[Fanfic] Jaina and Perfectia Fight Scene

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See, thats another reason why this site might not be ideal for you, perfectia:

Anyone can see if you’re posting on an alt because you and the alt will have the same “post count” under the name.

Other sites are much easier to be anonymous on, or at least facilitate making multiple accounts without the bad reputation of one bleeding into people’s perception of the other. On those sites I think people would focus more on your story instead of on what you’ve said or done in the past, which is what you want, right?
This is a really intense thread
/offers Kinax popcorn
I'm happy that you're getting into writing and all, but ya... posting things that are or can be seen as NSFW with characters that are or look underage is very, very illegal everywhere, save for deep web sites. Not really, either. It is still illegal, just kinda... that place is known for it. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that's 87% of the problem with most here, honestly.

Also, I already noticed someone going over the grammar thing, so I won't drag on with that. I do highly recommend trying to work over it, though, I can promise everything will look so much cleaner and easier to read.

Ooh, and Grammarly. It's pretty cool, it helps out with commas, spelling, synonyms to add some umph, that kinda stuff. It's pretty useful for cleaning out all of the small things our eyes gloss over in editing. There's a premium service to it, but to be honest that's just kind of meh. That's just more of the detailed stuff, passive voice and all of that. It's totally worth it to check out, helps for working on it too. One problem is it really doesn't like some names, and it'll show them as red. Hemingway is the same, but that's mostly focused on passive voice and run-on sentences.

As for writing about major lore characters... yaaa. Most of the problem is that even though our characters are the saviors of Azeroth, pumped up with our Heart of Azeroth after getting done with kicking around a titan, Jaina is still Jaina. Sylvanas is still Sylvanas. We might stand a few seconds against them, but the likelihood of beating them is slim to none. Even if you were encased in Azerite as armor, they'd still likely be able to crumple you like a piece of paper. That's not even taking strategies into account.

To be honest, I'm guilty of this too... a few years ago, I wrote a small story about my mage beating up Azshara and ending the War early. I just finished reading the War of the Ancients trilogy, and I was totally pumped on all of that... not one of my proudest stories, haha.
Ok, but if you just read the war of the ancients trilogy then you know that Blizzard has been paying writers to write exactly that: their fanfiction original characters putting into motion major historical events by facing, fighting, or teaching major lore characters.
So I have just started lurking the WET again after years and I'm seeing your threads be deleted due to your Instagram due to illustrated pornography, which may include depictions of minors in sexually compromising positions. You weren't even courteous enough to warn that some content may not be appropriate for general audiences. That's not cool.

A lot of people are really uncomfortable with fantasies involving children being sexually assaulted. People question that if that idea tickles your fancy that you might also be tickled by more dangerous content.

Police actually are known to plant images of illustrated and animated minors online and monitor who downloads it because there's apparently a correlation between those who consume virtual versions of the material and real ones. I don't think people are out of line to be righteously creeped out.

Doubly when you post it on a PG-13 forum.

Furthermore, just FYI, the idea of lewds with a minor being ok if there is a ±4 year gap in age is a state by state law. Federal age of consent is 18, lewd across state lines is distribution of adult material to a minor and is a felony. So if you are doing that in game or on Discord you should stop.

That said, you should publish your work on Archive of Our Own (AO3) where you can appropriately tag things and moderate comments. AO3 won't delete your work.

You should publish your art on an actual art publishing platform where people can toggle the viewing of !@#$ off or on. DeviantArt is a good choice.

Finally, I see you talking about how you have so much more creativity and talent than anyone else here. That's a pretty egotistical and arrogant thing to say. I can say that from looking at your art that your ego is disproportionately large compared to your skills. Maybe you should reel yourself in until you can walk the walk.

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09/23/2018 06:19 AMPosted by Lintsehsu
Ok, but if you just read the war of the ancients trilogy then you know that Blizzard has been paying writers to write exactly that: their fanfiction original characters putting into motion major historical events by facing, fighting, or teaching major lore characters.


If that's the case, uh... I gotta go. I think I landed myself a job as a writer for Blizzard. Score! Next time you see the name Sevrece, she's gonna be beating up N'zoth. This is gonna be awesome.

But I dunno, never really thought of it that way. Still don't really, think it's just kind of an opinion thing on the way things are written. Maybe it's more apparent with the newer books, bleeding into the older? I know there's been a decent amount of speak with Christie Golden's books being in that vain.
(... Continuation)

I haven't read through your literature to comment because I'm writing this on my phone and prefer reading fiction on my PC where I can enlarge and change the fonts. Given other's suggestions, I would advise turning your word processor checking up to super rigid. Then run it through the hemmingway app, then run it through the word processor again. Then find a website that will read your writing outloud to you and listen to your writing and make corrections. After these steps you are ready to publish. (I need to do this with my old works.)

Your ego though. Maybe you're young, from a small town, from a small school, and people have been praising you as talented and creative because compared to those around you, you are. To me you are still very much a learner. Usually your work contains no coloring, no inking, no shading, it's not very impressive.

Please consider taking not only some art classes, including life drawing and color theory, but also some art history so you learn what makes art great. Also, photo references are your friend.

I would not take your crudely pencil drawn and unshaded smut and hang it in a museum. I would also not pay you money for your art.

You are not as great as you think you are. You might want to cool your jets because ego without achievement won't win you many friends.
09/23/2018 07:55 AMPosted by Sevrece
09/23/2018 06:19 AMPosted by Lintsehsu
Ok, but if you just read the war of the ancients trilogy then you know that Blizzard has been paying writers to write exactly that: their fanfiction original characters putting into motion major historical events by facing, fighting, or teaching major lore characters.


If that's the case, uh... I gotta go. I think I landed myself a job as a writer for Blizzard. Score! Next time you see the name Sevrece, she's gonna be beating up N'zoth. This is gonna be awesome.

But I dunno, never really thought of it that way. Still don't really, think it's just kind of an opinion thing on the way things are written. Maybe it's more apparent with the newer books, bleeding into the older? I know there's been a decent amount of speak with Christie Golden's books being in that vain.


Actually most of the “original fanfiction characters beating up or schooling significant lore characters” I saw were from other authors, especially Knaak. He wrote a book about his new character Rhonin TEACHING ILLIDAN HOW TO MAGIC, which is significant because illidan’s magic path set off much of the history of the world, including the creation of things like the world tree and the sunwell.

He also wrote the aforementioned Broxxigar injuring Sargeras enough to make him think “huh... those orc things are pretty tough! Maybe I should use them...”

Nothing I’ve read that is written by Christie has been THAT egregiously self-fellating. She just seems to really like certain established lore characters and make them very idealized. Thats bad storytelilng, but not as bad as the above, in my opinion.
09/23/2018 08:36 AMPosted by Lintsehsu
Actually most of the “original fanfiction characters beating up or schooling significant lore characters” I saw were from other authors, especially Knaak. He wrote a book about his new character Rhonin TEACHING ILLIDAN HOW TO MAGIC, which is significant because illidan’s magic path set off much of the history of the world, including the creation of things like the world tree and the sunwell.

He also wrote the aforementioned Broxxigar injuring Sargeras enough to make him think “huh... those orc things are pretty tough! Maybe I should use them...”

Nothing I’ve read that is written by Christie has been THAT egregiously self-fellating. She just seems to really like certain established lore characters and make them very idealized. Thats bad storytelilng, but not as bad as the above, in my opinion.


I can see where you're coming from for that, though it's important to remember at that time in the book, the Highborne had the shield up that prevented most use of the Well from anyone outside of the Palace.

Illidan and the Moon Guard couldn't cast anything since they didn't have access to a majority of their magic. Rhonin swooping in and being like, "Yo, you can just do this instead," kinda makes sense so the poor Night Elves don't need to sit around with a thumb up their bum.

As well, Illidan didn't make the Sunwell. He didn't really have a hand in it, either, except for the vials used being his that the Highborne had for some reason. I think they stole it? I dunno, it was mentioned somewhere. Might have misread that, though. If I did, apologies, lol.

As for the others, *shrug*. I have no idea if Rhonin/Brox existed beforehand, so I can't really comment without likely making some assumptions. And that just makes things messy. As for Christie, ya... that just makes things really cheesy. And explains a lot about why Anduin is being made fun of so much, too... huh. Poor Anduin. He just can't catch a break.
The reason Illidan kept those vials, one of which as you said would become the sunwell, was because of his fascination with power, especially magical power. So to have this random human mage that knaak dreamed up show up and teach him magic is exactly the kind of behavior you described being embarassed by in your early writing days.

My point was that since blizzard's official writers do it I'm not feeling like judging others too harshly for inserting interactions with lore characters into their story.

But since you expressed you didnt want to make assumptions about which writer invented which lore character and when, then I guess we can't really judge either knaak or golden by this metric.
Fair enough. Anyway, at this point it might be safe to agree to disagree, hah. I have a feeling this could go on in circles for a decent bit otherwise, then that'd just derail the derailing that's happened in this thread.
09/23/2018 07:58 AMPosted by Zandrae
(... Continuation)

I haven't read through your literature to comment because I'm writing this on my phone and prefer reading fiction on my PC where I can enlarge and change the fonts. Given other's suggestions, I would advise turning your word processor checking up to super rigid. Then run it through the hemmingway app, then run it through the word processor again. Then find a website that will read your writing outloud to you and listen to your writing and make corrections. After these steps you are ready to publish. (I need to do this with my old works.)

Your ego though. Maybe you're young, from a small town, from a small school, and people have been praising you as talented and creative because compared to those around you, you are. To me you are still very much a learner. Usually your work contains no coloring, no inking, no shading, it's not very impressive.

Please consider taking not only some art classes, including life drawing and color theory, but also some art history so you learn what makes art great. Also, photo references are your friend.

I would not take your crudely pencil drawn and unshaded smut and hang it in a museum. I would also not pay you money for you art.

You are not as great as you think you are. You might want to cool your jets because ego without achievement won't win you many friends.


Well you seem like a talented writer yourself and well, I was hoping to get some good feedback and I'm trying to change for the better.

I deleted some of the vulgar pictures I had but I think the picture with Sylvanas, Perfectia, and Nathanos is the one that's making people upset. I would defend it with the front cover of Christie Golden War Crimes or Bolvar Fordragon being chained spread eagle but it's been falling on def ears. I suppose I'm learning that a woman being put in these postilions will raise some eyebrows, but it's one my favorites.

I'm not drawing to make money, I'm drawing because I enjoy it and I take pride in it and that means ego. Thank you for your feed back.
09/23/2018 08:36 AMPosted by Lintsehsu
Actually most of the “original fanfiction characters beating up or schooling significant lore characters” I saw were from other authors, especially Knaak. He wrote a book about his new character Rhonin TEACHING ILLIDAN HOW TO MAGIC, which is significant because illidan’s magic path set off much of the history of the world, including the creation of things like the world tree and the sunwell.

He also wrote the aforementioned Broxxigar injuring Sargeras enough to make him think “huh... those orc things are pretty tough! Maybe I should use them...”


Lets not forget the one character in Stormrage, who was a stormwind human that could phase into and out of the dream at will because he was stolen to it by fey creatures shortly after his birth, was raised by Eranikus, and was the worlds only hope despite having no druidic training.

The story ended with him going to be taught by Malfurion.

That character didn't ever show up ever again, for good reason.

...Knaak...

09/23/2018 10:30 AMPosted by Perfectia
I deleted some of the vulgar pictures I had but I think the picture with Sylvanas, Perfectia, and Nathanos is the one that's making people upset.


I haven't read your story or looked at your drawings, I don't think I want to, but if that's the picture that involves sexually explicit content, then yeah that's what people are upset about.

In fact, you should remove ALL DRAWINGS THAT HAVE ANY KIND OF EXPLICIT SEXUAL CONTENT IN THEM IF YOU'RE GOING TO SHARE IT HERE, ESPECIALLY IF ONE OF THE CHARACTERS IS BELOW THE AGE OF 18

09/23/2018 10:30 AMPosted by Perfectia
I would defend it with the front cover of Christie Golden War Crimes or Bolvar Fordragon being chained spread eagle but it's been falling on def ears.


The thing about those is that they weren't intended to have a sexual context, they were meant to convey that Garrosh was captured and imprisoned, facing the judgement of all he had wronged as they stared down at him.

Bolvar meanwhile was chained up to convey that the Lich King was trying to take his free will, tormenting him in the most brutal and inhumane ways possible as well as showing that Bolvar was still a prisoner of Arthas.

If that's what you were trying to convey with your artwork, feelings of oppression and brutality and/or judgement, something is overshadowing it and you need to open your eyes to what.
09/23/2018 01:30 AMPosted by Telavani
09/23/2018 01:20 AMPosted by Titanrage
Perfectia, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.


"And you are wise, one would hardly suppose
That your eye was steady as ever;
Yet you are holding a fine ring on your nose-
What made you so awfully clever?"


Okay now I’m angry. Don’t you EVER turn down an opportunity for a Billy Madison quote, understand? Cause if peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
09/23/2018 11:03 AMPosted by Banrok
09/23/2018 08:36 AMPosted by Lintsehsu
Actually most of the “original fanfiction characters beating up or schooling significant lore characters” I saw were from other authors, especially Knaak. He wrote a book about his new character Rhonin TEACHING ILLIDAN HOW TO MAGIC, which is significant because illidan’s magic path set off much of the history of the world, including the creation of things like the world tree and the sunwell.

He also wrote the aforementioned Broxxigar injuring Sargeras enough to make him think “huh... those orc things are pretty tough! Maybe I should use them...”


Lets not forget the one character in Stormrage, who was a stormwind human that could phase into and out of the dream at will because he was stolen to it by fey creatures shortly after his birth, was raised by Eranikus, and was the worlds only hope despite having no druidic training.

The story ended with him going to be taught by Malfurion.

That character didn't ever show up ever again, for good reason.

...Knaak...

09/23/2018 10:30 AMPosted by Perfectia
I deleted some of the vulgar pictures I had but I think the picture with Sylvanas, Perfectia, and Nathanos is the one that's making people upset.


I haven't read your story or looked at your drawings, I don't think I want to, but if that's the picture that involves sexually explicit content, then yeah that's what people are upset about.

In fact, you should remove ALL DRAWINGS THAT HAVE ANY KIND OF EXPLICIT SEXUAL CONTENT IN THEM IF YOU'RE GOING TO SHARE IT HERE, ESPECIALLY IF ONE OF THE CHARACTERS IS BELOW THE AGE OF 18

09/23/2018 10:30 AMPosted by Perfectia
I would defend it with the front cover of Christie Golden War Crimes or Bolvar Fordragon being chained spread eagle but it's been falling on def ears.


The thing about those is that they weren't intended to have a sexual context, they were meant to convey that Garrosh was captured and imprisoned, facing the judgement of all he had wronged as they stared down at him.

Bolvar meanwhile was chained up to convey that the Lich King was trying to take his free will, tormenting him in the most brutal and inhumane ways possible as well as showing that Bolvar was still a prisoner of Arthas.

If that's what you were trying to convey with your artwork, feelings of oppression and brutality and/or judgement, something is overshadowing it and you need to open your eyes to what.


Yeah I know, but people took it as sexual and I didn't think there was anything wrong with it. I tried to defend it, but that just the way it came out, and how people proceeded it, and I'm kind of okay with that now.

The picture was suppose to be Sylvanas trying to take the soul of Alexandros Mograine from Perfectia body. I guess I could made another one but I was trying emphasize the similarity between what Sylvanas doing to Perfectia and Arthas did to Bolvar but that would has been WAY over the top in the the images of sexual bondage, in my first few sketches.

Genders, what can you do? If you could suggest something though.
I guess I could still put her in more in armor when I decide to color, but as of right now I feel like I'm walking on thin ice as it is.
09/23/2018 08:36 AMPosted by Lintsehsu
09/23/2018 07:55 AMPosted by Sevrece
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If that's the case, uh... I gotta go. I think I landed myself a job as a writer for Blizzard. Score! Next time you see the name Sevrece, she's gonna be beating up N'zoth. This is gonna be awesome.

But I dunno, never really thought of it that way. Still don't really, think it's just kind of an opinion thing on the way things are written. Maybe it's more apparent with the newer books, bleeding into the older? I know there's been a decent amount of speak with Christie Golden's books being in that vain.


Actually most of the “original fanfiction characters beating up or schooling significant lore characters” I saw were from other authors, especially Knaak. He wrote a book about his new character Rhonin TEACHING ILLIDAN HOW TO MAGIC, which is significant because illidan’s magic path set off much of the history of the world, including the creation of things like the world tree and the sunwell.

He also wrote the aforementioned Broxxigar injuring Sargeras enough to make him think “huh... those orc things are pretty tough! Maybe I should use them...”

Nothing I’ve read that is written by Christie has been THAT egregiously self-fellating. She just seems to really like certain established lore characters and make them very idealized. Thats bad storytelilng, but not as bad as the above, in my opinion.


Knaack's work was work for hire, so he wrote what Blizzard said was needed in outline form. So was Christie's in that matter.

I don't have a problem with Rhonin teaching Illidan how to magic, because if you go through his awakening, it's clear that while he had talent, he was in sore need of instruction and refinement. And even godsmacking talent can be taught from someone with experience and skill which was what Rhonin had, and Illidan lacked, not having slogged through decades of instruction and hard experience in war.
Oh gosh, this is still going...
I attacked Jaina in game in the horde jail break intro... she killed me instantly. Just wanted to throw that in here.

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