Horde Thoughts?

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Alliance, circa Warcraft 3: "We will eliminate the Horde races to the last child, wherever they may hide!"

Alliance, circa World of Warcraft: "Kill every last one of them! Burn their taint from OUR lands!"

Alliance, Circa Burning Crusades: "We will kill them, even in their homelands!"

Alliance, in regards to undead: "They are no longer our brethren and neighbors. They are monstrosities which must be destroyed!"

Alliance, in regards to Deathknights (undead, but with special powers): "Join us, brothers, you're not our enemy, the Lich King is!"

Alliance, circa Cataclysm: "We can finally kill of that horrid Orc, Thrall. Our allying with his kind to stop the cataclysm is the perfect guise to end him!" And, "There must be no witnesses to our treachery. Sink that civilian vessel full of refugees immediately!"

Alliance, circa Pandaria: "OOOH! A new giant turtle land we can eradicate the Horde on!"

Alliance, circa Warlords of Draenor: "Forget the threat Gul'dan poses, let's just kill the horde! But make it look like we are trying for peace."

Alliance, circa Legion: "The evil Horde abandoned us! (Actually, we were forced to retreat from a battle we could not win, after our Warchief had fallen.) Let's continue to befriend them, but then ambush their warfleet at Stormheim!"

Alliance, circa Battle for Azeroth: "Destroying a key military position of strategic value is genocide, you monsters! Yes, we could have evacuated the civilians, knowing they would be in harm's way, and, yes, we even had vessels in the vicinity that could have done so, but, but, GENOCIDE, you big meanies! How dare you strike against us!"
Is this even still IC?
I like being in the proactive faction but sometimes it can get a little to active.
07/31/2018 11:52 PMPosted by Cannibal
Utter shame. Cannibal has defected.


Can you please reconcile how an Orc fury warrior named Cannibal is the kind of person to have an issue with some elves losing their home? People who eat other people arent exactly known for their insight.
*Cailean munches on a bag of popcorn.*
"I hope the rest of the war is like the burnin' of Teldrassil. I wanna see Stormwind, Ironforge, and the Exodar go up in flames. I wanna pick up mementos of the civilians livin' there and sell them off to any sentimentalists for a hefty price... or to the sadists like me who want trophies of their kills, but forgot to pick them up~."

"And if the Warchief ever runs a campaign on the Gnomes, I'll only turn tail on her if she tries to tell me I can't come. That's about the only point where I'll have any beef with her. You don't get to tell a Goblin she can't have fun killin' Gnomes after all... though I suppose I could spare a few for the sake of some experiments here and there. Hehehehe."
08/13/2018 07:59 AMPosted by Vonhellequin
07/31/2018 11:52 PMPosted by Cannibal
Utter shame. Cannibal has defected.


Can you please reconcile how an Orc fury warrior named Cannibal is the kind of person to have an issue with some elves losing their home? People who eat other people arent exactly known for their insight.


Maybe the nickname's ironic? Like he's so vocally opposed to cannibalism that his buddies started calling him cannibal as a joke, and it stuck.
08/13/2018 09:54 AMPosted by Felya
08/13/2018 07:59 AMPosted by Vonhellequin
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Can you please reconcile how an Orc fury warrior named Cannibal is the kind of person to have an issue with some elves losing their home? People who eat other people arent exactly known for their insight.


Maybe the nickname's ironic? Like he's so vocally opposed to cannibalism that his buddies started calling him cannibal as a joke, and it stuck.


Maybe he defected because Sylvanas set Teldrassil on fire before he got to eat any elves.
08/13/2018 07:59 AMPosted by Vonhellequin
Can you please reconcile how an Orc fury warrior named Cannibal is the kind of person to have an issue with some elves losing their home? People who eat other people arent exactly known for their insight.
08/13/2018 09:54 AMPosted by Felya
Maybe the nickname's ironic? Like he's so vocally opposed to cannibalism that his buddies started calling him cannibal as a joke, and it stuck.
08/13/2018 10:25 AMPosted by Vonhellequin
Maybe he defected because Sylvanas set Teldrassil on fire before he got to eat any elves.
*twirls fingers*

In the magical world of RP, you can be whatever you want. This fury warrior is actually an IC shaman and an incredibly old veteran who's tired of war. Like many other orc shaman, he is a servant of the Earth Mother and therefore has close ties to the night elven people.

Though he has and will eat people (cannibalism in WoW is defined as consuming other humanoids, not just ones of your own species) if the situation arises, since he has no moral qualms with doing so (humans eat murloc fin soup, for example), that's not how he got his name. After the death of his wife and kidnapping of his daughter, he killed the group of cultists responsible and was found in a pool of blood and guts, passed out and clutching his daughter. The people who found him took him to town, assuming he had eaten everybody, and the nickname Cannibal stuck. In honor of his wife, he adopted it entirely. This event was actually an in-game RP event back in vanilla, when I first got into RP, so it holds sentimental value there as well.

As for his moral qualms with Sylvanas, you can read the letter he sent to the Orgrimmar Embassy here:
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20765366345
"We have forgotten what makes us strong."
I've done this song and dance before.

It was easier with garrosh, I owed him nothing because I felt no loyalty to thrall or his supposed "wisdom". Garrosh isolated his allies and convinced them to turn on him, forgetting the horde was more than orcs.

Now the dark lady has been chosen by vol'jins "spirits and wisdom" to be the warchief. She is isolating her allies and convincing them to watch her or even begin turning on her. She hasn't forgotten the horde is more than the forsaken, but she HAS forgotten that garrosh's tactic of obey or die ended poorly for him.

I owe everything to sylvanas, I would have been a mindless thrall to the lich King forever without her saving me and the forsaken. But I remember my time as a slave nonetheless and it's becoming too similar to my fate now. But unlike the defectors I will not abandon my brothers and sisters in the horde. I will bow and smile and obey until the right moment. I am an assassin, I have no honor or morality to lose. I will make allies in the shadows and prepare with them for the right moment to end her reign and save the horde from itself....again....
Radyne never truly trusted the horde and on some level resented that the Blood Elves were forced to join in the first place. Garrosh's reign shook her faith in the horde, but when the people rebelled and forced him out of power, she thought the faction was redeemed

Then just a few short years later they put Sylvanas on the throne. In her eyes, the horde's leadership is made up of complete imbeciles incapable of learning from their past. The moment she heard the B***h Queen was put in power, she was looking for the door. Then Alleria showed up and offered her a way out and she took it straight away. She's happy to be back with the Alliance, as she should be.

The void whispers are a little inconvenient though.
"The Warchief's actions? Other than nearly killing me with plague she's been doing fantastic. And the tree! The tree looked so lovely up in flames like that. It was a nice show. Oh how I wish those sentinels hadn't interrupted my show...

Look.

I remember being a part of the Alliance. They hate us. Think of us as lesser. Want us gone. Don't give them a luxury they wouldn't give you, at worst they'd kill or imprison us all if they could. At best, they would use you until you're no longer of use. And then, well, look where the Sin'dorei ended up.

Whether it's Lord Illidan saving Azeroth, or Sylvanas, someone has to make the hard decisions. Someone has to walk that moral line for the greater good. Someone has to be fine with looking like the 'bad guy' if it gets them to the just ends we need to meet."
Both this character, Catharsis Timberlane, and my Forsaken rogue, 'Ironjaws' Cloakdagger would have their usually unwavering resolve shaken for both shared and different reasons. The shared reason is quite obvious: both have lived through what seemed was the corruption of Garrosh in Pandaria. However, they deviate into their separate paths.

As Catharsis begins to hear the whispers of the Lich King once more, she worries that maybe Sylvanas is still bound to the essence of him, despite Arthas' death. The war the warchief brought upon the Alliance could be used to sustain the Forsaken populace, but equally be used to bring the scourge army back into fruition. The warchief's actions are close to her former Lich King, which starts getting under Catharsis' rather fragile, cold skin.

'Ironjaws' has more of a parental fear: the fear that his daughter, a human, dies by the Horde--only to be raised to be a pawn in the Banshee Queen's game. Despite that his daughter denounces him, he still has the parental need to protect his little girl in undeath. He continues to look after her, after his daughter turned her back on him. The events at Wrathgate, Gilneas and the Undercity only make his fears worse; that the blight could be used on this dear child he loves so much only to be risen and twisted into the service of the Dark Lady.
There are loud, prominent voices in the Alliance calling for the complete extermination of at least two races within the Horde. The Alliance harbors traitors to Quel'thalas who arrogantly tamper with dark powers capable of dooming our whole universe. The Alliance attacks Horde forces from behind as they fought literal demons hell-bent on burning our world to ash.

Despite their king's overtures of peace, the Alliance has made it clear that they present an existential threat to the Horde.

Ecnauri has a family to worry about now, children whose lives are potentially at risk should those like Rogers or Proudmoore have their way, and she is willing to protect them by any means necessary. If it's them or us, she'll choose us every time.
I'm so taken with the Dark Lady I started following her fashion trends. As far as I'm concerned burning down the tree sent a message that two can play at the purification game.
Kali's a doctor first and foremost and as he is in a military unit as a medic,he will accompany his husband and the others on missions but to convey his stance of neutrality,he vowed to strictly heal and not raise a sword unless his or a loved ones life was in immediate danger. On the forum RP threads I write him as a doctor who treats anyone in need of medicine regardless of faction and hopes to see the war eventually end in favor for peace especially after seeing that horde and alliance could work together under the Argent Crusade banner. He just wants to save lives.
Kisin: As a druid of the Cenarion Circle he's come to know many night elves over the years, and while he's never really felt accepted by them he's never harbored enough resentment to want to destroy their homeland. Much less a World Tree. He sees Sylvanas' actions as both unjustified and monstrous. That being said, he can't sit out this war. Kisin is a Darkspear first, and with Kul Tiras rising he knows where he needs to be.

"I'm not gonna let another Proudmoore murder my people."

Rohk: He's a Revantusk mercenary, so he doesn't really care one way or another what Sylvanas has done. He's been fighting for the Horde since the Second War and isn't planning to stop now. Not while the pay is still good. While he doesn't condone the burning of civilians he also wasn't personally involved.

Iktome Wildmane: He hasn't been a part of the Horde since Cataclysm, instead working as a full time member of the Cenarion Circle. He finds Sylvanas even more abhorrent than he used to, and openly shows disdain for the direction the Horde is heading. He worries now that his own people will end up suffering because of Sylvanas' warmongering, but his focus is on healing Azeroth. He cannot get involved in politics.
The Horde is all I have.

I know that the humans of Stormwind would never forgive me for what I am. If I lose the Horde, then I'll be an outcast, always running until my second and true death.

I have no love left for the people who used to call me friend in life. Instead I feel anger, and misery when I think of those relations. How cruel were they?

When the scourge first came to Lordaeron, I thought that our allies must have been ignorant to our plight; for if they knew, surely they would've moved heaven and earth to help us.

Now years later I've been told the full story: that many of our allies built a giant wall and hid behind it whilst I defended them.

In gave my life defending the Alliance, and when I was brought back from death, I was spurned.

The Horde is my home, and I will follow the Warchief wherever she may take us. The burning of Teldrasil was... interesting. I thought we were meant to occupy it, not destroy it, but it matters very little. I don't believe that there was a single elf living in that tree that wouldn't have relished the opportunity to kill me on sight.

Now Kalimdor is ours. The Alliance no longer has a foothold on the entire continent, which means that I am for the most part safe. What a thought? I can roam half the world without fear of being struck down for my crime of merely existing.

I have a feeling that the Queen often uses me, or other specialists like myself, for her own selfish reasons, but that also matters very little. She, and the Horde, have given me a home, and so my loyalties will remain there.
If she had rationally made the decision to burn that world tree, it would be ruthless but logical. The way she made the decision in reckless anger is of more concern than the decision she made. The mere size of the tree meant it should not have burned as quickly(have you ever tried to lite a bonfire?) as it did which tells me of two things 1) Either the night elves were already planning to set fire to the tree to prevent the horde from capturing it OR the azerite that the world tree absorbed had caused the fire to burn much quicker than it otherwise should have.

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