Anyone else sick of the Alliance Favoritism?

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08/19/2018 02:31 PMPosted by Vesarius
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The Alliance never has anyone die


It's like Varian Wrynn never existed.


I remember a certain Fandral Staghelm, leader of the Night Elves, being turned into a loot pinata in Cataclysm as well.
08/19/2018 02:31 PMPosted by Vesarius
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The Alliance never has anyone die


It's like Varian Wrynn never existed.


Varian Wrynn got a heroes death in an epic cutscene to show just how much of a badass he was.

Vol'jin got stabbed by a random mob and died.
Cairne died off screen.
Garrosh was turned into a moronic villain and died in a duel where the other person cheated.

How is this not Alliance favoritism again?
08/19/2018 02:32 PMPosted by Gabesgreed
08/19/2018 02:22 PMPosted by Oghro
The Alliance never has anyone die


Well we just came from Varian's funeral, who was the head of the Alliance. So you guys are smokin' something.


That too.

At least he HAD a funeral, and over 6 statues in his image as a memorial. Vol'jin got treated like a piece of trash, thrown away to a trash mob and has yet to have a single memorial in game. Anywhere. THAT is the definition of "It's like he never existed".
08/19/2018 02:31 PMPosted by Vesarius
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It's like Varian Wrynn never existed.


I remember a certain Fandral Staghelm, leader of the Night Elves, being turned into a loot pinata in Cataclysm as well.


i sometimes still go back to firelands to tea bag his corpse after i own him because he was such a jerk to the baby druids i used to roll and then delete. /spit
Let's not forget Bolvar.
At least Gallywix was hardly involved with anything, but Arthas 2.0... I mean Sylvanis is a core part of the lore.
08/19/2018 02:44 PMPosted by Hutta
At least Gallywix was hardly involved with anything, but Arthas 2.0... I mean Sylvanis is a core part of the lore.


And really if there is good writing, there is no way this will end unless she is dead or leaves the Horde and goes into hiding.

Another major Horde character lost because they were made a villain.
Alliance Lost 4 racial leaders so far.

-Fendral
-Varian
-Bolvar (was for the Humans before Varian came back.)
-Magni can be counted I guess but I would understand if others don't want to consider it.

For Horde
-Thrall is still around, just not used much because the voice actor is not working in Blizz atm.
-Vol sad how he died
-Cairne I'm also sad they killed him off
-Garrosh This was worse than Vol's situation. They should have never made MoP, they ruined him.

So if we consider Thrall and Magni it's the same both sides. Alliance have only lost one High King a new title, before MoP all races where equal at least on paper.

While Horde lost 2(3) if you consider thrall lost while they had the Warchief title from the start. If we had High King from the start of WoW we would have lost two High Kings.

While he is not my favorite Blizzard need to bring back thrall to retake leadership of the Horde he crated. But sadly CM will probably not return to Blizzard.
08/19/2018 02:33 PMPosted by Ayaani
I remember a certain Fandral Staghelm, leader of the Night Elves, being turned into a loot pinata in Cataclysm as well.
Tyrande got some splainin to do.
08/19/2018 02:43 PMPosted by Quercus
Regarding races and customization, Alliance have always had an edge over Horde.

Individual preference being relative/subjective, here are the numbers (excluding the barbershop additions, which have now been added to the start/character creation screen):
08/12/2018 08:10 PMPosted by Quercus
All Customization By The Numbers

Suggestion: prioritize adding options for race-sex combos with a raw score less than 40 and an average less than 7.

Allied Races:
Alliance:
Lightforged Draenei female - skin 3, face 10, hair style 7, h color 5, horn style 6, tattoo 4, rune 6; raw score 41, avg 5.9
LfD male - skin 3, face 10, hair style 6, h color 5, facial 9, tattoo 4, rune 6; raw score 43, avg 6.1

Void Elf female - skin 6, face 8, hair style 10, h color 8, earrings 5; raw score 37, avg 7.4
VElf male - skin 6, face 8, hair style 12, h color 8, facial 8; raw score 42, avg 8.4

Dark Iron Dwarf female - skin 4, face 10, hair style 10, h color 6, accessories 7, tattoo 6; raw score 43, avg 7.2
DID male - skin 4, face 10, hair style 8, h color 6, facial 7, earrings 6, tattoo 6; raw score 47, avg 6.7

Horde:
Nightborne female - skin 3, face 6, hair style 6, h color 6, earrings 6, tattoo 4; raw score 31, avg 5.2
Nb male - skin 3, face 6, hair style 7, h color 6, earrings 7, tattoo 4; raw score 33, avg 5.5

Highmountain Tauren female - skin 4, face 4, horn style 5, h color 2, hair 5, tattoo 10; raw score 30, avg 5.0
HmT male - skin 4, face 5, horn style 5, h color 2, facial 5, tattoo 10; raw score 31, avg 5.2

Mag'Har Orc female - skin 10, face 9, hair style 8, h color 8, accessories 6; raw score 41, avg 8.2
MHO male - skin 10, face 9, hair style 8, h color 8, facial 7, posture 2; raw score 44, avg 7.3
(core updates bolded and italicized)Core Races:
Neutral:
Pandaren female - skin 14, face 20, hair style 17, h color 12, earrings 6; raw score 69, avg 13.8
Pandaren male - skin 14, face 21, hair style 19, facial 31; raw score 85, avg 21.3

Alliance:
Human female - skin 10, face 15, hair style 19, h color 10, piercings 7; raw score 61, avg 12.2
Human male - skin 10, face 12, hair style 12, h color 10, facial 9; raw score 53, avg 10.6

Dwarf female - skin 9, face 10, hair style 14, h color 10, piercings 6; raw score 49, avg 9.8
Dwarf male - skin 9, face 10, hair style 11, h color 10, facial 11; raw score 51, avg 10.2

NElf female - skin 9, face 9, hair style 7, h color 8, markings 10; raw score 43, avg 8.6
NElf male - skin 9, face 9, hair style 11, h color 8, facial 6; raw score 43, avg 8.6

Gnome female - skin 5, face 7, hair style 7, h color 9, earrings 7; raw score 35, avg 7.0
Gnome male - skin 5, face 7, hair style 7, h color 9, facial 8; raw score 36, avg 7.2

Draenei female - skin 12, face 10, hair style 11, h color 7, horn 7; raw score 47, avg 9.4
Draenei male - skin 14, face 10, hair style 10, h color 7, facial 8; raw score 49, avg 9.8

Worgen female - skin 9, face 14, hair style 10, h color 5, ears 12; raw score 50, avg 10.0
Worgen male - skin 5, face 5, hair style 8, h color 5, facial 9; raw score 32, avg 6.4

Horde:
Orc female - skin 9, face 9, hair style 8, h color 8, piercings 7; raw score 41, avg 8.2
Orc male - skin 9, face 9, hair style 7, h color 8, facial 11; raw score 44, avg 8.8

Forsaken female - skin 6, face 10, hair style 10, h color 10, features 8; raw score 44, avg 8.8
Forsaken male - skin 6, face 10, hair style 10, h color 10, features 17; raw score 53, avg 10.6

Tauren female - skin 11, face 4, horn style 7, h color 3, hair 5; raw score 30, avg 6.0
Tauren male - skin 19, face 5, horn style 8, h color 3, facial 7; raw score 42, avg 8.4

Troll female - skin 6, face 6, hair style 5, h color 10, tusks 6; raw score 33, avg 6.6
Troll male - skin 6, face 5, hair style 6, h color 10, tusks 11; raw score 38, avg 7.6

BElf female - skin 10, face 13, hair style 14, h color 10, earrings 11; raw score 58, avg 11.6
BElf male - skin 10, face 13, hair style 11, h color 10, facial 10; raw score 54, avg 10.8

Goblin female - skin 9, face 10, hair style 12, h color 9, ears 11; raw score 51, avg 10.2
Goblin male - skin 9, face 5, hair style 14, h color 9, ears 11; raw score 48, avg 9.6

We also have the only capitol city with 1 mailbox—Thunder Bluff.

If people are going to complain about BfA faction mounts (subjective), then I'd like to hear what they think about objective numbers that span more than one xpac.
The only thing I'm sick of is Horde desperation to actually make a convincing argument about favoritism.
08/19/2018 02:30 PMPosted by Aesclin
08/19/2018 02:22 PMPosted by Oghro
The Alliance never has anyone die and is filled with great lore characters who are still alive.


Oh, really? Varian lives?

It does suck that Blizzard can only seem to create faction conflict due to warchiefs going mad.

You just proved her point. Varian is the only major example Alliance players have. The Horde lost: Garrosh (dead), Nazgrim (killed off and turned neutral in that order), Vol'jin (killed off by random Felguard #506,895), Saurfang (rotting in a cell), Sylvanas (evil tyrant who is being built up to be killed), Thrall (castrated in order to force the Horde into being evil), Cairne (killed in a book)...

When has the Alliance ever lost any major characters who weren't then replaced by at least a moderately foreshadowed replacement? Trolls have no leader (check the racial page for them, it is cry worthy), Orcs have no leader, Tauren leader is a worthless gimp with horns, Lor'themar is great but hasn't been used since 5.2, Gallywix serves no purpose aside from humor.
08/19/2018 02:35 PMPosted by Oghro
Vol'jin got stabbed by a random mob and died.


One of the worst things to happen in WoW.
Not long after that, I retired my horde characters.
08/19/2018 02:31 PMPosted by Amellinne
Horde got their allied races spoon fed to them, while alliance literally has to crawl on the ground to get theirs. Dont talk about favoritism till that is fixed.


Oh boo hoo, ever stop to think that Horde get some of these things because Horde get a raw deal in terms of story (yeah, we may be the driving faction, but it often feels like the driving is dragging us through the mud) all so the the alliance can be the HEROES in the end.

You, and other alliance players, use minor things to cite favoritism yet ignore the fact that, for us Horde, it is not all sunshine and roses in the spotlight. I, and others, would likely be willing to trade 1 of our mounts, the ease to get 1 of our allied races, whatever for just a moment that shows something besides Horde doing evil things or expanding on things like what Baine really thinks or what Saurfang is planning sooner.

Alliance need their time in the spotlight/nice vanity things yet such comes at a cost, if the alliance playerbase is willing to pay then they should get those things, if they want to be like "haha, you hordies get nothing but beaten like you deserve" then the status quo should remain in place.
08/19/2018 02:59 PMPosted by Aesclin
08/19/2018 02:35 PMPosted by Oghro
Vol'jin got stabbed by a random mob and died.


One of the worst things to happen in WoW.
Not long after that, I retired my horde characters.


I agree, killing off Vol'jin was dumb.
08/19/2018 02:35 PMPosted by Dissolute
At least he HAD a funeral, and over 6 statues in his image as a memorial. Vol'jin got treated like a piece of trash, thrown away to a trash mob and has yet to have a single memorial in game. Anywhere. THAT is the definition of "It's like he never existed".
08/19/2018 03:38 PMPosted by Oghro
I agree, killing off Vol'jin was dumb.
Spoiler-Free Protip: Get Revered with the Zandalari Empire.
08/19/2018 02:27 PMPosted by Virus
08/19/2018 02:22 PMPosted by Oghro
I mean, every Warchief that we have dies within two expansions.


That kinda happens when they expansions story is all about you, if this game were a film the horde would be the main character and the alliance would be a support actor, even a lowly extra at times. We're mostly just following you guys around on your path or reacting to whatever you're up to.


Quick! How much involvement did the Horde have in Legion?
Sure, bring up Varian but he went out in a blaze of glory. Alliance players can be proud of his death. Can you say the same for any of the Horde leaders?
As an Alliance player I felt the same for the longest time. The Horde had the better quests and stories. I guess it'll balance out? I felt like for the longest time the entire story flowed through Thrall and then Garrosh. Sure Garrosh was bad but he had all the writing and 2 expansion flowed through him entirely with Thrall.
08/19/2018 02:22 PMPosted by Oghro
I mean, every Warchief that we have dies within two expansions.

We got:
a cow who is a complete buffoon as the leader of the Tauren
The Lich Queen as Warchief
A goblin who tried to enslave his own people as leader of the Goblins
Someone who is leader of the Blood Elves? What's his name again?
And a depressed old dude who is rotting in a dungeon as leader of the Orcs.

The Alliance never has anyone die and is filled with great lore characters who are still alive.

The Alliance now is stronger than ever, and we have people on the forums crying Horde favoritism. It doesn't make any sense.


That's called faction flavour, not any kind of concrete imbalance of content or effort as we most certainly see in, as the latest example, rep mounts.

If you don't like being in the faction of ragtag alliances of convenience, as and such infighting is going to happen A LOT, then maybe switch to Alliance?

You not liking it is a matter of taste, not unfairness.
08/19/2018 02:22 PMPosted by Oghro
I mean, every Warchief that we have dies within two expansions.

We got:
a cow who is a complete buffoon as the leader of the Tauren
The Lich Queen as Warchief
A goblin who tried to enslave his own people as leader of the Goblins
Someone who is leader of the Blood Elves? What's his name again?
And a depressed old dude who is rotting in a dungeon as leader of the Orcs.

The Alliance never has anyone die and is filled with great lore characters who are still alive.

The Alliance now is stronger than ever, and we have people on the forums crying Horde favoritism. It doesn't make any sense.


Because the story is always completely about what the Horde or its leaders do while the Alliance merely reacts to events or sits idly by.

The Horde burns down Darnassus and the entire focus is on Saurfang and how he feels about it. Never mind how the Night Elves feel about it. We have to feel sorry for Saurfang.

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