Varok Saurfang Concerns [Spoilers]

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Now I know there has been recent speculation regarding Draenor Orcs and Saurfang’s involvement within the next expansion. There has been talk about Saurfang betraying the Horde and him bringing the Draenor Orcs into the Alliance. Now seeing how I’ve had discussion regarding this as well recently, I figured I’d make this forum post Saurfang first then make a post on Draenor Orcs later. Note that these are my opinions and what I believe are the factors in this whole matter. Also note that this will contain information on Battle for Azeroth Alpha content and while may change is considered spoilers, now lets begin.

Saurfang -won’t- betray the Horde.

I know some people believe that Varok Saurfang will be betraying the Horde due to issues he and Sylvanas that are currently rising between the two to which Sylvanas has went on to state that she might raise Saurfang from the dead and if not, she would let him die so he can can say hello to his son. Now while Sylvanas says words in regards to ensuring the Horde survives, people believe that because of this dialogue indicates one of the reasons for Saurfang’s supposive betrayal. The dialogue goes as followed:

“Honor means nothing to a corpse, Saurfang. You have the luxury of underestimating death, but it is something with which I am intimately familiar.
Maybe you don't care if your people die so long as it is honorable, but to me, this Horde is worth saving. Anyone who disagrees does not deserve to stand among us.
So die your warrior's death, High Overlord Saurfang. It means little to me. Perhaps I will raise your broken body to serve me once more.
Or perhaps you will have a chance to say hello to your son. “


Now while no doubt that Sylvanas did say some things that would anger Saurfang, I wouldn’t consider this a major reason for a supposive betrayal. While it is true Varok has been wounded by the lost of his son and dishonor that is being raised into undeath, I highly doubt Saurfang would take Sylvanas’s words towards him deeply. Varok has always been a patriot of the Horde, always following the ways Thrall did when he was Warchief and even after the change of leadership occurred with Garrosh, Vol’jin, and now Sylvanas, Varok has always stood by the Horde’s people regardless who led them. If anything, I would say Varok values the Horde’s people more than the Warchief though still caring for some of those who were Warchief like Vol’jin and Thrall.

Another point in Battle for Azeroth was when you and a group of known Horde members like Rohkan and Nathanos go to the Stormwind Stockades to free the prisoners there to which they also free Saurfang. While they do manage to break him out, Saurfang decides to offer the group time to escape despite Rohkan questioning it. Once the exchange between two happens, Varok goes up to the 7th Legion soldiers that are guarding the Stockades and states that he wants to speak with Anduin. This is the dialogue shown between Varok and Rohkan:

High Overlord Saurfang: I will buy you as much time as I can to complete your mission. The ones you are looking for are just down the hall.
Rokhan: Yah not comin' with us?
High Overlord Saurfang: Are you going to make me?
Rokhan: I don' recall hearin' dat command, now dat yah mention it.
High Overlord Saurfang: Hmph.
High Overlord Saurfang (To guards): Take me to your boy King. I would have words with him.
First Arcanist: I do not think we will be afforded the same courtesy.
Rokhan: T'ink yah right about dat. All de same, got a job to do.
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To which two guards of the 7th Legion escort Saurfang to Anduin, while the group deals with the group that remains. Once freeing Zul the Prophet and Princess Talanji, the group is stop once more by 7th Legion battlemages that teleport into the Stockades and put up a barrier. The group turns back and manages to bring down one of the barriers, dealing with more 7th Legion troops and escaping the Stockades through the sewers. The group then sneaks through Stormwind with the city on high alert, even Anduin, Genn, and Jaina are not searching for them. Though they get caught and run away from Genn and Jaina, the group manages to escape though not with Saurfang. Now there are some thing I wish to point out that kind of conflict with the whole Saurfang’s betrayal theory.

Now, for starters, when the groups enters the Stockades they are met by the 7th Legion who are the Alliance counterpart to the Horde’s Kor’kron Elite Guard. The group right away draws the 7th Legion attention and makes their presence known right away to them before Saurfang is released. Let me note that much like the Kor’kron, the 7th Legion are in no way shape or form some random unit of Stormwind Guard, these soldiers of the 7th Legion are the best of the best within the Alliance had would’ve no doubt alerted Anduin as well as any guards of the Horde presence. This is proven by after mere moments of Saurfang leaving and the zandalari trolls being freed 7th Legion battlemage teleport in. I do not believe Saurfang would’ve been escorted to Anduin fast enough to supposedly inform him of the Horde’s presence and have the entire city on high alert. Other factor to this is what happens when the group exits via sewers and stumble upon Anduin as they escape to which Anduin states the following:

“Remain alert. SI:7 has informed us that the enemy emerged near the Keep.”


Knowing the SI:7 well enough to acknowledge their abilities in stealth, assassination and -information gathering- there is no surprise that the SI:7 might have also been aware of the Horde’s presence after they enter the Stockades and informed Anduin of this before they even escape the prison building. Now lets say Saurfang did manage to speak with Anduin, I still doubt he would go and reveal the Horde’s presence to Anduin especially when one of the group’s member is a well respected ally being Rohkan. Furthermore, it would be strange for an orc who values honor to the core suddenly being dishonorable and ratting out his allies to their enemy over issues he has with a faction leader. To what Saurfang may had told Anduin would probably be something to what Baine said Jaina before Garrosh sent an army to attack Theramore, warning Anduin about Sylvanas and how she plans on attacking Stormwind in the near future which was revealed in a small part of the upcoming Before the Storm novel. He would then depart saying that he would still stand with his people that being the Horde and Anduin allowing him to leave not only because of the information Varok shared but out of respect to the old orc.

Anyway, that is what I think about the speculation and my thoughts on what will happen with Saurfang, fill free to state your views on this. I still plan on making a post more towards the Draenor Orcs later which will be slightly connected to this post.

Sources:
Horde Scenario into Zandalar - Battle for Azeroth Alpha [Stream Highlight] by Nobbel87
Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dNC2H_VuEo

Before the Storm Chapter Sampler
Link: http://www.wowhead.com/news=275306/before-the-storm-by-christie-golden-chapter-sampler-spoilers

Battle for Azeroth Broadcast Text Spoilers
Link: http://www.wowhead.com/news=281843/battle-for-azeroth-26032-broadcast-text-spoilers-teldrassil-and-lordaeron
I'm skeptical of Saurfang allying himself along-side the Alliance, heavily so, but I am very curious as to what words he has with Anduin. I'm not completely closed off to the concept of Orcs on the Alliance either, though... I also do not think Blizzard would be able to write that convincingly. It'd be the same if they tried to write humans into the Alliance - I'm not closed off to it, and I'd enjoy it if it were written well, but Blizzard has a habit of not writing things well...

TL:DR: I'm cautiously curious.
https://i.imgur.com/xeqdOHh.jpg

get hyped
02/18/2018 10:54 PMPosted by Wolf
https://i.imgur.com/xeqdOHh.jpg

get hyped

Nice photoshop, m8
02/18/2018 10:53 PMPosted by Isalenna
I'm skeptical of Saurfang allying himself along-side the Alliance, heavily so, but I am very curious as to what words he has with Anduin. I'm not completely closed off to the concept of Orcs on the Alliance either, though... I also do not think Blizzard would be able to write that convincingly. It'd be the same if they tried to write humans into the Alliance - I'm not closed off to it, and I'd enjoy it if it were written well, but Blizzard has a habit of not writing things well...

TL:DR: I'm cautiously curious.


I'm skeptical with Saurfang allying himself with the Alliance as I stated though I'm curious on the exchange of words between him and Anduin. We already know that Anduin respects Varok because of the words about Saurfang told by his father so I kind of find it interesting.

As for the Draenor Orcs joining the Alliance, I am more doubtful on that though like I also said, I still plan on writing my reasons on that later for another forum post.

02/18/2018 10:54 PMPosted by Wolf
https://i.imgur.com/xeqdOHh.jpg

get hyped


"Put that thing back where it came from or so help me!"
I don't think Blizzard has the balls to make Alliance orcs.

However, I do think Blizzard is willing to make the old orc attempt to try and "encourage" this "wolf pup" of Lo'Gosh, perhaps via old man advice along with Genn and Velen.

One old man for the Light, one old man to help him be a king, and one old man to teach him how to be a warrior.

Anduin essentially trades 1 dad for 3.
A family can be just a bunch of veterans and one son.
02/18/2018 11:12 PMPosted by Wolf
I don't think Blizzard has the balls to make Alliance orcs.

However, I do think Blizzard is willing to make the old orc attempt to try and "encourage" this "wolf pup" of Lo'Gosh, perhaps via old man advice along with Genn and Velen.

One old man for the Light, one old man to help him be a king, and one old man to teach him how to be a warrior.

Anduin essentially trades 1 dad for 3.


I wouldn't mind something like that, Saurfang has never been one to shy away from offering wisdom and guidance, though I would like to see some conflict with it too like Genn telling Anduin not to trust Varok but Velen being more understanding and supporting this opportunity for the boy to build more friendlier relations with other leaders of the Horde besides Baine.
02/18/2018 11:23 PMPosted by Grannuth

I wouldn't mind something like that, Saurfang has never been one to shy away from offering wisdom and guidance, though I would like to see some conflict with it too like Genn telling Anduin not to trust Varok but Velen being more understanding and supporting this opportunity for the boy to build more friendlier relations with other leaders of the Horde besides Baine.


I mean, I know it wouldn't happen, but I'd love it if it was Genn who tried to be diplomatic purely to try and get everyone to hate Sylvannas with Saurfang, whereas Velen is just gung-ho ready to shoot the Vindicar at literally everyone not Alliance.

A guy can dream.
I thought it was blisteringly obvious that this is the set-up for the end of the faction war. Saurfang and Anduin will realize there's a greater good to achieve, let us forswear this conflict and take up arms together and so forth and so on.

It's an unorthodox way to go about it, but it's the same destination as it always is.
02/18/2018 11:15 PMPosted by Liotuse
A family can be just a bunch of veterans and one son.


The fact that all three of them have a dead son just makes this entire scenario incredibly hilarious to me.
02/19/2018 12:09 AMPosted by Wolf
02/18/2018 11:15 PMPosted by Liotuse
A family can be just a bunch of veterans and one son.


The fact that all three of them have a dead son just makes this entire scenario incredibly hilarious to me.


can this be a sitcom
02/19/2018 12:31 AMPosted by Marsoor
02/19/2018 12:09 AMPosted by Wolf
...

The fact that all three of them have a dead son just makes this entire scenario incredibly hilarious to me.


can this be a sitcom


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Men_and_a_Baby
Saurfang attempted a suicide-by-demons in Legion. (It was the start of the Warrior campaign.) If anyone's going to spend a lot of time thinking about how they're going to end, and what happens immediately thereafter, it's him.

I don't think that's enough to outright flip him from red to blue. There's no Big Bad at the time of this Stormwind scenario, so if he did that he would be signing up to die fighting the Horde. He'd die a traitor, and his corpse could still be brought back to Sylvanas, so how does that help anything?
I want to see Saurfang bring AU Orcs to the alliance purely because it would be the most beautiful example of monkey paw wishing i have ever seen

"WE WANT BROWN ORCS"
"WE WANT BROWN ORCS"
"WE WANT BROWN ORCS"

"Done.. But they're alliance."
After void elves and Horde nightborne, how many more fingers has that paw got? What else have we used up?
I'm absolutely positive they wouldn't give orcs to the Alliance.

So that means get ready for Alliance orcs, because every single thing I've thought Blizzard wouldn't do with allied races has turned out to be completely happening.
We have entered the era of Dark Bor.
The day Saurfang, or any Orc joins the Alliance is the day I seriously start contemplating if WoW is worth playing anymore.

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