you can only cast it on christmas or whenever a member of your family die.
02/08/2017 07:42 AMPosted by Rocxus
Why couldn't Fire get Flame Wreath instead of Ring of Frost?


I will not move when Flame Wreath is cast or the raid blows up.
02/08/2017 07:42 AMPosted by Rocxus
Why couldn't Fire get Flame Wreath instead of Ring of Frost?


Because Ring of Frost is a CC, and just because your mage is a fire specialist doesn't mean that they somehow forgot how to perform a fairly basic ice spell. I guess you could have Flame Wreath be a disorient, but it's not worth designing a brand new spell just so some fire mages aren't offended by the option to take an ice talent.

02/08/2017 07:42 AMPosted by Rocxus
nearly impossible to utilize Marquee Bindings of the Sun King without the Shimmer talent.


Why the hell are you surprised that obtaining a rare legendary with a specific effect might make a particular talent BIS?
02/08/2017 08:20 AMPosted by Nyzer
02/08/2017 07:42 AMPosted by Rocxus
Why couldn't Fire get Flame Wreath instead of Ring of Frost?


Because Ring of Frost is a CC, and just because your mage is a fire specialist doesn't mean that they somehow forgot how to perform a fairly basic ice spell. I guess you could have Flame Wreath be a disorient, but it's not worth designing a brand new spell just so some fire mages aren't offended by the option to take an ice talent.

02/08/2017 07:42 AMPosted by Rocxus
nearly impossible to utilize Marquee Bindings of the Sun King without the Shimmer talent.


Why the hell are you surprised that obtaining a rare legendary with a specific effect might make a particular talent BIS?


Because losing Ice Floes made this feel less rewarding to cast, especially when it doesnt crit. On average the pyroblast cast with this effect noncrit is between 500k and 800k, while a crit can be as high as 1.2-1.5 million. And if I am casting then all of a sudden say, I get hit from spikes on Xavious, I lost my cast, or a knock back happens, I need to recast. But Ice floes allowed you to still be able to cast that.

My argument was, why is Ring of Frost still available to all specs, but something like Ice Floes is now Frost only.
02/08/2017 07:42 AMPosted by Rocxus
Why couldn't Fire get Flame Wreath instead of Ring of Frost?


PvPers would riot until that nightmare was over.
I want my ice barrier back, not this useless flame bubble which stops nothing.
02/08/2017 08:34 AMPosted by Rocxus
My argument was, why is Ring of Frost still available to all specs, but something like Ice Floes is now Frost only.


I can almost guarantee you it involves PvP balance.

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This was always an issue this expac, since alpha. The prune was too excessive and destroyed the depth and uniqueness of the classes. All classes play about the same depending on the role. Taking full blown classes, chopping them up into 36 mini specs and locking useful baseline stats behind honor talents and legendaries killed the game and also shows how lazy and talentless the current d3 dev team is.
Why are you casting pyroblast without hot streak up?
3 second or 4 second cast time for pyroblast is a DPS loss.
02/08/2017 03:16 PMPosted by Zephyrath
Why are you casting pyroblast without hot streak up?
3 second or 4 second cast time for pyroblast is a DPS loss.


http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/132406

After consuming a Hotstreak, you have a 15% chance that your next non-instant Pyroblast will deal 300% additional damage.
I'm still completely baffled by it. If they wanted each class to stand out on their own then why did they remove stances, the most iconic thing about warriors as a class? The simple fact is in their effort to make every class unique, they removed too much and now everyone just has different flavors of "press this to do damage, not die or heal". The flavor classes had is gone. Things like different rune types for DKs, stances and banners for warriors, having weapon type choices for specs, spells shared among all specs, those helped give the classes more flavor.
My Marksman hunter feels like an RNGMAN needed bis legendaries to feel good to play.

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