PSA: Creatures now scale with item level #2

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04/03/2017 05:27 AMPosted by Phlynch
04/03/2017 05:16 AMPosted by Roxette
I am not trolling - there just isn't a noticeable difference. I think you guys are trying to hard to exaggerate because you just don't like the idea.

For a DPS or tank their is no noticeable difference, and therefor no reason to actually keep the system.

For a healer the extra health is far more than their damage increases with gear, and so the system is actively harmful to them.

It needs to go, and it needs to have been gone since day one.


What exactly did healers do before this expansion ? It is almost like you think most of them don't have a dps spec. They have a choice either just tag the mobs some else is killing, or join a group, or switch to their dps spec.

I know exaggerating is big on this forum but come on lets not pretend this is breaking the game for anyone.
I've upped the cap on this thread. Thanks again for all the feedback on this - please use this thread going forward.
8141 posts in the last thread before it was locked.

THE PHOENIX SHALL RISE FROM THE ASHES AND CONSUME THE EVIL THAT HAS AFFLICTED THIS GAME!

DO NOT GIVE IN!
Changing your mind on something isn't dishonest, at least to an adult. Maybe to a child where everything is black and white.


This is a backhanded insult and reflects poorly on you, not the person you're criticizing. Moving on.

I don't mind that they changed their mind. That they did it and didn't discuss it with their customers is bothersome. Anyone in this business would know that there are strong opinions on this subject.

I realize they stated they put this in secretly to get "raw and honest" feedback. But that suggests to me that they thought being open and honest with their customer base would elicit a dishonest response. I also find that very bothersome.

What bothers me the most, however, and caused me to unsub both my accounts (time runs up 4/27 but I've moved on to other games at this point) is that they nerfed the workaround as opposed to fixing the problem. IMHO this is the liposuction solution to a weight problem (fix the symptom not the problem) and it punishes the community that pointed it out.

Honestly, coming from Everquest my first thought was that they would track your ilvl and keep a recent MAX value - not allowing you to remove equipment to bypass the issue. But then I thought, Blizzard wouldn't do that. And then they did....

I waited a couple days to think it over but I kept coming to the same conclusion. Perhaps the years playing for companies that treated their customers like a problem instead of an asset has made me overly sensitive to these sort of responses, but to me that was a akin to a slap in the face.

You can assert I'm overreacting and you're entitled to that opinion. After considering it for a few days I think it's time to move on. I'm going back to a game that has an official structure for receiving and reviewing input from their customers and have a history of listening and working closely with them.


Wanted to bring this post along from the remains of the old thread.

I agree that the implementation of this was weird, if not dishonest. It didn't reflect stated goals, was a poor experiment by any real standards, and this was really, really weird timing to launch something so controversial to counteract a "problem" that happens every expansion, is 100% predictable, and so on.

So there's that.

In terms of fixing the "problem" of mob tagging, this does not address group tagging, faction tagging, and CRZ issues, which are occurring at every gear level and have been since implementation, but are only magnified when players are tunneled into specific areas (Broken Shore, and anywhere with AP world quests).
I have already voted against item level scaling mobs by canceling my subs. the only thing that will get this removed from the game is if they lose enough subs. Its insulting for blizzard to claim they are interested in peoples views on things. the ptr forums over the years prove beyond doubt that blizzard ignores anything they don't want to hear
the ptr forums over the years prove beyond doubt that blizzard ignores anything they don't want to hear


(Bold was my emphasis)

That's a little cynical. In development, sometimes you have rolling balls where things are too far along to change before 'mandatory' launch.

THAT SAID, I agree that there is a ton of good feedback in the PTR that often yields no change, and then things are live for months, and we're left with posts saying; "well, we can't fix this NOW because it'll affect the live balance and raid competition and so on...."

And that's why transparency on the PTR is so important. For good testing. That's why you don't look for "organic" feedback on something so complex as WoW...on a feature that will be, undoubtedly, controversial. That you've stated in the past is bad design, and you wouldn't do. In the middle of an expansion. Without telling anybody.
04/03/2017 10:37 AMPosted by Ornyx
I've upped the cap on this thread. Thanks again for all the feedback on this - please use this thread going forward.

Okay, but still makes me wonder why the part 3 got deleted.
04/03/2017 10:37 AMPosted by Ornyx
I've upped the cap on this thread. Thanks again for all the feedback on this - please use this thread going forward.


An 8000 comment thread, three days of discontent, and a second thread that needs its cap upped.

Can we get some serious feedback? You say thanks for the feedback, but its a two way street; We need to know what is (or isn't) happening.
04/03/2017 10:49 AMPosted by Lucyfaithful
I have already voted against item level scaling mobs by canceling my subs. the only thing that will get this removed from the game is if they lose enough subs. Its insulting for blizzard to claim they are interested in peoples views on things. the ptr forums over the years prove beyond doubt that blizzard ignores anything they don't want to hear


Don't expect change unless there's actually something wrong with the system.
04/03/2017 10:56 AMPosted by Eleanõr
04/03/2017 10:37 AMPosted by Ornyx
I've upped the cap on this thread. Thanks again for all the feedback on this - please use this thread going forward.


An 8000 comment thread, three days of discontent, and a second thread that needs its cap upped.

Can we get some serious feedback? You say thanks for the feedback, but its a two way street; We need to know what is (or isn't) happening.

Don't forget they did delete part 3 that got made after part 2 got capped. They've been active this morning and that's what makes me salty.
04/03/2017 10:37 AMPosted by Ornyx
I've upped the cap on this thread. Thanks again for all the feedback on this - please use this thread going forward.


LIL' GOAT TO THE RESCUE!

Thank you, Ornyx!

Ok peoples, let's take this opportunity to really show our class! Ignore the trolls( literally, if you must) and keep it to topic!

Let the games begin!
04/03/2017 10:48 AMPosted by Skyly
Changing your mind on something isn't dishonest, at least to an adult. Maybe to a child where everything is black and white.


There is a Pacific-Ocean sized difference between me saying, "I'll have the steak. No wait, changed my mind, I'll go with the Lasagna"

and me saying,

"I won't drink and drive," and then going out and doing so.

There is a Pacific-Ocean sized difference between blizzard saying, "No we won't institute ilvl scaling," and them then instituting ilvl scaling.


Changing your mind on something isn't dishonest, at least to an adult. Maybe to a child where everything is black and white.


There is a Pacific-Ocean sized difference between me saying, "I'll have the steak. No wait, changed my mind, I'll go with the Lasagna"

and me saying,

"I won't drink and drive," and then going out and doing so.

There is a Pacific-Ocean sized difference between blizzard saying, "No we won't institute ilvl scaling," and them then instituting ilvl scaling.


For the record, that was Rox's trolling, back-handed insult quote, not mine.

And that was my point in my response to Rox, as well.
04/03/2017 11:02 AMPosted by Skyly
that was Rox's trolling, back-handed insult quote, not mine.


Long ago put them on ignore. Sorry. Mea Culpa.
04/03/2017 11:02 AMPosted by Skyly
For the record, that was Rox's trolling, back-handed insult quote, not mine.

And that was my point in my response to Rox, as well.


And what are you expecting to gain from repeatedly calling Blizzard liars? It's in the past. Your own personal hurt feeling are your own. This won't go anywhere until something constructive comes.
04/03/2017 10:54 AMPosted by Lohannah
04/03/2017 10:37 AMPosted by Ornyx
I've upped the cap on this thread. Thanks again for all the feedback on this - please use this thread going forward.

Okay, but still makes me wonder why the part 3 got deleted.
Looking into that as we speak. We are just getting in, so trying to get things back in order.

I do still see the thread that was deleted, and I've taken its feedback into account.
04/03/2017 11:06 AMPosted by Ornyx
04/03/2017 10:54 AMPosted by Lohannah
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Okay, but still makes me wonder why the part 3 got deleted.
Looking into that as we speak. We are just getting in, so trying to get things back in order.

I do still see the thread that was deleted, and I've taken its feedback into account.


Thank you for the transparency, Space Goat. It is appreciated.

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