As a casual player, I'm unsubbing with my friends and here is why

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09/28/2018 08:52 PMPosted by Deadhorse
09/28/2018 08:36 PMPosted by Rêmedi
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My points are clear enough, I'd be happy to break it down for you if English isn't your native language


I think they mean it's better to elaborate on some of the things you said. For example you listed a lot of stuff and just said it is boring. So what makes it boring?

Blizzard had pages and pages and pages and pages of very specific feedback and still failed to make any changes. Check out the thread XP From Dungeons.

If you're inspecific, you "need to be more specific"
If you're specific, you're "not being constructive" or
"You need to propose a solution."

You may as well write "bla bla bla"
Blizzard is sunsetting Wow. They will fire ion and other devs over BFA but just as a way to cut costs.
I have no idea who this content was supposed to appeal to if even casual, guildless players like myself are at a point where they're running out of things to do. I don't want to have to resort to spamming mythics this early on in the expansion, seeing as those same dungeons are going to have to entertain me for the next two years. I was going to get into doing the raid with my wife's guild, but I just haven't had any real motivation to log in.

I love the new areas of the world that they added in BFA. I wish there was stuff to do in them.
Then you are part of the problem.

Be part of the solution.

He's not being paid to solve the problem, and your cute passive-aggressiveness doesn't change that.
09/28/2018 08:34 PMPosted by Lokath
Try to make your points clear and concise.

The developers respond better to actionable feedback.


I really had no problem seeing what they didn't like based on what was written. If getting hung up by a tree branch crossing a bridge on your mount is annoying, do you have to explain what bridge and what branch? Probably not.

Sometimes boring is sufficient. Often players don't even know the reasons why it feels boring, they just feel bored. But if lots of people are bored then as a developer you probably want to figure out why. Some will elaborate, some won't.
They messed up big time, no one enjoys WoW in it's current state.

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absolute rubbish

We were talking about this in our raid tonight. Quite a few members have played since the beginning and they all said that people must have rose coloured glasses as wow is far better now then in classic
lol

i do love the 'i'm not just quitting, i'm taking all my friends with me' posts.

its such a sad and pathetic attempt at trying to make you seem more important than you really are. We all know by friends, you actually mean your in game pets.
09/29/2018 05:52 AMPosted by Bowberry
They messed up big time, no one enjoys WoW in it's current state.

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absolute rubbish

We were talking about this in our raid tonight. Quite a few members have played since the beginning and they all said that people must have rose coloured glasses as wow is far better now then in classic

You’re level 82, what are you raiding?

Oh, you’re posting on an alt. Typical.
Love these posts. I’m gonna !@#$% and moan about a video game. Then when people disagree with me I’m gonna ^-*! on them.
09/28/2018 08:41 PMPosted by Orthane
They messed up big time, no one enjoys WoW in it's current state.

New Player that I tried to get into WoW at BFA launch:

"Whoa Void Elf looks cool why can't I play them?"

"Oh sorry, you have to go to previous content and spend 2 months grinding rep, I know, it's stupid"

"Okay, well how about the Dark Iron Dwarf then?"

"You have to hit max level and spend 2 months grinding rep, yup I know, it's stupid"

"Is there anything I can do without having to spend 2 months grinding rep?"

"uhhh not really"

Hardcore players don't enjoy it because the grind to keep an alt up to par with your main is so hard that you'll get burned out within a month. The new Personal Loot system means they can't use the old tactic of funneling gear to mains through alts anymore either, but they still have to do it for the chance that they can trade it, which means that they have to keep an alt at the same iLvl as their main. While still doing the CoA rep grind, and clearing the map of AP everyday.

The Semi-Hardcore players which I somewhat consider myself to be aren't enjoying it because the grind is awful, time-gated content is awful, the RNG on things like loot makes everyone angry constantly. The fact that if we get something that isn't an upgrade, but is higher iLvl and can't trade it is awful. Forcing the Guild to have "Farming days" because Feasts, flasks, and pre-pots are so damn expensive to make because the mats are too rare that we have to grind it out every week or we would all be broke is just annoying.

And the casuals don't enjoy it because the only things for them to do simply aren't fun. Then on top of that they're not rewarding either. Doing an entire dungeon and not seeing a single item drop is ridiculous. It should be a guaranteed 1 drop with a chance at more. World Quests simply aren't fun, they never were. Islands and Warfronts are also boring. On top of that you can't even get the story without doing a Mythic dungeon.

This expack is just a mess.


Has it really been 2 months?

It will be 2 months since launch in October 14th.

I am 12% through revered. Holy hell.

But HOW are some people already unlocked?

We were talking about this in our raid tonight. Quite a few members have played since the beginning and they all said that people must have rose coloured glasses as wow is far better now then in classic


No you didn't. I have yet to meet a single person that has played since vanilla that thinks the game is in a better state then it was. Pretty much since Cata the content has continued to be dumbed down and more and more time gated rewards locking progression have been added.

Personally I blame it on the mouth-breathing neckbeards that couldn't complete attunement chains in TBC causing the loud vocal outrage about being able to access content without actually being good enough to do it. That's how we ended up with LFR.
Blizzard target audience is not casuals. It's people with addictive personality traits that they can manipulate into buying things they don't need or even really want. The fact is blizzard is in the economy of scale category and offers digital products. There is virtually no limit to the supply of their products. Most of the content is created with old assets, so there is very little cost to creating new content. The consumer is being price gouged by these types of businesses. The mark up on services and fancy cosmetic items is extraordinarily high and should be regulated by the government. BUT, that's unlikely to happen because the people in government are old, and focused on more important issues(supposedly).
09/29/2018 06:48 AMPosted by Comedy
Blizzard target audience is not casuals. It's people with addictive personality traits that they can manipulate into buying things they don't need or even really want.

And they are likely ramping up grind in preparation for the eventual F2P/P2W transition. Such games include excessive grind to encourage players to buy the items that bypass the grinds.
09/29/2018 06:48 AMPosted by Comedy
Blizzard target audience is not casuals. It's people with addictive personality traits that they can manipulate into buying things they don't need or even really want. The fact is blizzard is in the economy of scale category and offers digital products. There is virtually no limit to the supply of their products. Most of the content is created with old assets, so there is very little cost to creating new content. The consumer is being price gouged by these types of businesses. The mark up on services and fancy cosmetic items is extraordinarily high and should be regulated by the government. BUT, that's unlikely to happen because the people in government are old, and focused on more important issues(supposedly).


So the audience is whales?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlYafmSO3TY

Makes sense considering Kul'tiras and the Outriggers.

In another thread a raider said they spent $40 per month just on consumables/flasks/food by using tokens

That aside there's no way gov could regulate it. Lootboxes? Maybe, but not digital cosmetics.
I'm not having fun either. I think I'm growing out of the game. I can't pinpoint it. It's moving fast, I'm just old now. All I do is check wowhead, check Asmongold, check mmochamp, drink coffee and this is all while I'm logged in, then I log out.

I picked up some books on poker and how to play card games at the casino and I guess me and the hubbs will try that for a while as a new hobby.
09/28/2018 08:28 PMPosted by Rêmedi
Island expeditions are boring, azerite traits are also boring, warfronts are boring, gated content makes this feel like a mobile game. Dailies are also boring... allied race rep grind is terrible. RNG for loot is absolutely terrible, it sucks so much to spend time in a Mythic + to get nothing at the end of it. We should be rewarded for our in-game time and efforts.

Mostly agree.

To me, the two biggest problems with this expac are:

1 - Ruining the "feel" of combat with changes to the GCD.
2 - Too much of the same 'ol same 'ol "kill X".

On item 1, the "feel" of combat in WoW used to be a strength compared to other games like FFXIV. I hated FFXIV for that reason and I always knew that when I came back to WoW after a break, it felt great. Changes to the GCD make the game feel clumsy, slow, and regressive.

On item 2 ... the game can be boiled down to "kill this". No matter what you do now, it's a permutation of this. And as much as that can be fun in limited quantity, there is no variety. Why aren't Warfronts more like old Wintergrasp with guns, and tanks, and siege vehicles, in a pvp format?

The game needs to be more "interesting". Yes, you can keep the core/soul of the game ( which is kill X ), but you need variety to go along with it, not just more kill X in a different skin.
09/28/2018 08:28 PMPosted by Rêmedi
Not making this a whining post, I like the Dev team - they do a great job. I just think the direction this game is taking is pretty poor.


LOL
09/28/2018 08:28 PMPosted by Rêmedi
Not making this a whining post, I like the Dev team - they do a great job. I just think the direction this game is taking is pretty poor. I realize that Blizzard's target audience = casuals, but they missed the mark with us. For my friends that are more serious/competitive, they missed the mark with them as well.

Island expeditions are boring, azerite traits are also boring, warfronts are boring, gated content makes this feel like a mobile game. Dailies are also boring... allied race rep grind is terrible. RNG for loot is absolutely terrible, it sucks so much to spend time in a Mythic + to get nothing at the end of it. We should be rewarded for our in-game time and efforts.

All the classes being pruned means that rotations are boring, there's not enough abilities off of the GCD for this to be fun. Haste needs to be baseline at 15-25% or something, we came from FFXIV and if we wanted to play FFXIV, then we'd go back to it.

As for the PVP, everything seems imbalanced per usual... but we all really miss buying PvP gear with tokens. Their needs to be a Raid/Mythic PvP vendor as well, I know you all think that you artificially inflate game-time through getting rid of this, but really you just frustrate all of us into leaving. If we were relatively geared to the teeth... then we would ALL play alts and do it again, this does not lead to a mass exodus like you think... it looks like this is biting you guys hard.

Anyways, I have just one opinion amongst a sea of many... but I also speak for the 3 close friends that I have that are quitting as well. Thanks for reading this, if you even are.

- Rem


well all i can say is have a good one and look up GW2 when you have the time if you have not got it yet.
"I'm not gonna make a whiney post"

*Goes on to whine*
09/28/2018 08:34 PMPosted by Lokath
Try to make your points clear and concise.

The developers respond better to actionable feedback.


They should respond to anything since it's their job and you know they work for money it's what makes WoW go round

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