Vulpera and high elves

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09/25/2018 09:36 PMPosted by Rdord
Vulpera is just a small handful of deviants coordinating a campaign through a discord.
They are a joke race that was made up out of thin air with very little backstory. The zone they inhabit is one of the least popular of the entire expansion.

On the other hand, High Elves have legitimate and widespread community support and they have actual, interesting lore behind them.
Yet we have void elves who are practically plucked from thin air if velfs can become a allied race Vulpera are a shoe in.
09/25/2018 02:13 PMPosted by Caliko
But we already have high elves on both sides.


NO! VOID ELVES DONT COUNT! Nobody asked for void elves! I have wanted high elves for the longest time and we get void elves.
09/25/2018 09:36 PMPosted by Rdord
Vulpera is just a small handful of deviants coordinating a campaign through a discord.
They are a joke race that was made up out of thin air with very little backstory. The zone they inhabit is one of the least popular of the entire expansion.

On the other hand, High Elves have legitimate and widespread community support and they have actual, interesting lore behind them.


Yet Vulpera are more likely to be playable. And this is coming from a Silver Covenant fan.

Don't be hating on the Vulpera, they are cute and dolly and dot are my best friends. Leave your own annecdotical bias outside of this, pls.
09/25/2018 09:12 PMPosted by Grayphus
09/25/2018 07:12 PMPosted by Lemres
Sethrak and Naga?


Sethraks may be a possibility, as they have also received some attention from Aunt Blizz, but they are on a very heavy veil and no news is being seen so far!
I'm hopeful! At least until Aunt Blizz says no!

Nagas? Nagas will never be a playable race, as much as some people insist on ignoring many factors that make these damn evil creatures either with the Alliance or with the Horde!

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I mean we almost had them as a playable race. Just couldn't get them to fit on the mounts. Also apparently we almost had demons! So evil doesn't really seem to matter in the grant scheme of things.
09/25/2018 09:36 PMPosted by Rdord
High Elves have legitimate and widespread community support


Legitimate? AHAHAH! Please!
Show me your certificate of legitimacy, which makes High Elves's requests more pertinent than the requests made by vulpera, which are pertinent to the lore of BfA, which arise in BfA and participate in events in BfA!

09/25/2018 09:36 PMPosted by Rdord
Vulpera is just a small handful of deviants coordinating a campaign through a discord.


And yet, they exhibit better organization and movement than the self-proclaimed 'legitimate' ones, which are also a targets of mockery of other players who do not approve of High Elves as an alliance-playing race, who continually create countless topicals for High Elves and polute GD and being targets of execration of other community members and do not seem willing to concentrate their efforts on a single mega topic, because they are more disorderly than the named deviants!
Nice job!

That pity, that their voices and requests by High Elves have less volume and scope than a small group, compared to the mutiplicity of lovers of High Elves!
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lore says right HERE- that a high elf is someone who sees the sunwell as holy/sacred, who IS connected to the sunwell like any high elf (due to the previous mentioned) and who serves the Sun king. Alliance elves are NONE of those things.

1) If they want to destroy the sunwell, for ANY reason- they are NOT a high elf.
2) if they removed themselves willingly from the sunwell, for political reasons or otherwise- and thus, do not drawn from its power anymore- they are NOT high elves.
3) if they abandoned their king, their homeland or what made them high elves to start with- read the above 2.

its the difference between alliance elves being referred to high elves, ONLY for a nobility they dont have vs real nobility changing their name (not race) but remaining true high elves.

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if the alliance traitor elves were high elves- they would have golden eyes, regardless of where they are. but they willingly cut themselves off from the sunwell- leaving their bodies in a limbo from the last time they were connected to it (when it was arcane). they have not been high elves since the 2nd war.

the SUNWELL defines who is high elf and who isnt. this is a fact.

aka the High Elves ARE HORDE.

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sick of the biology and culture vs modernism arguments.

/discussion


/your opinion.

By this very logic, when the Sunwell imploded and the Blood Elves resorted to Fel because their was no Sunwell to get their magic fix from, they are no longer High Elves either. The sunwell is not the same as it was before. So thank you, for establishing that you realize Blood Elves are not High Elves they once were.


The vast majority of Blood Elves did not go with Kael to Outlands.

The vast majority of Blood Elves did not rely on fel to sate their need for magic. They used magic items and live creatures like mana wyrms. This is canon.

The only fel in Silvermoon is the crystals powering the city itself when the Sunwell was inert. Now that it is back, there is zero reason to presume the crystals are still there.

Eyes should never have been green unless they went to the Outland or were warlocks.

Also? If there's a substance you have to take into your body or you shrivel up, become mindless and DIE? That's not an addiction. That's a biological need. Would you say you're "addicted" to water and need your "fix" when you're dehydrated?
There will be no new races in the expansion . It’s obvious guys
09/25/2018 09:49 PMPosted by Xenophontes
09/25/2018 02:13 PMPosted by Caliko
But we already have high elves on both sides.


NO! VOID ELVES DONT COUNT! Nobody asked for void elves! I have wanted high elves for the longest time and we get void elves.


Just because you don't personally like them doesn't mean they don't count. They are still literally the exact same biology as Blood Elves and Silver covenant, just with void corruption. When you see orcs and humans and whatnot all full of Old God void corruption through any of the Twilight Hammer areas, are they somehow, magically, no longer a member of their race?

This is a specious argument you people make just to stomp your feet that you didn't get the present you wanted, therefore it doesn't count.
09/25/2018 09:49 PMPosted by Xenophontes
09/25/2018 02:13 PMPosted by Caliko
But we already have high elves on both sides.


NO! VOID ELVES DONT COUNT! Nobody asked for void elves! I have wanted high elves for the longest time and we get void elves.


When we got those void elves what it was obvious that high elf’s weren’t going be included.
09/25/2018 10:01 PMPosted by Grayphus
09/25/2018 09:36 PMPosted by Rdord
High Elves have legitimate and widespread community support


Legitimate? AHAHAH! Please!
Show me your certificate of legitimacy, which makes High Elves's requests more pertinent than the requests made by vulpera, which are pertinent to the lore of BfA, which arise in BfA and participate in events in BfA!

09/25/2018 09:36 PMPosted by Rdord
Vulpera is just a small handful of deviants coordinating a campaign through a discord.


And yet, they exhibit better organization and movement than the self-proclaimed 'legitimate' ones, which are also a targets of mockery of other players who do not approve of High Elves as an alliance-playing race, who continually create countless topicals for High Elves and polute GD and being targets of execration of other community members and do not seem willing to concentrate their efforts on a single mega topic, because they are more disorderly than the named deviants!
Nice job!

That pity, that their voices and requests by High Elves have less volume and scope than a small group, compared to the mutiplicity of lovers of High Elves!
Setherak and Vulpera community really keeps to themselves I think we even had a green or two praised them for being so organized.
09/25/2018 10:15 PMPosted by Tabaqui
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/your opinion.

By this very logic, when the Sunwell imploded and the Blood Elves resorted to Fel because their was no Sunwell to get their magic fix from, they are no longer High Elves either. The sunwell is not the same as it was before. So thank you, for establishing that you realize Blood Elves are not High Elves they once were.


The vast majority of Blood Elves did not go with Kael to Outlands.

The vast majority of Blood Elves did not rely on fel to sate their need for magic. They used magic items and live creatures like mana wyrms. This is canon.

The only fel in Silvermoon is the crystals powering the city itself when the Sunwell was inert. Now that it is back, there is zero reason to presume the crystals are still there.

Eyes should never have been green unless they went to the Outland or were warlocks.

Also? If there's a substance you have to take into your body or you shrivel up, become mindless and DIE? That's not an addiction. That's a biological need. Would you say you're "addicted" to water and need your "fix" when you're dehydrated?
Wasn't the green eyes just because they had been around the fel used to power their city and not them siphoning it?
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/your opinion.

By this very logic, when the Sunwell imploded and the Blood Elves resorted to Fel because their was no Sunwell to get their magic fix from, they are no longer High Elves either. The sunwell is not the same as it was before. So thank you, for establishing that you realize Blood Elves are not High Elves they once were.


The vast majority of Blood Elves did not go with Kael to Outlands.

The vast majority of Blood Elves did not rely on fel to sate their need for magic. They used magic items and live creatures like mana wyrms. This is canon.

The only fel in Silvermoon is the crystals powering the city itself when the Sunwell was inert. Now that it is back, there is zero reason to presume the crystals are still there.

Eyes should never have been green unless they went to the Outland or were warlocks.

Also? If there's a substance you have to take into your body or you shrivel up, become mindless and DIE? That's not an addiction. That's a biological need. Would you say you're "addicted" to water and need your "fix" when you're dehydrated?


I never said they all went with Keal'thas. He sent the Crystals back along with the knowledge of Mana tap. And while yes, the crystals were used to power their structures, they too were used to siphon and feed their magical addiction. This was not limited to Silvermoon, as you can see that the Crystals are affecting the Treants and the Lynx in the starting area of the Sunstrider Isles. Just being in the proximity of it infected the creatures that the Blood Elves sucked the life from. The taint of Fel was everywhere, that's why all Blood Elves have green eyes. High Elves, even the pilgrims, didn't mana tap the creatures there.. this is why yo font see this mutation in them.

Now yes, the crystals are gone or depleted. But that is because Blood Elves no longer need it now that their sunwell was reignited by the loving light of a Naaru. This is why Blood Elves eyes are changing to gold.
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The vast majority of Blood Elves did not go with Kael to Outlands.

The vast majority of Blood Elves did not rely on fel to sate their need for magic. They used magic items and live creatures like mana wyrms. This is canon.

The only fel in Silvermoon is the crystals powering the city itself when the Sunwell was inert. Now that it is back, there is zero reason to presume the crystals are still there.

Eyes should never have been green unless they went to the Outland or were warlocks.

Also? If there's a substance you have to take into your body or you shrivel up, become mindless and DIE? That's not an addiction. That's a biological need. Would you say you're "addicted" to water and need your "fix" when you're dehydrated?
Wasn't the green eyes just because they had been around the fel used to power their city and not them siphoning it?


Yes, exactly. The whole "sucking fel" thing is so stupid, especially when it comes from people who claim to "know the lore" as to why they should get "high elves."

And I still believe that powering the city with the crystals shouldn't have been MORE of an influence than the arcane magic they were sucking from magic items and creatures. Blue and green eyes should have been a thing from the start.
09/25/2018 10:46 PMPosted by Curemaster
And while yes, the crystals were used to power their structures, they too were used to siphon and feed their magical addiction.


It's not an addiction if you literally need it to live and wither up and die without it. It's a biological need.
09/25/2018 10:50 PMPosted by Tabaqui
09/25/2018 10:46 PMPosted by Curemaster
And while yes, the crystals were used to power their structures, they too were used to siphon and feed their magical addiction.


It's not an addiction if you literally need it to live and wither up and die without it. It's a biological need.


For nearly 7,000 years, high elven society centered on the sacred Sunwell, a magical fount that was created using a vial of pure arcane energy from the first Well of Eternity. Nourished and strengthened by the Sunwell’s potent energies, the high elves’ enchanted kingdom of Quel'Thalas prospered within the verdant forests north of Lordaeron. During the Third War, however, the high elves were nearly scoured from Azeroth. Led by the death knightArthas, a Scourge army stormed into Quel'Thalas, slaughtering almost ninety percent of the kingdom’s population. Arthas then used the mystical Sunwell to resurrect the fallen necromancer Kel'Thuzad, irrevocably tainting the fount in the process. Prince Kael'thas Sunstrider rushed to his homeland's aid, and the survivors of the onslaught were renamed the "blood elves" in honor of their fallen people.[6]  The tainted Sunwell was destroyed, but the elves had grown addicted to its energies over the years, and were left weakened and despondent without them. Kael'thas assured his brethren that he would find them a cure, and left Quel'Thalas in the hands of his regent, Lor'themar Theron, while he traveled to avenge his people and find a way to sate their hunger for magic.

Just because you obviously need lore help to tell you that it is an addiction.
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The vast majority of Blood Elves did not go with Kael to Outlands.

The vast majority of Blood Elves did not rely on fel to sate their need for magic. They used magic items and live creatures like mana wyrms. This is canon.

The only fel in Silvermoon is the crystals powering the city itself when the Sunwell was inert. Now that it is back, there is zero reason to presume the crystals are still there.

Eyes should never have been green unless they went to the Outland or were warlocks.

Also? If there's a substance you have to take into your body or you shrivel up, become mindless and DIE? That's not an addiction. That's a biological need. Would you say you're "addicted" to water and need your "fix" when you're dehydrated?
Wasn't the green eyes just because they had been around the fel used to power their city and not them siphoning it?


Indeed, it's was just background radiation, pervasive as it was given that fel crystals were used to power up the city/settlements. Elves like Liadrin were not too keen in eating up mana crystals, but just living on Silvermoon or any urban centres caused green eyes, you didn't have to be actively sucking demon souls.
09/25/2018 10:50 PMPosted by Tabaqui
09/25/2018 10:46 PMPosted by Curemaster
And while yes, the crystals were used to power their structures, they too were used to siphon and feed their magical addiction.


It's not an addiction if you literally need it to live and wither up and die without it. It's a biological need.


Given that most Elves didn't die of it, no. It was not a biological need. Blood Elves only became withered when they over-indulged in mana siphoning, taking that addiction into a legitimate ailment that would wither you.
09/25/2018 02:11 PMPosted by Rasoni
These are the 2 most requested allied races and this would be a good time to release them. Also don’t you dare put rep grinds on them or we will show up at blizzard HQ with pitchforks and torches
not going to happen so either cry or get your pitchfork, because there will be a grind of they add vulpera, and as mentioned by others Void Elves and Blood elves are high elves, and they aren't going to add them as they also have said.
Honestly dont see the appeal in vulpera. I hope we don’t get them.
09/25/2018 02:41 PMPosted by Eret
high elves are blood elves who are void elves. /thread

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