2-Handed Shaman and You

Shaman
I am writing this in chance that there is anyone left out there playing this class that feels the same way I about picking a 2-handed Mace or Axe and clobbering things with it.
I want to outline the issues I have found that include Weapon Proficiency, Skill requirements, and personal loot. If any of this interests you. read on. I don't want to waste anyone's time for i think this might get a little winded.

Also writing this to hopefully catch the eye of a blue poster perhaps to shed some light on what i have felt.

1.
First things first. Weapon Proficiency. Yes Enhancement Shaman still have access to 2-Handed Maces and Axes (AND Shout-out to Staves). When I brought this up to friends they were convinced that this fact was not true. That Blizzard had removed it. You can pick one up yourself to see. It is still a thing.

How did we get to this point?
The 2-Handed Enhancement Shaman had begun phasing out at or around the Wrath Expansion from what i remember. After being granted dual wielding in The first WoW expansion. By the time mist comes out it is all but gone. But the proficiency still exists.

Well From what i understand and i may be wrong. Base weapon damage was king to a 2-handed build early on. Bigger base damage, bigger the Windfury. Seems simple enough. Some time later that for the sake of time I wont go look up the shaman had its damage normalized around attack power. Meaning an attack with a 2 hander would be more or less the same as a 1 handed weapon. (This means rockbiter, flametongue, frostbrand and stormstrike. Damage with the auto attack i think still do more.)

This kills 2-handed aspirations almost outright.

2.
What makes this worse these days
You cannot.
CANNOT use Stormstrike with a 2-handed weapon.
That 1 skill that envelops all of this new expansion. Everything is based around it and you cant use it. That to me seems odd.
Not only this, I cannot think of any class that has this issue.

3.
Personal Loot

This threw me for a loop when i thought about it but i understand why this was a choice. There are no 2Handed Weapons in the personal loot system for any of the content in the game. I understand Why this was done and it was because Blizzard doesn't want the shaman to use 2Handed Weapons. But what why i want to know in all of this is, why was this choice made?
Why would all the shaman skills scale off attack power so it doesn't matter what the base damage of the weapon is within its own tier then push out a weapon type the class can use.

Why was the proficiency not taken out in this expansion?
Why does Stormstrike require a 1-handed melee weapon?
Why was the play style pushed out when all steps were taken to make one playstlye in theory no better than the other.
(yes i know lava lash makes it higher dps)
TO be clear. I am not asking anyone to make the 2Handed-Enhancement Shaman to be a higher dps than the dual wield version.

I see 3 answers to these issues that I have.

A. Nothing changes. (Most likely)
B. Blizzard removes the proficiency forever enshrining the dual wield playstyle (Sort of likely, most likely in bug fixes of patch notes)
C. 2-Handed Weapons will be allowed to use Stormstrike

And I hope they choose option 3[u][/u]
If they're gonna bring a real rework I want 2handed enhance.

Slow down Maelstrom regeneration

Windfury attacks mean something

Spending abilites feel that omph
I would love this. The main reason for starting my shaman in vanilla was because they were the spirit warriors (counter to holy warrior pallies). I loved hitting 20 and being able to use a 2h.

It has been gone far longer than it was ever around, so I dont ever see it coming back. The easy way to get around the abilities is using the butt of the weapon as the OH. The only problem I could see (other than balance) is animations
09/05/2018 03:43 AMPosted by Zhoe
I would love this. The main reason for starting my shaman in vanilla was because they were the spirit warriors (counter to holy warrior pallies). I loved hitting 20 and being able to use a 2h.

It has been gone far longer than it was ever around, so I dont ever see it coming back. The easy way to get around the abilities is using the butt of the weapon as the OH. The only problem I could see (other than balance) is animations


I dont know why, "butt" I wouldn't mind having a shaman exclusive "weapon" in our offhand. Have an offhanded weap called a "2-hander Butt" or something that didnt offer much for stats, but allowed us to use Stormstrike.
The dead horse is now just a pile of mush on the ground.
Give it a rest, this same topic comes up every single expansion and it's not changing.
Ever.
Phasing out around wrath?

I am pretty sure it didnt last nearly that long. No enhance sham that wanted to be taken seriously was using 2h in wrath.

The only thing that made 2h enhance even slightly worthwhile, was a gimmick mechanic that was broken and will never return. Ever.
wont happen in live so i cant wait for classic.
09/05/2018 05:02 AMPosted by Thunderhoof
The dead horse is now just a pile of mush on the ground.
Give it a rest, this same topic comes up every single expansion and it's not changing.
Ever.


09/05/2018 07:23 AMPosted by Akston
Phasing out around wrath?

I am pretty sure it didnt last nearly that long. No enhance sham that wanted to be taken seriously was using 2h in wrath.

The only thing that made 2h enhance even slightly worthwhile, was a gimmick mechanic that was broken and will never return. Ever.


I guess coming in and being rude is the best thing to do. This wasn't a baiting title, if you didn't want to see this topic again, you could simply ignore it. I know it will never come back, but that doesn't stop me from wishing for it.

If you read a title, and the first thing that comes to mind is "let's be a #!@#!%*%," then just move past it. If you've been around long enough to see this post multiple times, then you know your negativity isn't swaying anyone.

I could see them bringing all of the different weapon choices back, like warrior SMF, 2h enhancement, 2h frost/DW unholy/blood etc, back when they run out of gimmicks, like other classes and races.

I would also like to add that throughout wrath, I was melting people in BGs with 2h enh. It was incredibly RNG, just like in vanilla, but it was still very fun, and effective when procs lined up with abilities.
I snagged a 325 two hander and play 2h when I wanna have fun questing or WQ or tmog runs since you can still talent into having buttons to mash other than rockbuter . Must have earthen spike and sundering. And you can actually have a decent time with it and it feels like the old days as you really are just waiting on those windfury crits lol actually really fun

If blizz ever took away our ability to equip them I would never play Shaman again , it is at least fun to be able to still play it even if it is never going to be tweaked to be a primary option
GIBS 2H WEPONS PLS BLIZZARD AND FIX OUR CLASS FOR GODS SAKE PLIZ ENOUGH IS ENOUGH REEEEEEEE
09/05/2018 05:02 AMPosted by Thunderhoof
The dead horse is now just a pile of mush on the ground.
Give it a rest, this same topic comes up every single expansion and it's not changing.
Ever.


constructive
ALSO: gibs the old totem syztem pls blizzard :( y u ruin such a fun class?

I don't plan on quitting WoW anytime soon... but damn, hunter and mage just feel so much better than my shaman rn :( i'll always have a soft spot for shaman but its crazy how far we have fallen since wotlk (even cata)
09/05/2018 08:28 AMPosted by Lolraph
ALSO: gibs the old totem syztem pls blizzard :( y u ruin such a fun class?

I don't plan on quitting WoW anytime soon... but damn, hunter and mage just feel so much better than my shaman rn :( i'll always have a soft spot for shaman but its crazy how far we have fallen since wotlk (even cata)


3 of the old totems are baked into our class whether it be ability buttons or windfury mastery .

Earthbind , capacitor, tremor, healing stream, healing tide , grounding

All there still.
They Baked damage output (SOE) and casting haste into a talent choice but it still plops down totems

I dont think we have a lack of totems lol

Only thing I miss ...cleansing totem my God there are so many things to cleanse in m+
09/05/2018 08:28 AMPosted by Lolraph
ALSO: gibs the old totem syztem pls blizzard :( y u ruin such a fun class?

I don't plan on quitting WoW anytime soon... but damn, hunter and mage just feel so much better than my shaman rn :( i'll always have a soft spot for shaman but its crazy how far we have fallen since wotlk (even cata)


My mage feels a lot better, i know this feel
09/05/2018 08:11 AMPosted by Zhoe
09/05/2018 05:02 AMPosted by Thunderhoof
The dead horse is now just a pile of mush on the ground.
Give it a rest, this same topic comes up every single expansion and it's not changing.
Ever.


09/05/2018 07:23 AMPosted by Akston
Phasing out around wrath?

I am pretty sure it didnt last nearly that long. No enhance sham that wanted to be taken seriously was using 2h in wrath.

The only thing that made 2h enhance even slightly worthwhile, was a gimmick mechanic that was broken and will never return. Ever.


I guess coming in and being rude is the best thing to do. This wasn't a baiting title, if you didn't want to see this topic again, you could simply ignore it. I know it will never come back, but that doesn't stop me from wishing for it.

If you read a title, and the first thing that comes to mind is "let's be a #!@#!%*%," then just move past it. If you've been around long enough to see this post multiple times, then you know your negativity isn't swaying anyone.

I could see them bringing all of the different weapon choices back, like warrior SMF, 2h enhancement, 2h frost/DW unholy/blood etc, back when they run out of gimmicks, like other classes and races.

I would also like to add that throughout wrath, I was melting people in BGs with 2h enh. It was incredibly RNG, just like in vanilla, but it was still very fun, and effective when procs lined up with abilities.


If you felt I was being rude, you need to take a break from the internet. I was not. I was rather neutral. Get some thicker skin.

I was merely commenting that no one was doing anything serious as enhance (in pve) with 2 hand in wrath.

And that 2h Enhance was only a thing to begin with because of how windfury interacted with it. That aspect is gone.

Bringing back all weapon types (2h and dw) to all classes, would be an insane drain on resources that would dilute the quality of the game even further.

I am sorry you expected only positive thoughts in this thread, and only want people to respond whom agree with you. That is not how things work.
09/05/2018 08:28 AMPosted by Lolraph
ALSO: gibs the old totem syztem pls blizzard :( y u ruin such a fun class?

I don't plan on quitting WoW anytime soon... but damn, hunter and mage just feel so much better than my shaman rn :( i'll always have a soft spot for shaman but its crazy how far we have fallen since wotlk (even cata)


The old totem system coming back would make me reroll to another class faster then all the issues with elemental right now.

It was a horrible system, that severely held the class back. I thank Thrall every day its gone.
I played in Vanilla and as much as the class was broken; I enjoyed when the planets aligned and that windfury proc 2 handed pig hammer sweetness hit them just right.
09/05/2018 08:34 AMPosted by Akston


And that 2h Enhance was only a thing to begin with because of how windfury interacted with it. That aspect is gone.

Bringing back all weapon types (2h and dw) to all classes, would be an insane drain on resources that would dilute the quality of the game even further.

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Giving players more choice would dilute the game experience?
I dont actually think you believe this.

because war mode and pvp skills were added to the game to deliberately cut down the gameplay experience..

To reiterate

this wouldnt even be an argument if stormstrike was usable with a 2handed weapon.
leave them off the personal loot table for all i care.

on paper doesnt seem like a hard thing to add.
no
Fix. That is better. the current state of this issue is broken. It needs to be fixed in some way.
09/05/2018 08:34 AMPosted by Akston
09/05/2018 08:11 AMPosted by Zhoe
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I guess coming in and being rude is the best thing to do. This wasn't a baiting title, if you didn't want to see this topic again, you could simply ignore it. I know it will never come back, but that doesn't stop me from wishing for it.

If you read a title, and the first thing that comes to mind is "let's be a #!@#!%*%," then just move past it. If you've been around long enough to see this post multiple times, then you know your negativity isn't swaying anyone.

I could see them bringing all of the different weapon choices back, like warrior SMF, 2h enhancement, 2h frost/DW unholy/blood etc, back when they run out of gimmicks, like other classes and races.

I would also like to add that throughout wrath, I was melting people in BGs with 2h enh. It was incredibly RNG, just like in vanilla, but it was still very fun, and effective when procs lined up with abilities.


If you felt I was being rude, you need to take a break from the internet. I was not. I was rather neutral. Get some thicker skin.

I was merely commenting that no one was doing anything serious as enhance (in pve) with 2 hand in wrath.

And that 2h Enhance was only a thing to begin with because of how windfury interacted with it. That aspect is gone.

Bringing back all weapon types (2h and dw) to all classes, would be an insane drain on resources that would dilute the quality of the game even further.

I am sorry you expected only positive thoughts in this thread, and only want people to respond whom agree with you. That is not how things work.


You weren't part of the rude comment, but being offended, and knowing someone is being rude are two different things. There was no purpose to your post but to put down the OP. Did you imagine they would change the title, and erase their post? You knew what was in the thread before reading it.

I think you took me the wrong way as well. You came in pretty hot with comments about taking a break, when I was pointing out there are better ways to disagree. I don't expect anyone is this game to be cordial, ever, which is sad. All I was saying was don't go around looking for an arguement by posting in every thread you disagree with. Sometimes you can just disagree, and not say anything.
09/05/2018 08:27 AMPosted by Pornzlek
constructive


09/05/2018 08:34 AMPosted by Akston
I am sorry you expected only positive thoughts in this thread, and only want people to respond whom agree with you. That is not how things work.

See above. Recycled topic gets old.

Stormstrike and Lava Lash are not useable without an offhand weapon. Dual Wield was level 40 in Classic/BC, then was changed to level 10 after Cata. Now it's a baseline part of the class when you create a Shaman.

The only skills you'd be able to use are Rockbiter, Overcharge talented, Earthen Spike talented, Flametongue, Frostbrand and Crash Lightning along with slower auto attacks because of a 1 second slower weapon speed. Dual wielding shamans will just run circles around you in terms of dps, even taking talents to offset the lack of an offhand weapon.

Why would all the shaman skills scale off attack power so it doesn't matter what the base damage of the weapon is within its own tier then push out a weapon type the class can use.

They scale off agility, not attack power. The only reason the class has access to staves is as a caster option due to the high amount of caster staves. No two handed agility maces or axes exist at 120 and only 1 agility staff from a dungeon.
The rest are two handed polearms which aren't useable.

The class can already use plenty of one handed weapons, there's no reason to add more weapons into the game just to support an aspect of the class that was phased out 10 years ago.

09/05/2018 08:26 PMPosted by Pornzlek
because war mode and pvp skills were added to the game to deliberately cut down the gameplay experience..

So adding more options and giving choice to more talents in a different mode is cutting down your player experience? How?

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