Does ANYONE like RNG gearing?

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The game has always been RNG. To pretend otherwise is lunacy.

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Justice, Honor, Valor and Conquest Points
09/07/2018 01:13 AMPosted by Cyouskin
09/07/2018 01:07 AMPosted by Iirissa
The cost of that gear is fixed so I can naturally figure out how many dungeon runs I would need to do in order to get a upgrade.

We had Justice, Honor, Valor and Conquest Points.

Now we have loot sharing via "Do you need that?" messages.

09/07/2018 01:12 AMPosted by Sephorä
ty for the mvp envolvment here, its nice that a green takes a stance that is not "pro blizz fan boy"

We have our own opinions.

Some people like Titanforging. (A lot like it.) And they have very good arguments in favor of Titanforging.

I'm oldschool in the sense that if you aren't doing to most difficult content, you don't deserve the best gear. You don't deserve even a chance at the best, no matter how slim the chances. If you want to get better gear, do more difficult content.

And again, I'm fine with Thunderforging. An item from Normal having a chance to bump up to Heroic level? Totally fine. An item from Normal having a chance to go to Mythic quality? I'm against it entirely.


I see this point as well. However mythic let alone mythic wasn't even in the game during old school wow. I think if it was old school wow I'd agree with this.
Justice, Honor, Valor and Conquest Points

And now you buy off rep vendors, whats your point here? No matter what currency used in wow, and there have been a lot...you still relied on drops that are and always were rng.
09/07/2018 01:44 AMPosted by Iskandi

Oh you know how people like to exaggerate how bad it is, esp when they conveniently forget how much worse it used to be.


Sounds like you never Pvp'd before legion. Most seasons you could be fully BiS. These days its almost impossible.
09/07/2018 01:49 AMPosted by Iskandi
Justice, Honor, Valor and Conquest Points

And now you buy off rep vendors, whats your point here? No matter what currency used in wow, and there have been a lot...you still relied on drops that are and always were rng.


You're making it sound like rep vendors are a replacement to points, which is wrong because first of all they've existed at the same time. Second of all, gear off of rep vendors are earned by something I don't like doing (rep grinding), and points were earned through something I enjoyed doing (running dungeons/battlegrounds).
09/07/2018 01:49 AMPosted by Ármstrong
09/07/2018 01:44 AMPosted by Iskandi

Oh you know how people like to exaggerate how bad it is, esp when they conveniently forget how much worse it used to be.


Sounds like you never Pvp'd before legion. Most seasons you could be fully BiS. These days its almost impossible.


Oh i pvpd i did it in BC/wrath/cata/wod to get the gear grinded my butt off in bgs and rateds. I remember how long it took to actually gear. By far wod was the fastest
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Justice, Honor, Valor and Conquest Points[/quote]

Justice and honor, sure. Those were the bottom tier stuff. The upper tier stuff meant getting tokens to drop for you (random), or going to do Arena(screw that).

My point is that this game has never been without RNG. To make it sound like it's some kind of recent burden is just silly.
As far as deterministic paths to gear is concerned: Tailors, Leatherworkers, and Blacksmiths can also craft themselves raid-quality BoP gear. Randomized secondary stats, so there's some RNG involved, but overall that's less important than having the bump in primary stats given by the ilvl increase.

Yes, there's a lot of RNG in the game. There's less of it in BFA than there was in Legion (with its god-awful random legendaries), and for that I'm grateful.
09/07/2018 01:40 AMPosted by Ármstrong
09/07/2018 01:29 AMPosted by Uristä

Grinding gold for boes.
Grinding rep for rep gear.
Grinding dungeons for BoP craftable gear.
Grinding conquest for conquest gear.

To a lesser degree, climbing to a high rank for your pvp cache, and climbing to high M+ for you M+ cache, which while random, WILL give you high quality gear.

You also have rng mitigation with fate tokens.


Boe being on the AH is Rng. The Boe dropping in the first place is RNG
Grinding Rep gear- the rep gear is already ( if not almost) outdated by the time you reach the rep
Craftable gear was outdated ages ago, and the expansion was just released.
The conquest gear is literally Rng.
Pvp cache- Rng
M+ cache- Rng


No? Boe's dropping are rng, but you can just go look and see what there is to buy.
Champs and 7th legion could easily be exalted for many by now, and their rewards are relevant.
355 crafted gear is the equivalent of raid gear, and you can craft better gear than that.
There is no rng in conquest.
I explained what I meant with Caches. It is rng, but you are guaranteed to get loot of a certain minimum quality.
Nobody likes rng anything since forever

They just want what they have come for and vamoosh :P
Nope.

Remember back in wrath, when blizzard recognized that the RNG merry go round was unpleasant to a vast majority of the playerbase, and introduced badge of justice, tradeable in certain quantities for epic quality, well itemized pieces of gear from the vendor? So even if the RNG gods screwed you, with enough dungeon and raid runs you could still buy something decent that was an upgrade.

Remember when raids expressed frustration with class only tier pieces going to waste thanks to the RNG gods, so blizzard introduced tokens that could be used by multiple classes and turned in for a tier piece useful for their class and spec to minimize waste?

I find it wholly bizarre that blizzard has taken these solutions, which were by and far a HUGE success and took a lot of the frustration out of RNG gearing, and has taken about 300 steps backwards.
09/07/2018 12:35 AMPosted by Ármstrong
Oh look, another whinging idiot that is new to WoW.

Welcome to WoW, where if you play the game you get random loot, same as ever.

Cry more.


Have been in WoW since 2005 noob, the RNG was never, ever this bad. Moreover, there were many ways to gear that were certain, outside of random chance.


It was objectively worse in classic. You could go months without seeing upgrades due to being bombarded by drops nobody in your raid needed for a long time.
I'm numb to the rng in WoW after having played Black Desert for several months. Gearing up in that game is beyond infuriating and WoW gearing feels carebear by comparison.
09/07/2018 12:33 AMPosted by Phitz
You're thinking like a player, not a business.

Shouldn't a player think like a player?

...And a business that runs on players significantly consider the impacts of their changes as perceived by players, who think like players?
09/07/2018 02:42 AMPosted by Athiniel

It was objectively worse in classic. You could go months without seeing upgrades due to being bombarded by drops nobody in your raid needed for a long time.


Fair point, before patch 2.0 it was worse
09/07/2018 01:48 AMPosted by Blessonline
I see this point as well. However mythic let alone mythic wasn't even in the game during old school wow. I think if it was old school wow I'd agree with this.

They made a lot of improvements, sure. Heroic wasn't a thing until mid-WOTLK (in the form of hard modes), and now we have 4 difficulty modes.

RNG is largely okay. I feel there are too many RNG elements in the game and the game design is built around effectively nothing except RNG. I hate when progression is designed around spreadsheets. Balancing and Tuning class damage/healing/TMI, totally fine. Using statistics as a substitute for effort and skill? I hate that.


Justice, Honor, Valor and Conquest Points


Most of those awarded gear that was easily replaced in raids
09/07/2018 03:12 AMPosted by Chipper
Most of those awarded gear that was easily replaced in raids

Exactly their intended purpose. It was there for both progression and Bad Luck Protection.
This much RNG also brings the game closer to pay to win. Why? Well if RNG has been unkind to you, and you have $$, just buy tokens, go to AH, get very high level gear. Bypass the RNG.

If we had assured ways of gearing, or mostly gearing, players are less likely to go buy tok.. oh.. wait a minute...

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