Premade Matchmaking in Random BGs

Battlegrounds
07/24/2018 06:21 PMPosted by Forums
How do you know those healers were a premade on your team ?

Well, we brought a healer.

And our bg team ended up having one more healer than the other team.

Coincidence?

I think not.


It happens your team was more skilled then the team you were facing. You can have 3 of the best heals in the world on one team and can still lose if no one does objectives.

Ive been in matches where my team has more heals and still lost . It happens.
07/24/2018 06:31 PMPosted by Kitanana
It happens your team was more skilled then the team you were facing.

Yes. The premade helped tip the skill advantage towards one team.

I'm suggesting that Blizzard adds a hidden MMR to random bgs, so teams will be closer in terms of skill.
07/24/2018 06:21 PMPosted by Herc
The scoreboard reflects nothing except who won.
07/24/2018 06:21 PMPosted by Herc
We have no way of telling whether teams were fair.
Umm... Did you see the HK difference between the two teams?

Yes.
But unfortunately I did not see the match as it happened. I have no idea what happened or who did what or why.

07/24/2018 06:27 PMPosted by Forums
Keep it simple.

Let the hidden MMR function the same way as it does in rated PvP, but keep the rating hidden so players don't get upset over it.

Doesn't work.
Randoms are not like rated. At all. Not even close. There is no way to score people in randoms.
07/24/2018 06:40 PMPosted by Forums
07/24/2018 06:31 PMPosted by Kitanana
It happens your team was more skilled then the team you were facing.

Yes. The premade helped tip the skill advantage towards one team.

I'm suggesting that Blizzard adds a hidden MMR to random bgs, so teams will be closer in terms of skill.


I disagree , I would like to keep randoms for what they are randoms.

I do not think there would be a correct way for blizz to go about this ? How would they give out this hidden mmr ?
07/24/2018 06:40 PMPosted by Herc
There is no way to score people in randoms.
07/24/2018 06:43 PMPosted by Kitanana
How would they give out this hidden mmr ?

If your team wins, your rating goes up.

If your team loses, your rating goes down.

The amount your rating changes depends on the average MMR of your team vs. the other team.

The value will be hidden so players don't obsess over it. It's there to help the system improve its matchmaking.
07/24/2018 06:49 PMPosted by Forums
If your team wins, your rating goes up.

If your team loses, your rating goes down.

The amount your rating changes depends on the average MMR of your team vs. the other team.

Randoms. Are. Not. Like. Rated.
People in randoms do not all have the same goals and objectives.
Some people are there to win. Some are there to try a new spec, class, gear, whatever. Some are just there to afk and hope for a win for free essences. And so on.
Giving people rating based on a game mode full of people with differing reasons for being there will not work.

If you want to play a game where you are given rating then... play rated.
07/24/2018 06:49 PMPosted by Forums
07/24/2018 06:40 PMPosted by Herc
There is no way to score people in randoms.
07/24/2018 06:43 PMPosted by Kitanana
How would they give out this hidden mmr ?

If your team wins, your rating goes up.

If your team loses, your rating goes down.

The amount your rating changes depends on the average MMR of your team vs. the other team.

The value will be hidden so players don't obsess over it. It's there to help the system improve its matchmaking.


I do not see a need for this mmr .Why not just go play rated bgs then if you want to make sure you win?

It i very simple all last month i was busy creating weekly cap runs in LFG. Its not hard and you are incharge of your group. There is even communities now. Like , there is no excuse for others to complain about losing all the time . If you want pure wins and have an mmr that matters do rated.
07/24/2018 06:52 PMPosted by Herc
If you want to play a game where you are given rating then... play rated.

The rating would be hidden.

You would never see it.

It's just there to help the system improve its matchmaking.
07/24/2018 07:50 PMPosted by Forums
07/24/2018 06:52 PMPosted by Herc
If you want to play a game where you are given rating then... play rated.

The rating would be hidden.

You would never see it.

It's just there to help the system improve its matchmaking.

https://i.imgur.com/Rf3VF5x.jpg
07/24/2018 07:40 PMPosted by Kitanana
I do not see a need for this mmr .
The hidden MMR is meant to help the system improve its matchmaking, so games are more fair.

It's the same reason why they try to match premades and healers in random bgs.

07/24/2018 07:40 PMPosted by Kitanana
Why not just go play rated bgs then if you want to make sure you win?
...

How would a hidden MMR ensure my victory?
07/24/2018 07:50 PMPosted by Forums
07/24/2018 06:52 PMPosted by Herc
If you want to play a game where you are given rating then... play rated.

The rating would be hidden.

You would never see it.

It's just there to help the system improve its matchmaking.


07/24/2018 07:54 PMPosted by Forums
07/24/2018 07:40 PMPosted by Kitanana
I do not see a need for this mmr .
The hidden MMR is meant to help the system improve its matchmaking, so games are more fair.

It's the same reason why they try to match premades and healers in random bgs.

07/24/2018 07:40 PMPosted by Kitanana
Why not just go play rated bgs then if you want to make sure you win?
...

How would a hidden MMR ensure my victory?


This defeats the main purpose of casual and random bgs though. If you want fair matches with mmr do rated .
07/24/2018 07:54 PMPosted by Kitanana
This defeats the main purpose of casual and random bgs though.

What is the main purpose of casual and random bgs?
07/24/2018 07:54 PMPosted by Forums
How would a hidden MMR ensure my victory?

It doesn't.
The same way that premades don't ensure anything.

Aside from the fact that randoms cannot be rated, a hidden mmr wouldnt solve anything at all about premades, which was the whole point of this thread. If the complaint about premades is that they're in voice comms and working together and give an unfair advantage against solo queue then all of that is still going to happen regardless of some hidden mmr.

07/24/2018 07:59 PMPosted by Forums
07/24/2018 07:54 PMPosted by Kitanana
This defeats the main purpose of casual and random bgs though.

What is the main purpose of casual and random bgs?

To jump into a game without needing to go through the time and effort of finding people to play with.
That's literally the reason that the whole "lfr/lfg" system was created. It wasn't to deter people from joining games together or to create "hidden" mmr so that some baddies won't feel bad when they get destroyed by obviously better players/teams.
07/24/2018 07:59 PMPosted by Forums
07/24/2018 07:54 PMPosted by Kitanana
This defeats the main purpose of casual and random bgs though.

What is the main purpose of casual and random bgs?


To have fun and learn new classes and specs . To have fun with guildies /friends . To relax .
A hidden MMR wouldn't work. You just have to spend 5 mins on this forum to see why.

If it was implemented the complaining and whining would increase tenfold.

Why are I losing all the time?

Why does my team suck?

Why am I waiting 15 mins for a game?

The healers on my team suck.

We have no healers on our team.

It's bad enough now that players complain about the MMO in MMORPG.
07/24/2018 08:02 PMPosted by Kitanana
07/24/2018 07:59 PMPosted by Forums
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What is the main purpose of casual and random bgs?

To have fun and learn new classes and specs . To have fun with guildies /friends . To relax .

How would a completely hidden MMR prevent you from having fun and learning new classes and specs, and having fun with guildies and friends, and relax?
07/24/2018 08:03 PMPosted by Floyln
Why are I losing all the time?
If you're losing all the time, your hidden MMR would drop. Eventually, you'd be facing teams with really noob players.

07/24/2018 08:03 PMPosted by Floyln
Why am I waiting 15 mins for a game?
They could tune the matchmaking and give it more leeway so it doesn't explode the queue.
If they added mmr then people will find a way to abuse it.
07/24/2018 08:10 PMPosted by Forums
07/24/2018 08:03 PMPosted by Floyln
Why are I losing all the time?
If you're losing all the time, your hidden MMR would drop. Eventually, you'd be facing teams with really noob players.

07/24/2018 08:03 PMPosted by Floyln
Why am I waiting 15 mins for a game?
They could tune the matchmaking and give it more leeway so it doesn't explode the queue.


Lol then you are back to square one. A 1600 mmr team will be matched against a 2k team and you get curb stomped.

Imagine being a new player and constantly grouped with other back pedalers and never seeing good players to mold your gameplay by.
07/24/2018 08:06 PMPosted by Forums
07/24/2018 08:02 PMPosted by Kitanana
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To have fun and learn new classes and specs . To have fun with guildies /friends . To relax .

How would a completely hidden MMR prevent you from having fun and learning new classes and specs, and having fun with guildies and friends, and relax?


How would a completely hidden MMR prevent premades?

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