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IF UA Stacking is staying which I hate -want this clear as day (absolutely hate and want it gone. it creates like 90% of the issues that affliction has in PVE and in PVP) its what stops us from being a rot spec - its a burst mechanic not rot.

How to fix UA if it has to stay -
leave it at 5 shards max per player
3 stacks total on a single target
Make the first application of UA on a target be long duration have max possible damage and max possible dispel damage -
2nd and 3 applications applied reduce the time of the dot and cause the removed ticks to hit for that damage instantly as shadow damage -

THIS allows the dot to work as a dispel protection with just 1 application
But still allows the dot to work for bursting and have a stacking mechanic that they love.
nothing new so far, blizzard still given warlocks the special nerf treatment with no communication at all.
There has to be some news coming soon because so far Aff has got 2 new traits, the one that does dmg when we reapply dots near the end of durations and the soul harvest increase during fear trait which I’m pretty sure is gonna be a minor trait.

At the very least there’s no way we go into 8.1 with just those 2 new traits for affliction. Hopefully we get more mentioned soon and some actual class changes along with it
i hate the fact that blizzard will trye to fix warlocks with azerite traits instead of fixing the real issues!
10/30/2018 12:51 PMPosted by Yatogami
There has to be some news coming soon because so far Aff has got 2 new traits, the one that does dmg when we reapply dots near the end of durations and the soul harvest increase during fear trait which I’m pretty sure is gonna be a minor trait.

At the very least there’s no way we go into 8.1 with just those 2 new traits for affliction. Hopefully we get more mentioned soon and some actual class changes along with it


Would be nice. But after what happened with Shadow Priests and Voidform I think they want to embrace the current designs and double down. It's sad because UA stacking feels awful in a lot of situations and there are a lot of dead talents/honor talents but yeah we haven't really seen any concrete evidence that they want to truly fix things.
Be happy you even got that, they're not even trying with demonology.
Thought blizzard was going to take a look at affliction and change us to a more multi-dot focused spec. Where are the changes?
10/30/2018 08:15 PMPosted by Deacar
Thought blizzard was going to take a look at affliction and change us to a more multi-dot focused spec. Where are the changes?

Coming soon™.
10/30/2018 09:29 PMPosted by Sucy
10/30/2018 08:15 PMPosted by Deacar
Thought blizzard was going to take a look at affliction and change us to a more multi-dot focused spec. Where are the changes?

Coming soon™.


9.0?
Whats the point in bring back Drain Soul and Nightfall when Deathbolt outclasses it in both performance and scaling.
10/30/2018 10:35 PMPosted by Malyx
Whats the point in bring back Drain Soul and Nightfall when Deathbolt outclasses it in both performance and scaling.


to give the illusion that we got options....lol
10/30/2018 11:14 PMPosted by Ojoverde
10/30/2018 10:35 PMPosted by Malyx
Whats the point in bring back Drain Soul and Nightfall when Deathbolt outclasses it in both performance and scaling.


to give the illusion that we got options....lol


Isn't this pretty much BFA?

"You can target which azerite you want!"

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Item level increases should feel like an upgrade!

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New ptr build dropped last night

Zero warlock changes
10/31/2018 05:29 AMPosted by Yatogami
New ptr build dropped last night

Zero warlock changes


Months of feedback might yield nothing but passive HP and armor. Pretty sad.
Last post in June, it's November.

Poor Warlocks
TL:DR; Warlocks are good enough from the dev team's perspective as best I can tell, they have no intention of making changes in the foreseeable future.

I've refrained from posting because it just turns into thread bumps for no reason. So this will be my last post for awhile unless there are changes or I have something worthwhile to say.

At this point I'm getting the feeling that blizz considers warlocks 'done enough' in comparison to other classes that are hurting more. Given that we seem to be literally lowest priority among casters (and probably in general). I doubt we'll see anything in the foreseeable future at least for 8.1 if not 8.2. Normally I would have expected a balancing meta with the new raids but I'm not seeing that. They seem to be focusing on tuning warlocks via our azerite traits (ugggg) rather than the core fixes that are actually necessary.

I suspect this is because Azerite makes metas almost impossible to properly tune for if you change the underlying setup. thus blizz is focusing on tuning each spec for a few 'expected' metas with Azerite, knowing full well the rest are garbage.
10/31/2018 11:36 AMPosted by Jessail
in comparison to other classes that are hurting more


This is not a thing. Warlocks are the worst class in the game by no small margin.
What do you all think of something like this. for a fix for UA stacking since they will double down and not remove it.

That's why I'm gonna start offering up idea's on how to fix it.

Unstable Affliciton Costs 1 shard - UA duration is unaffected by haste effects. haste increases tick rate and amount of ticks
Lasts 25secs - Deals x total Damage and if dispelled does x total damage
Applying UA again (up to 4 times) reduces the duration by 5 seconds and deals 5 secs worth of damage as instant shadow damage.

UA - Stacking/Spamming stays
UA - Azerite Traits still work
UA - PVP Dispel Protection is fixed - also reapplying 1 UA vs 5 during PVP is doable with our current survival levels.
UA - can be both burst and ROT with this design.
NO changes to soul shards needed and afflictions basically plays the exact same way.
Deathbolt and Darkglare are still good but less attractive something most people want to see.
Puts damage back into the dots and focus on maintenance.
Affliction Warlock:

1- Low Survivability at its core. Blizz's solution: Bandaid PvP talent that takes a PvP talent slot, and maybe it will not be enough. Other classes' like Shadow Priests and Moonkins = baseline mitigation.

2- "The" DoT class has mediocre spread Rot damage, and has DoTs that are inferior to other classes'. Timers are too short, damage is laughable outside UA stacking. UA dispel is a joke without stacking, and there are too many DoT removals in the game. Blizz's solution so far = nothing.

3- Null mobility. We need a usable snare (not that joke that is the Sucubbus), so we can make use of our (2) Gap Openers and breath for like a second or 2 before the enemy closes in again with their superior number of Gap Closers. Blizz's solution so far = nothing.

As you clearly don't know wtf you are doing, You could just give us Wrath's, Cata's or MoP's version of Affliction. It's WAY better than the current joke that your incompetence provided for the Warlock players.
If nothing is going to be done with UA stacking, can we at least look at honor talents like Endless Affliction?

I don’t even know where offensive honor talents fit in right now for Affliction because our defense is so bad we can’t afford to take any and will be limited to 2 with Demon Armor but Endless Affliction is a dead talent and has been since early in Legion.

I’m amazed that it has not been changed or improved.

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