Funeral Thread For Destruction and Demonology

Warlock
08/04/2018 07:34 PMPosted by Zanther
Sims give an estimate. Sims confirm what people are currently saying. Sims are all we got at the moment.
You're right, they are estimates. They're also estimates of a single raid scenario of the variety that exist. Also based on numbers that are still being and will be changed. Sure seems like it might be a mistake to try and support a sweeping claim of the viability of specs in general based on that, eh?

08/04/2018 07:34 PMPosted by Zanther
Again, got something better?
I don't have to present to you a more accurate sim to be able to show that the context in which this sim was produced makes it very likely misleading.

08/04/2018 07:34 PMPosted by Zanther
Better than youre lack of anything. Got something better to show?
I initially implied that things would be different in the future. I didn't make a claim that required anything besides evidence that numbers tuning would occur in the future.
Eh, other specs will be fine it just sucks that Destro is gonna struggle in all the same areas again and it almost seems like Demo will too. Aff still has the more well rounded kit and it no longer takes time to scale.

Destro's front loaded damage is not high enough to carry it in early tiers anymore and its kit is not versatile enough to be the mechanics/progression spec it used to be.
08/03/2018 07:35 PMPosted by Bonerlock
Come here to mourn. Come here to prepare for another tier of Affliction.


Method just named Destro as 3rd best dps for BFA. AFF not mentioned in the top 5, boy do you guys ever stop with the hyperbole? Everything is sky is falling, gutted, woe is me, QQ.
08/04/2018 10:11 AMPosted by Majycal
So, in the over a year they've had to work on class design and balancing, they haven't gotten it close to good. In fact, despite all the feedback, they have admitted they haven't even had time to finish all the specs. So, you expect this team to actually do decent balancing in only 5-6 weeks? ROFL

Balancing/tuning and class design are completely separate.

You want to know why I'm 100% confident we'll see some buffs.
http://www.wowhead.com/the-emerald-nightmare
EN released Sept. 20th
http://www.wowhead.com/news=256218/september-23rd-hotfixes-major-class-tuning-for-emerald-nightmare
Class tuning Sept. 23rd

http://www.wowhead.com/news=258433/nighthold-to-release-on-january-17th
NH Release Jan. 17th
http://www.wowhead.com/news=259429/upcoming-class-tuning-hotfixes-for-mythic-nighthold
Class tuning Jan. 24th

Every single raid that they release, they then follow with major class tuning. Straight up facts, we will see major class buffs/nerfs before the release of M Uldir which is Sept. 11th. I didn't even bother to link all the minor buffs/nerfs/hotfixes that led up to the major tuning before M EN release.
08/05/2018 09:53 AMPosted by Kigs
08/04/2018 10:11 AMPosted by Majycal
So, in the over a year they've had to work on class design and balancing, they haven't gotten it close to good. In fact, despite all the feedback, they have admitted they haven't even had time to finish all the specs. So, you expect this team to actually do decent balancing in only 5-6 weeks? ROFL

Balancing/tuning and class design are completely separate.

You want to know why I'm 100% confident we'll see some buffs.
http://www.wowhead.com/the-emerald-nightmare
EN released Sept. 20th
http://www.wowhead.com/news=256218/september-23rd-hotfixes-major-class-tuning-for-emerald-nightmare
Class tuning Sept. 23rd

http://www.wowhead.com/news=258433/nighthold-to-release-on-january-17th
NH Release Jan. 17th
http://www.wowhead.com/news=259429/upcoming-class-tuning-hotfixes-for-mythic-nighthold
Class tuning Jan. 24th

Every single raid that they release, they then follow with major class tuning. Straight up facts, we will see major class buffs/nerfs before the release of M Uldir which is Sept. 11th. I didn't even bother to link all the minor buffs/nerfs/hotfixes that led up to the major tuning before M EN release.


I remember having your confidence during MoP when destro was king

and again in WoD when demo was king

......and again this xpac when aff was king......

Fact is, blizzard picks 1 spec, and you use that spec for 2 years. They cant balance for crap. Actually, they choose not to.

Want proof?

Never forget: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-4u6gn1r4U
08/05/2018 10:23 AMPosted by Zanther
Never forget: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-4u6gn1r4U


It's extremely petty to cling so tightly to something that you're taking so out of context.
08/05/2018 10:23 AMPosted by Zanther
Never forget: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-4u6gn1r4U


Thx for the link, I wish though it was a link without all the BS in it. In either Alpha or Beta can't remember which I had a lengthy argument with a bunch of over dedicated fans of Blizzard over the fact that I said Blizzard nerfs classes they don't want played, and if they see a class where everyone is playing one spec they will nerf it. Of course, I was told what a moron I was and to take off my tin hat but this proves it. Thx
Ion is a proud man.
“No King reigns forever”
I love the worgen warlock thats 9/11m thinking it matters what he plays. I also love the sim humping. DH was simmed for t21 as the highest simming dps but finished the entire tier ranked as the 4th worst. You're cherry picking and you're such a bad player it doesn't matter what you play. Most good players where class and spec actually matter already know what is required to do good.
08/05/2018 12:54 AMPosted by Rikar
08/03/2018 07:35 PMPosted by Bonerlock
Come here to mourn. Come here to prepare for another tier of Affliction.


Method just named Destro as 3rd best dps for BFA. AFF not mentioned in the top 5, boy do you guys ever stop with the hyperbole? Everything is sky is falling, gutted, woe is me, QQ.


That video is 100% M+
08/05/2018 10:23 AMPosted by Zanther
Fact is, blizzard picks 1 spec, and you use that spec for 2 years. They cant balance for crap. Actually, they choose not to.


It's actually funny how wrong you have been in this thread, quit while your behind.

During M EN prog, I played Aff, Destro and Demo because they were all viable depending on the fight and what legendaries you had ( !@#$ty system but eh)

The point in time of the video you linked had all three specs played for M HFC prog, yes even Demo had a place in two of the fights.

Demo was king in WoD? Funny way of saying Aff and Destro for HFC.

08/04/2018 07:34 PMPosted by Zanther
Better than youre lack of anything. Got something better to show?

No?


History shows he will be right?

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20749305579

https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17614733752

Tuning just after M EN and M NH opened up, I'm sure if I could be bothered I'd find the same thing for every other major raid this xpac.

08/04/2018 09:29 PMPosted by Zanther
LFRhero - Check


If you're going to call someone that make sure you at least have a cutting edge to your name :)

Also on the topic of sims, they aren't the word of god. Demo was top lock spec on the sims for the longest time this xpac but rarely ever lived up to it in practice since you know, movement and mechanics.
08/05/2018 01:22 PMPosted by Forbid
08/05/2018 12:54 AMPosted by Rikar
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Method just named Destro as 3rd best dps for BFA. AFF not mentioned in the top 5, boy do you guys ever stop with the hyperbole? Everything is sky is falling, gutted, woe is me, QQ.


That video is 100% M+
m+ is the only competitive pve content now. Leave it to non cutting edge players who cant clear a mythic tier to think otherwise.
08/05/2018 04:43 PMPosted by Shinitaitv
08/05/2018 01:22 PMPosted by Forbid
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That video is 100% M+
m+ is the only competitive pve content now. Leave it to non cutting edge players who cant clear a mythic tier to think otherwise.


Lmao why are you so aggressive
<span class="truncated">...</span> m+ is the only competitive pve content now. Leave it to non cutting edge players who cant clear a mythic tier to think otherwise.


Lmao why are you so aggressive
Because people are complaining about the state of a class based off sims which have never been correct. Tuning patch hasnt hit which always happens the week of raid / before raid hits. The only complaints that are reasonable are the ones on how classes play if it feels clunky ect. Damage tuning complaints are irrelevant.

Really doubt that playing destro or demo will fringe on his mythic progression unless hes a terrible player. Destro is the best aoe spec affi is the best st spec from beta performances. Every fight in Uldir has some aoe save for a few from my experience. Sims are never gospel.

Guy also has the audacity to call someone an LFR hero when he cant even be called a mythic raider because his performance and experience is so limited. Imagine scapegoating your spec as to why you are 9/11m or will eat the bench. It's not plausible at all.

And then the guy who makes this entire forum post has only 10 bosses killed in heroic antorus and says stuff like enjoy the bench what a meme.
08/05/2018 10:23 AMPosted by Zanther
Fact is, blizzard picks 1 spec, and you use that spec for 2 years. They cant balance for crap. Actually, they choose not to.


It's actually funny how wrong you have been in this thread, quit while your behind.

During M EN prog, I played Aff, Destro and Demo because they were all viable depending on the fight and what legendaries you had ( !@#$ty system but eh)


Funny, because you logs show you as aff. You were demo for 2 fights, which hapopen to be turrent fights (Nythendra, Ursoc)

The point in time of the video you linked had all three specs played for M HFC prog, yes even Demo had a place in two of the fights.


3 actually

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/8#class=Warlock

Demo was king in WoD? Funny way of saying Aff and Destro for HFC.


Logs above.

I stand corrected. Most of the population had quit by then, so its understandable to make that mistake.

History shows he will be right?

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20749305579

https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17614733752


Soooooo buffing every spec in the game = buffing the specs needed?

Thanks for showing us the point in history that blizzard made Aff king of the xpac, and the other 2 specs.....not so much?


If you're going to call someone that make sure you at least have a cutting edge to your name :)


Like you?

Also on the topic of sims, they aren't the word of god. Demo was top lock spec on the sims for the longest time this xpac but rarely ever lived up to it in practice since you know, movement and mechanics.


Demo was better for patchwerk fights last I checked. Aff ruled over it because Demos weakness was movement. Guess what? Demos weakness is still movement. Sooo.....worst patchwerk dps at the moment in a game thats adopted high movement raid encounters? You new?

Dont get me wrong. I want the buffs we'll hopefully get. Unfortunately, history and past patterns dont get many peoples hopes up. They have openly admitted that some specs aren't even finished, and wont be finished till 8.1 (RIP Shaman).
*looks outside*
Yep, can confirm. Sky is falling.
*crawls into bunker to wait for inevitable tuning*
08/05/2018 06:25 PMPosted by Zanther
If you're going to call someone that make sure you at least have a cutting edge to your name :)

Like you?
Stop you're 9/11m its actually painful that you think your words have any weight.
08/05/2018 06:25 PMPosted by Zanther
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/8#class=Warlock
I can't believe you just tried to use top 10 rankings of encounters that lasted less than a minute to try and show that Demo was good in more than 2 fights in HFC. Especially when some of those logs are like weeks before Legion pre-patch.

Stop posting. You don't understand what you're talking about.

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