What's the plan for Epic Battlegrounds?

War Mode and World PvP
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Repost from the Alpha forums

For those that haven't noticed, Alterac Valley and Isle of Conquest have now moved to their own separate queue and out of the Random Battleground bonus queue.

I was hoping to encourage some discussion on what the design intention is here?

Here was the talk many years ago when War Campaigns were first talked about which saw a similar type of structure:

Our current thinking is to move the big BGs (AV, IoC) into their own list. Perhaps re-tune WG and TB as well. Make this list about long epic fights that go on for an hour or more. https://twitter.com/holinka/status/321508685744590849

Is this still the design intention? If so, that sounds GREAT and I think that would be a lot of fun. I'd welcome the opportunity to regularly play Wintergrasp and Tol Barad again. Even if those two don't join, I'd love a more warfare-type Alterac or Isle where PvP is more at the focus rather than the PvE zergs they are currently.

If the idea is not about revamping them, I'm concerned this is just removing them from the normal battleground rotation, freeing up two blacklist slots (meaning higher queue times for everyone as more blacklisting combinations open up) and effectively "killing" them off as I imagine they would have longer queue times than the normal battleground queue.
Separating AV and IoC is disturbing to me on it's own, as it may have long queue times. Combining it with some redesigned World PvP zones does make it sound more appealing though, and may attract more people to queue for the large battlegrounds. I would love a balanced WG return.
I honestly think a revamp of (AV at least) into something more along the lines of "BG Warfront" mix as in remove the reinforcements completely, and just have the whole loot stuff in, but use the UI from the warfronts for stuff like upgrading troops or sending troops over.
To me large battlegrounds are nothing but a waste of time, the less players per bg the better, that way it's more on you and your squad to decide the game and less pot luck flip a coin type deal. So i couldn't be happier that large bgs have recieved this treatment.

Thumbs up to from me to large bg queue being separated.
Hopefully they will try to develop them if they get their own queue. At least a separate queue frees up two blacklists though.
Our thoughts are that queuing for a large battleground like Alterac Valley or Isle of Conquest is opting-in for a different experience than all the other battlegrounds, in the sense of the larger 40 vs 40 scale and the longer duration time. That's the main motivator for moving them to a separate queue.

While we have no immediate plans to change the gameplay of AV or IoC, its not out of the realm of possibility. Certainly with them being in their own queue gives us the opportunity to tweak them separately. We also would like to re-introduce other larger scale maps from the past into the playlist over time.
04/24/2018 09:00 PMPosted by Phalanx
We also would like to re-introduce other larger scale maps from the past into the playlist over time.


I would really like this. I like the way AV works, so I hope we'll be seeing more like this one.
04/24/2018 09:00 PMPosted by Phalanx
Our thoughts are that queuing for a large battleground like Alterac Valley or Isle of Conquest is opting-in for a different experience than all the other battlegrounds, in the sense of the larger 40 vs 40 scale and the longer duration time. That's the main motivator for moving them to a separate queue.

While we have no immediate plans to change the gameplay of AV or IoC, its not out of the realm of possibility. Certainly with them being in their own queue gives us the opportunity to tweak them separately. We also would like to re-introduce other larger scale maps from the past into the playlist over time.


REWORKED TOL BARAD ASHRAN, WINTERGRASP CONFIRMED WOOP WOOP!
04/24/2018 10:41 PMPosted by Erigoras
04/24/2018 09:00 PMPosted by Phalanx
Our thoughts are that queuing for a large battleground like Alterac Valley or Isle of Conquest is opting-in for a different experience than all the other battlegrounds, in the sense of the larger 40 vs 40 scale and the longer duration time. That's the main motivator for moving them to a separate queue.

While we have no immediate plans to change the gameplay of AV or IoC, its not out of the realm of possibility. Certainly with them being in their own queue gives us the opportunity to tweak them separately. We also would like to re-introduce other larger scale maps from the past into the playlist over time.


REWORKED TOL BARAD ASHRAN, WINTERGRASP CONFIRMED WOOP WOOP!


And The battle of soutshore!
Omggh are you telling me I can queue WG and hear that amazing music all the time!? :D!!!!!
WG was some of my favorite game play of all time. TB was fun too. Ashran not as much. I still que for AV specifically every once in a while. Also, bring back highmaul coliseum. Thanks!
04/24/2018 09:00 PMPosted by Phalanx
We also would like to re-introduce other larger scale maps from the past into the playlist over time.


Hopeful news! Get Winterspring and Tol Barad in that playlist.
04/24/2018 09:00 PMPosted by Phalanx
Our thoughts are that queuing for a large battleground like Alterac Valley or Isle of Conquest is opting-in for a different experience than all the other battlegrounds, in the sense of the larger 40 vs 40 scale and the longer duration time. That's the main motivator for moving them to a separate queue.

While we have no immediate plans to change the gameplay of AV or IoC, its not out of the realm of possibility. Certainly with them being in their own queue gives us the opportunity to tweak them separately. We also would like to re-introduce other larger scale maps from the past into the playlist over time.


Your post doesn't have a like button. Is that intentional?
04/24/2018 09:00 PMPosted by Phalanx
We also would like to re-introduce other larger scale maps from the past into the playlist over time.


AV
IOC
SS vs TM
Told Bard
Wintergrasp
Ashran

Please. A one stop shop for large-scale PvP.

Allow raids to que.

Specific/Random with maybe one blacklist vote.
Maybe an instanced version of Halaa or one of the TBC areas?
04/24/2018 09:00 PMPosted by Phalanx
Our thoughts are that queuing for a large battleground like Alterac Valley or Isle of Conquest is opting-in for a different experience than all the other battlegrounds, in the sense of the larger 40 vs 40 scale and the longer duration time. That's the main motivator for moving them to a separate queue.

While we have no immediate plans to change the gameplay of AV or IoC, its not out of the realm of possibility. Certainly with them being in their own queue gives us the opportunity to tweak them separately. We also would like to re-introduce other larger scale maps from the past into the playlist over time.


This is great news! My concerns are:

- What are the incentives to queue for large battlegrounds over smaller ones?
If they are indeed longer, rewards should be higher to incentivize. I fear with the same reward as normal battlegrounds and the common misconception of imbalance, Horde players just won't queue, resulting in really long queue times.

- Scaling
If they are intended to be a different experience by being larger (check) and longer (not-so-check - they only have the possibility of being longer), will the numbers of the maps be looked at to make sure they are providing that experience? Currently both maps can certainly be longer, but they can also be over in 10 minutes. The longer games are more fun and this can mostly be achieved by number tweaking?

- Specific queue
Are we able to still specifically queue for these battlegrounds? You can still queue for AV on Beta, but IoC is gone --- as is Strand of the Ancients (is this one being removed?)
04/24/2018 09:00 PMPosted by Phalanx
While we have no immediate plans to change the gameplay of AV or IoC, its not out of the realm of possibility.

Are you guys taking additional steps to limit players who purposefully circumvent the premade group size limit?

They sync their queues over voice chat and only zone in if their queues all pop at the same time. They'll keep dropping queues and requeuing until this happens.

That's how they get their premade raids into AV/IOC and then roflstomp the other team.
04/25/2018 06:22 AMPosted by Felryn
Maybe an instanced version of Halaa or one of the TBC areas?


My guuuuuuy
Whats the plan for Ashran? Is it being included?
04/25/2018 06:10 PMPosted by Tremblade
Whats the plan for Ashran? Is it being included?


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