Alliance being bad guys still angers people.

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09/01/2018 04:08 PMPosted by Aerikae
They have Jaina drop her desires for peace and go against the Horde. - People call her a dreadlord.

Greymane attacks Sylvanas unprovoked in Stormheim, and against Anduin's orders. - People call him crazy and warmongering.

Tyrande shows no sympathy towards the Nightborne and their plight unlike Liandrin - People hate her for it.

And finally, Yrel leading the draenei to converting the orcs - People complain about her going full tyrant. Even though we haven't seen the whole story.

And you all wonder why they never make the Alliance the bad guys. Every attempt has been met with just as much outrage as the lack of attempt.


1. Jaina is right the horde need to die

2. Blizz screwed up with their level everywhere system there is a breadcrumb that tells you Sylv is planning to seize power from the V this leads to the Alliance uncovering her plan. This is also when Genn still thought she abandoned them to die on the broken shore.

3. There is either something more to that or Yrel went massively against character. Probably a group of orcs decided we are free wasn't enough and started trying to conqueror again since that's what orcs do.

Alliance aren't the bad guys they aren't made of nightmarish ghouls who want to overrun the world and raise everyone in their images they are't made of fel sucking leeches or bloodthirsty conquerors who want to kill all humans. Horde is the evil faction it was made to be that way after the original wow team left and most grey was removed. The current devs like the dark evil "hardcore" side of the horde which is why they constantly try to push it. They think it's cool and are confused why players don't like it which is why Garrosh ended up getting sacced and Sylv will too.
09/01/2018 04:28 PMPosted by Sternbridge
It doesn't anger people, it angers Horde players.
09/01/2018 04:08 PMPosted by Aerikae
They have Jaina drop her desires for peace and go against the Horde. - People call her a dreadlord.


I call her a dreadlord because it's funny and because she's a turd who let Varian die.

And it's probably true. Jaina's a dreadlord.
I dont think the alliance are bad guys... its just when they are written to stop being punching bags, some horde players automatically jump to the defensive and play the victim card, throwing out stupid theories like "Jaina is a dreadlord/Old God Minion" because they cant fathom that losing all the people you love repeatedly for the sake of peace... yeah gonna make them kinda stop pushing for peace at some point.

I mean if someone continually tries to be your friend and you keep spitting in their face. You cant be upset when they start to hate you.
The Alliance is like that edgelord dressed in raid gear at Trial of Style and wondering why he's losing votes to a Pandaren in woolies.
09/01/2018 04:08 PMPosted by Aerikae

Greymane attacks Sylvanas unprovoked in Stormheim, and against Anduin's orders. - People call him crazy and warmongering.


But it turned out he was completely right. Not only was Sylvanas up to no good, she was attempting to enslave a Titan watcher at the behest of Helya.


Tyrande shows no sympathy towards the Nightborne and their plight unlike Liandrin - People hate her for it.


Because she's old enough to know where it got them. They're engaging in the exact same taboo the high elves engaged in and should be treated as such.


And finally, Yrel leading the draenei to converting the orcs - People complain about her going full tyrant. Even though we haven't seen the whole story.


Right. That last sentence is the problem. You get a 30 year time skip and are then told Yrel has completely changed since WOD. That is, at best, sloppy writing.


And you all wonder why they never make the Alliance the bad guys. Every attempt has been met with just as much outrage as the lack of attempt.


Because every time the attempt is made, it's performed in the worst possible ways and often later retconned. Jaina's purge of Dalaran was actually bloodless per lore.
I think it's more that there's a certain vocal subset of Horde players that get mad when the Alliance fights back.
The alliance will always be the good guys, actual good guys not the morally grey garbage that is rife in today's media. The alliance wins while not stooping to the level of using chemical weapons and WMDs against unsuspecting cities or burning civilians alive in a giant tree.

And yet the alliance does not take the Vindicaar, let alone build more, and orbital bomb the horde capitals to oblivion nor does Jaina go back to dalaran and take the focusing iris to obliterate the stain on azeroth that is the horde. Why?

Because we're better. Always will be.

except in raid prog
09/28/2018 11:52 PMPosted by Trikan
The alliance will always be the good guys, actual good guys not the morally grey garbage that is rife in today's media. The alliance wins while not stooping to the level of using chemical weapons and WMDs against unsuspecting cities or burning civilians alive in a giant tree.

And yet the alliance does not take the Vindicaar, let alone build more, and orbital bomb the horde capitals to oblivion nor does Jaina go back to dalaran and take the focusing iris to obliterate the stain on azeroth that is the horde. Why?

Because we're better. Always will be.

except in raid prog


You guys also suck at pvp too.
09/28/2018 11:56 PMPosted by Parissa
09/28/2018 11:52 PMPosted by Trikan
The alliance will always be the good guys, actual good guys not the morally grey garbage that is rife in today's media. The alliance wins while not stooping to the level of using chemical weapons and WMDs against unsuspecting cities or burning civilians alive in a giant tree.

And yet the alliance does not take the Vindicaar, let alone build more, and orbital bomb the horde capitals to oblivion nor does Jaina go back to dalaran and take the focusing iris to obliterate the stain on azeroth that is the horde. Why?

Because we're better. Always will be.

except in raid prog


You guys also suck at pvp too.


Minigames don't matter.
09/29/2018 12:02 AMPosted by Trikan
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You guys also suck at pvp too.


Minigames don't matter.


You said ally suck at raid prog.
He said you suck at PvP.
You said minigames don't matter.

So... you suck at everything then? What's left?
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Minigames don't matter.


You said ally suck at raid prog.
He said you suck at PvP.
You said minigames don't matter.

So... you suck at everything then? What's left?


Long term lore victories we can't lose. Woo!

Also winning at least number of faction leaders killed.
09/29/2018 12:36 AMPosted by Trikan
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You said ally suck at raid prog.
He said you suck at PvP.
You said minigames don't matter.

So... you suck at everything then? What's left?


Long term lore victories we can't lose. Woo!

Also winning at least number of faction leaders killed.


Checkmate! You got me :)
09/28/2018 11:52 PMPosted by Trikan
The alliance will always be the good guys, actual good guys not the morally grey garbage that is rife in today's media. The alliance wins while not stooping to the level of using chemical weapons and WMDs against unsuspecting cities or burning civilians alive in a giant tree.

And yet the alliance does not take the Vindicaar, let alone build more, and orbital bomb the horde capitals to oblivion nor does Jaina go back to dalaran and take the focusing iris to obliterate the stain on azeroth that is the horde. Why?

Because we're better. Always will be.

except in raid prog


"I did it 35 minutes ago"- Ozymandias (Watchmen)

will always be a bit more interesting though.

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09/01/2018 04:33 PMPosted by Kharnim
09/01/2018 04:08 PMPosted by Aerikae
And finally, Yrel leading the draenei to converting the orcs - People complain about her going full tyrant. Even though we haven't seen the whole story.


Unfortunately I don't think there is more story here, they're just trying to show that the Light in excess with nothing to balance it out can still be an evil and corruptive force. Yrel deserved better.

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Don't forget that Yrel was just the same thing as X'era trying to force Ilidan to adhere to her vision. Unbalanced light, without the counter of dark to balance it, can be extremely fanatical.
09/29/2018 01:40 AMPosted by Taurok
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Unfortunately I don't think there is more story here, they're just trying to show that the Light in excess with nothing to balance it out can still be an evil and corruptive force. Yrel deserved better.

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Don't forget that Yrel was just the same thing as X'era trying to force Ilidan to adhere to her vision. Unbalanced light, without the counter of dark to balance it, can be extremely fanatical.


Yep. Light and Void have been perceived as "good" and "evil" in the past in WoW but as we have learned, that's not really the case, and both are simply two powers that are opposite sides of the same coin, which express themseves as fanatical extremes. Paladins are the fanatical warriors for one side. The other side more or less just has SPriests, the void elves, voidwalkers, and Alleria.
09/01/2018 04:25 PMPosted by Rheonx


Greymane attacks Sylvanas unprovoked in Stormheim, and against Anduin's orders. - People call him crazy and warmongering..


For the last time...

SHE MASS MURDERED HIS PEOPLE'S HOME WITH CHEMICAL WEAPONS.


Let's be honest here. He believed she was up to no good. And he was proven right.
09/01/2018 05:44 PMPosted by Naijin
As a Horde player, I want more aggressive Alliance characters. But right now they’re too justified. The Alliance frankly does not feel like an enemy worth fighting, where Alliance side the Horde is def a real threat. The Horde feels like you’re attacking just... because.


If you look into the story of the Horde, half the Horde races are only in the Horde because the Alliance either tried to wipe them out or turned up their nose at them for little to no reason. Forsaken, Blood Elves and Nightborne all sought out the Alliance for aid and were spat at because of it.

It stretches back as far as the Third War, where the Horde is just trying to find a home for themselves and has no interest in fighting the Alliance, and the Alliance is hounding them at every turn.

Come Legion where the Alliance is once again constantly hounding the Horde and disrupting them at every possible opportunity. Genn tries to assasinate the Warchief for personal reasons despite orders from Anduin not to do that. War should have broken out then, but it wasn't until the Alliance attacked in Silithus that Sylvanas had finally had enough.

This war is a long time coming, and the Alliance has only itself to blame. Maybe if they had tried for even a second to reign in their bloodlust, they'd still have a World Tree.

The Alliance can burn, Sylvanas is best Warchief.
09/29/2018 04:27 AMPosted by Sutanu
This war is a long time coming, and the Alliance has only itself to blame. Maybe if they had tried for even a second to reign in their bloodlust, they'd still have a World Tree.


Even though Sylvanas plotted to conquer Stormwind before Gallywix showed her the Azurite in Before the Storm.

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