Remove titanforging and scale lfr back.P3

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2 capped threads and a third one on the way.

10/10 master troll. You really know how to push GD's buttons.
I don't get the whole special snowflake thing this community keeps crying about. Who cares what ilvl rewards an LFR player can get? Don't you want a bigger pool of players with more competitive gear so you can do larger group content more often? Especially in a dwindling subscription base environment.

If you think you're so great at the game why don't you prove it? Show me how you "earned" your mythic gear by being a better player than those mere LFR "peasants". By all means, go into a mythic RAID with people who have never done a mythic raid in their life. Show me how easy it is to do the content.

Prove that you were not carried by just being friends with the right players. Prove that you alone are the reason your raids are successful. Otherwise shut the hell up. You earned NOTHING on your own if it has the "mythic" raid brand on your gear. This game doesn't allow a single person to carry their groups to guarantee success. It's mathematically impossible.

Put me in a group that has mythic content on farm and we'll clear it all in one night. Why should I be denied the chance at having useful gear just because I'm also denied the chance to prove myself because I'm not willing to submit resume's to join guilds and pay for server transfers to join them?

Treating LFR players like trash and giving them trash rewards is what brought this games subscription base from a high 12million players to a pathetic 5 million (and falling, they then started hiding the number) players. So listening to people like the TC is a very unwise thing to do.
02/18/2018 05:55 AMPosted by Valadus
2 capped threads and a third one on the way.

10/10 master troll. You really know how to push GD's buttons.


He really is, especially now he is being relatively polite about it. Bet he surprised himself at how effective polite trolling is.
02/18/2018 05:51 AMPosted by Willkiller
Let me break it down for you, since you don't seem to get that the numbers disprove your argument.

What is inflating the ilvls is the 2 legendary pieces and the artifact as well as the ease of acquisition of 930 base gear, nothing to do with LFR.

There are 3 sources of 930 gear, none of which are difficult to do, which makes it the easiest to get. Even over LFR gear.

In other words, you are shooting at the wrong target.


While I am not a fan of world bosses I can understand the want for a few free pieces of gear. The issue I have is how it becomes the most effective way to gear. Barring of course getting carried or finding a guild group of fresh 110s to knock out mythic plus.

It along with other catch up systems don't really add anything to the game they just create a wall to joining group content.
02/18/2018 06:59 AMPosted by Primalmatter
It along with other catch up systems don't really add anything to the game they just create a wall to joining group content.

And despite three threads now, you still haven't managed to prove this claim at all. It's just something you made up so you could deflect away from your anti-casual stance.
02/18/2018 07:54 AMPosted by Rankin
02/18/2018 06:59 AMPosted by Primalmatter
It along with other catch up systems don't really add anything to the game they just create a wall to joining group content.

And despite three threads now, you still haven't managed to prove this claim at all. It's just something you made up so you could deflect away from your anti-casual stance.


What part of it is anti casual again? My promoting gearing in hour long dungeons tops over lfr?

O yes how anti casual.
Look I'd rather have all items that drop have the ability to scale 15 item levels above its original drop. The only way you can increase its item level is through random token drops. You put the tokens you get towards certain items you wish to scale up. Every token increases the item level by five points. Kind of like a version of the pantheon trinkets from argus but downsized and tokens can drop from anything.
02/17/2018 03:41 PMPosted by Gryphandor
It ruined entry into normal raiding. The bar got set so high normal decent players that know how to play can't even get a raid slot. They almost have to do LFR on purpose at this point. It's crazy!


It's the opposite, if you raid with a guild.

If, as the complainers are saying, people compulsively run lower difficulty content on the off chance that highly titanforged gear will drop, then that means those runs are generating a constant stream of less -forged (or unforged) gear. That gear either gets sharded or (as Blizzard undoubtedly intended) can be funneled to carries, for catchup.

Carries are one of the major motivations for the -forging system.
02/17/2018 05:08 PMPosted by Jaewalk
The anti-TF argument is a virulent combination of mathematical illiteracy and elitist douchebaggery.

I've been quoted! I got an infraction for saying that on MMO-C though.
02/18/2018 08:22 AMPosted by Osmeric
02/17/2018 05:08 PMPosted by Jaewalk
The anti-TF argument is a virulent combination of mathematical illiteracy and elitist douchebaggery.

I've been quoted! I got an infraction for saying that on MMO-C though.


Osmeric? They told me you died!

I am not entirely sure the titanforge system drives carries but I have been out of the loop when it comes to that this expansion.
Don't see anything wrong with it and I mythic raid. Sure mythic could give out a higher ilvl than tf cap but you do it for the achievement nowadays not the gear.

Gearing alts is a lot easier with TF and some top M+ers don't mythic raid, if TF was entirely removed they would have to raid mythic to push 23+ keystones, just to compete with others queueing for groups. I don't want to have to mythic raid on two toons just to push keys on both and neither does the next guy.

Also, it's pretty obvious how boring the game would be without TF, all the thinngs rewarding low gear would not be worth doing and you'd just log in less and less as there is less to do as your ilvl goes up.
Really a part 3? I know you hate fun but really?

This the true meaning of entitlement and whining when the same poster spam the same crap over and over about why ONLY raiders should have epics. Most of the player base not even at 961 but that not enough huh?

I guess you wont be happy till players run around in clown suits of mixed green and blue gear again.
02/17/2018 07:42 AMPosted by Primalmatter
02/17/2018 07:35 AMPosted by Bloodrend
Got a titanforged helm today op. Are you and the tauren warrior going to cry lol.


I don't see why I would. You cheapened your own game in the relentless farming of trivial content to outgear future content.

I think this is the main crux. I don't care about players not directly it is the indirect effects of loot being showered everywhere that effect me and it is what I want to address. You can be ilv 1 to 1000 it won't effect me beyond if I deny you into a group or not.

What it does effect is the pacing of the game. This isn't about your ego but how to make a experience that flows properly.


This is elitism, disguised as concern for gameplay....lulz...pacing of the game. (if you dont do lfr it wont effect your pacing...problem solved). STOP CARING ABOUT HOW SOMEONE GOT THEIR COOKIE AND ENJOY YOUR OWN COOKIE..

If you got your pixels from harder content, the ability to do so and luck in getting the drop is its own reward...be satisfied not jelly because someone that plays the game different than you got something close to it by doing lfr and getting lucky on a TF....who cares (well obviously someone that can't lord their gear over someone else does..but thats not what this post is about RIGHT?!?!)

go home.
02/18/2018 08:00 AMPosted by Primalmatter
What part of it is anti casual again? My promoting gearing in hour long dungeons tops over lfr?

O yes how anti casual.

The part where you attack content done by casual players without proving that anything actually needs to change.
02/18/2018 07:54 AMPosted by Rankin
02/18/2018 06:59 AMPosted by Primalmatter
It along with other catch up systems don't really add anything to the game they just create a wall to joining group content.

And despite three threads now, you still haven't managed to prove this claim at all. It's just something you made up so you could deflect away from your anti-casual stance.


You and the other LFR defenders always complain about these posts, yet here you are posting the same canned responses now for over 3 threads. If this a trolling then stop feeding the troll, because you people are just as bad as the OP spewing the same responses over and over and over and over and over.
If titanforging went away. I can promise you the game would not be any different then it is now.

Mythic raiders will still be mythic raiders
Heroic raiders will still be heroic raiders
Lfr raiders will still be lfr raiders

But Obtaining a heroic piece of gear will have more value because it will no longer have a chance to titanforge up to a mythic piece of gear or better.

There have to be better ways to obtain replayability rather than a hamster wheel you run on with the chance every time you pull a lever to obtain better loot.
Give us more affixes, more world wide events, world PvP events, more ways for max level players to go into older dungeons with more affixes or deadlier enemies.
More single player challenge modes.

Please no more rng on top of rng I can't work towards a goal, I can't build towards a goal with rngesus in the way.
02/18/2018 09:39 AMPosted by Rankin
02/18/2018 08:00 AMPosted by Primalmatter
What part of it is anti casual again? My promoting gearing in hour long dungeons tops over lfr?

O yes how anti casual.

The part where you attack content done by casual players without proving that anything actually needs to change.


What content is that? The really time consuming one with long queues for most specs?

That is the casual content I am attacking?
Getting really burned out on rolling low dices in this Titanforge casino so I agree to either remove it completely or placing a hard cap somewhere at minimum.
02/18/2018 08:00 AMPosted by Primalmatter
O yes how anti casual.


Yes it is..

What is wrong with some casual player getting a piece or two of slightly better gear?

Are you so selfish and insecure that you would deny another person a little good fortune and joy?
Constantly repeating the same gripe isn't going to magically make everyone agree with your "ideas", so you'd do everyone a favor by letting it die.

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