Assassination Dps and rotation.

Rogue
@Cóóby

Is the rotation the same if you take subterfuge, without the vanish and second rupture? Subterfuge is more heavily used over nightstalker at least currently.

Whats envenom usage look like? Is it worth doing Envenoms at 4 CP in order to not waste CP from trying to get to 5 - like something critting, and that extra cp just vanishes from existence. Or should we constantly be shooting for 5, and not worry about overcapping cp from crits.
12/07/2017 11:43 AMPosted by Grayjoy
There are openers in the guide at ravenholdt.com. With mantle and wrists (subterfuge) and TB I go:

Garrote
Mutilate
Rupture
Vendetta
KB
TB
(Vanish)
Envenom
Mut
Garrote
Envenom until crit buff expires


Is that specifically for pvp? If you're doing pve, Nightstalker is the only way to go.
Also, your KB and TB are in reversed order.
12/08/2017 03:13 PMPosted by Morthaas
12/07/2017 11:43 AMPosted by Grayjoy
There are openers in the guide at ravenholdt.com. With mantle and wrists (subterfuge) and TB I go:

Garrote
Mutilate
Rupture
Vendetta
KB
TB
(Vanish)
Envenom
Mut
Garrote
Envenom until crit buff expires


Is that specifically for pvp? If you're doing pve, Nightstalker is the only way to go.
Also, your KB and TB are in reversed order.


https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/17#class=Rogue&difficulty=4&spec=Assassination

Subterfuge is top choice on every fight btw.
12/04/2017 11:01 AMPosted by Cóóby
@Puzzlit, no offense but I’d take my advice over yours.

You:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/26448503/17#metric=dps

Me:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/24673631/17/#


Your opener is wrong, so I wouldn't get too big of a head.
12/08/2017 03:17 PMPosted by Márianne
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Is that specifically for pvp? If you're doing pve, Nightstalker is the only way to go.
Also, your KB and TB are in reversed order.


https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/17#class=Rogue&difficulty=4&spec=Assassination

Subterfuge is top choice on every fight btw.


Um, no, no it isn't. You must have a fundamental flaw in your understanding of how Sin rogues work. Subterfuge doesn't do a damn thing for you if you aren't applying garrote to more than one target, or aren't blinding multiple targets. If you're a raider, and you care about the !@#$ damage you're probably putting out, you will want to use Nightstalker 11/11 times. The fact that you don't understand how Toxic Blade and Kingsbane work together is also indicative of this.
12/08/2017 03:21 PMPosted by Morthaas
Um, no, no it isn't. You must have a fundamental flaw in your understanding of how Sin rogues work. Subterfuge doesn't do a damn thing for you if you aren't applying garrote to more than one target, or aren't blinding multiple targets. If you're a raider, and you care about the !@#$ damage you're probably putting out, you will want to use Nightstalker 11/11 times. The fact that you don't understand how Toxic Blade and Kingsbane work together is also indicative of this.


Tell that to the top parsing rogues that use Subterfuge on every fight.
Subterfuge is the superior talent right now because of our 4pc t20 bonus. However, nightstalker may pull ahead once people get their t21.
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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/17#class=Rogue&difficulty=4&spec=Assassination

Subterfuge is top choice on every fight btw.


Um, no, no it isn't. You must have a fundamental flaw in your understanding of how Sin rogues work. Subterfuge doesn't do a damn thing for you if you aren't applying garrote to more than one target, or aren't blinding multiple targets. If you're a raider, and you care about the !@#$ damage you're probably putting out, you will want to use Nightstalker 11/11 times. The fact that you don't understand how Toxic Blade and Kingsbane work together is also indicative of this.


Think about what garrote does with t20 and subterfuge/shoulders, then think about every log out there, then think about what you said.

Take the L dude.

12/08/2017 10:27 AMPosted by Cóóby
12/07/2017 11:43 AMPosted by Grayjoy
There are openers in the guide at ravenholdt.com. With mantle and wrists (subterfuge) and TB I go:

Garrote
Mutilate
Rupture
Vendetta
KB
TB
(Vanish)
Envenom
Mut
Garrote
Envenom until crit buff expires


You wasted part of your initial shoulder buff, didn’t buff the final kingsbane ticks with toxic blade, and didn’t fit those final ticks inside the crit window.

If that’s what you like to use, go for it but I don’t recommend it.


I used to run the opener you suggest, actually! I switched it up after reading the updated ravenholdt guide but yeah, really enjoyed the early KB one. Good call.
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12/08/2017 03:05 PMPosted by Morthaas
At 935, my opener peaks at just over 7mil dps. It will work.


Lol, sure you do. Sorry but you have no clue what you're talking about, all the information you've posted in here has been wrong, and this is just a shining example of it.
12/09/2017 04:35 AMPosted by Grayjoy
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Um, no, no it isn't. You must have a fundamental flaw in your understanding of how Sin rogues work. Subterfuge doesn't do a damn thing for you if you aren't applying garrote to more than one target, or aren't blinding multiple targets. If you're a raider, and you care about the !@#$ damage you're probably putting out, you will want to use Nightstalker 11/11 times. The fact that you don't understand how Toxic Blade and Kingsbane work together is also indicative of this.


Think about what garrote does with t20 and subterfuge/shoulders, then think about every log out there, then think about what you said.

Take the L dude.

12/08/2017 10:27 AMPosted by Cóóby
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You wasted part of your initial shoulder buff, didn’t buff the final kingsbane ticks with toxic blade, and didn’t fit those final ticks inside the crit window.

If that’s what you like to use, go for it but I don’t recommend it.


I used to run the opener you suggest, actually! I switched it up after reading the updated ravenholdt guide but yeah, really enjoyed the early KB one. Good call.


Some of us point to an external source and say we know what we're talking about, others speak from experience.
12/08/2017 03:19 PMPosted by Morthaas
12/04/2017 11:01 AMPosted by Cóóby
@Puzzlit, no offense but I’d take my advice over yours.

You:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/26448503/17#metric=dps

Me:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/24673631/17/#


Your opener is wrong, so I wouldn't get too big of a head.


Look man, I've been in here trying to be helpful as someone who consistently gets 99% parses. If you want to tell me I'm wrong I will review the information you present and draw a conclusion.

Based off your logs:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/earthen-ring/morthaas#

You have no idea what you're talking about as you parse grey/green on every fight since nighthold that's been logged excluding 1 normal Goroth kill. On that kill you barely peaked 2.5 mill. A normal Goroth kill I had 1 day before I peaked just under 4 mill. I'll continue playing my way if the advice given is yours.

Your Goroth kill:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/W2J3NYXhAxaZLnwk#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=28

My Goroth kill:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WdXKAaF7J6ktjhVc#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=2

I highly recommend you do ANY research instead of blindly following icyveins, as well as abstaining from providing your not so stellar insight.

Have a good day
@Cooby, noticed your rocking 2p + 2p and ur logs are insane lol. Is that currently bis for us or will you swap to 4p t21?
I'll swap to 4pc once i get either gloves or cloak. Just haven't been lucky with tier.

Right now I have chest/helm/legs/shoulders, dropping legendary shoulders for boots and equipping 4pc/2pc sims ~60k higher but it hurts me inside to drop shoulders.
i know right, i dont wanna give up shoulders either. I prolly will go 4p t21, shoulders + bracers. But will def miss short garrote cooldown with t20.
@Cóóby really curious about that 1.8m parse of yours on heroic Kin'garoth. Any tricks you're willing to share?
TBH, if you ask me I did that pull wrong. It was my first time on that fight and I blew everything on pull instead of holding vendetta/vanish 40s for first adds but I spose it worked out.

If you look at my damage profile I got wicked poison bomb damage inside lust on 2nd adds and a good amount inside cds near the end of the fight. That parse is mostly luck in my opinion.

It helped that it was a pug where people didnt know what to do as much, allowed me to abuse the increased add dmg a little more than it should have. If you look at my other log that I ran with my guild, the adds melt long before I get to take advantage of them hence lower dps.
Ah damn. Luck has never been my friend. Was wondering if there was something in that fight I wasn't properly taking advantage of. Thanks for the response!
12/12/2017 03:37 PMPosted by Keljran
Ah damn. Luck has never been my friend. Was wondering if there was something in that fight I wasn't properly taking advantage of. Thanks for the response!


To add onto it, I got a 2mill dps rank 1 on norm kingoroth last night on the worst possible pull. DH was jumping around and aggroed so we yolo’d it. Had half the raid dead, allowed me to take full advantage of add debuff and then cleave the other add with boss. I guess bad kingoroth pulls=better for me.
@Cóóby

Wow cóóby you are a machine.

Can you give an advice for felhound of sargeras? I need help to increase my dps in this boss.

I play waiting for shadowstep cd to switch the target. But i feel like i loss dps while i move to the other boss.

(pls sorry my bad english).

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