The new Guild UI and Permissions...yikes

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*ba-whap!*
"Indifference and neglect often do much more damage than outright dislike." --Albus Dumbledore

It's been 96 pages (and counting) of feedback, no official response since August...
And even then it showed indifference.

Ion asked for feedback--neglecting to acknowledge the plethora we have already provided...

And still, my Guild Controls are Broken.
Hey! I found a post that sort of sounds like they're in favor of the changes (still page 37):
07/28/2018 04:51 PMPosted by Panakeia
The old system just seems like micro managing to me. More suitable for power hungry GMs. Guilds should be more intimate and based more around trust. Communities are the way of the future for the pug community.
True, the character isn't a guild master and the player seems more interested in pugs than guild events. I wonder if this is actually the dev that thought combining all the permissions was a good idea? If so, it definitely sounds like he/she has a problem with guilds and their "power hungry" GMs.

Anyway, here's a counter-argument (same page):
07/28/2018 08:04 PMPosted by Æthelwulf
Communities may indeed be the way of the future for pugs. But Communities are not guilds. Guilds have different needs than do Communities and the conversation at hand is about guilds.

The old system was indeed a management system for the guild (far from creating micro managers (you generally bring that to the table with you when you join a guild)) it allowed Guild Masters the fine grained control necessary to assign specific guild ranks precise duties and the tools necessary to perform specific functions within the guild. It followed the Principle of Least Privilege (which if you have read this thread you have seen some of us myself included nearly write dissertations on why that kind of control is necessary) which was a good thing and made our job easier. The new changes to permissions have caused vast problems for GM's which, given the current state of guilds across the gamut in Azeroth, is the one thing that should not have been caused. The last thing on earth a guild master needed right now was for Blizzard to CAUSE problems for them.

The absolute best thing that can be done is for Blizzard to see this thread acknowledge the issue as an issue and put it on the priority list of items to hotfix asap. Anything less is frankly not acceptable and will cause an increased risk of guilds disbanding and subscribers and token purchaser to simply walk away.
Same old....same old situation...

It's the same old...same old ball and chain...

Blizz...the itch is coming back...

Throw us a bone here!
Maybe we're all misinterpreting the sort of feedback they're looking for?

I enjoy ugly sweaters and Vietnamese food.
If we could infiltrate BlizzCon somehow...hmmm...

Pretty sure that's where 99.9% of their attention is focused now. Anyone on this thread going? Get us noticed during Q&A? Kinda sounds like a job when you're trying to have fun I know but....anyone going? :)
10/17/2018 03:43 PMPosted by Dlaciabia
Maybe we're all misinterpreting the sort of feedback they're looking for?

I enjoy ugly sweaters and Vietnamese food.


I personally like loose t-shirts and beef chow-fun slathered in gravy.
Ok this is a huge issue three months on but can anyways tell me what specifically in the Guild Control options for Officers it shows a checkmark for Guildchat Speak. What is this function for? I can't find any type of Guide or FAQ or explanation for this specific control.

I completely agree the UI is limited and doesn't give an opportunity to enrich the guild leadership/member experience the way it used to. Change can be great but only if it positively improves the overall outcome but this sure doesn't seem to be that.
The absolute best thing that can be done is for Blizzard to see this thread acknowledge the issue as an issue and put it on the priority list of items to hotfix asap. Anything less is frankly not acceptable and will cause an increased risk of guilds disbanding and subscribers and token purchaser to simply walk away.


Here's some song lyrics for ya Blizz.

No change of lyrics is need.

Mostly...

I'll leave those few changes to them who know how

In the meantime:

You keep saying you got something for me
Something you call love but confess
You've been a'messin' where you shouldn't 've been a'messin'
And now someone else is getting all your best
These boots are made for walking
And that's just what they'll do
One of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you

You keep lyin' when you oughta be truthin'
You keep losing when you oughta not bet
You keep samin' when you oughta be a'changin'
Now what's right is right but you ain't been right yet
These boots are made for walking
And that's just what they'll do
One of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you

You keep playing where you shouldn't be playing
And you keep thinking that you'll never get burnt (HAH)
I just found me a brand new box of matches (YEAH)
And what he knows you ain't had time to learn
These boots are made for walking,
And that's just what they'll do
One of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you

Are you ready, boots? Start walkin'
10/18/2018 04:54 AMPosted by Druunah
The absolute best thing that can be done is for Blizzard to see this thread acknowledge the issue as an issue and put it on the priority list of items to hotfix asap. Anything less is frankly not acceptable and will cause an increased risk of guilds disbanding and subscribers and token purchaser to simply walk away.


Here's some song lyrics for ya Blizz.

No change of lyrics is need.

Mostly...

I'll leave those few changes to them who know how

In the meantime:

You keep saying you got something for me
Something you call love but confess
You've been a'messin' where you shouldn't 've been a'messin'
And now someone else is getting all your best
These boots are made for walking
And that's just what they'll do
One of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you

You keep lyin' when you oughta be truthin'
You keep losing when you oughta not bet
You keep samin' when you oughta be a'changin'
Now what's right is right but you ain't been right yet
These boots are made for walking
And that's just what they'll do
One of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you

You keep playing where you shouldn't be playing
And you keep thinking that you'll never get burnt (HAH)
I just found me a brand new box of matches (YEAH)
And what he knows you ain't had time to learn
These boots are made for walking,
And that's just what they'll do
One of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you

Are you ready, boots? Start walkin'


What have I done...Mwahahahahaha!!!
Bump...
4 months later.
Nothing is going to change. Why you guys even keep bumping this thread is beyond me. The only reason they even upped the allowed post count on this thread is so you keep posting here instead of dozens of different threads.
Bump!
Honestly, i do not really think anything but it saving chat is really any better than what we had before.
But it lags out the first time i open it, That did not happen before the change.
So i think it was just a change, that made the entire thing worse.
10/18/2018 12:38 PMPosted by Delirium
Bump!


The helmet change in your avatar is very unsettling lol.
10/18/2018 10:39 AMPosted by Venjin
What have I done...Mwahahahahaha!!!


I was only dipping my toes into the world of song parody.

I'll leave all (most) future attempts at musical humor to the pros.

;)
10/18/2018 12:02 PMPosted by Isthranstaul
Why you guys even keep bumping this thread is beyond me.


We want our guild control back.
Here is a disappointed but optimistic poster (from page 37):
07/28/2018 10:54 PMPosted by Kohmet
Just finished our guild planning session for BFA. This directly impacted our planning for ranks although bank permissions seem to still be intact which was a bonus. One of several issues that popped up was the inability delegate who can create guild events on the calendar along with some issues about voice channels and communities tying back to the guild.

I am thinking back to the Blizzcon 2017 systems panel where the changes were first covered by Matt Goss. I was really excited at the time because I thought the new system would bring enhancements and greater functionality to the guild system instead of stripping away what little, old functionality we had at the time.

Here's to you old guild system!
/libation

Hopefully we'll see some innovation spring from this opportunity.
I would like to think the fix will include innovation. It's the only explanation I can think of for why it's taken so long. Well, not the only explanation, but I'm an optimist, too (most of the time).
Not gonna make this thread 100 like this!

Let's go people! :)

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