Silvermoon/Belves rejoining the alliance

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Vereesa is dumb.

Alleria is dumb for eating up everything Vereesa says word for word.

Umbric is dumb and a sheep.

The blood elves redeemed themselves a long time ago. Vereesa just wants them to redeem themselves in the eyes of the alliance. Which they will never do.
10/12/2018 05:32 AMPosted by Vievee
So what do you guys think about the possibility of the Belves rejoining, and what would make them leave?


The BE's were a part of the Alliance way back when but then some of the humans plotted to wipe them out so BE's left and joined the Horde instead.

Alliance missed out on that because while far from perfect, BE's are fiercely loyal. I don't think BE's will ever rejoin the Alliance.
10/12/2018 05:29 PMPosted by Averax
The blood elves redeemed themselves a long time ago.


How? What did the Blood Elves do to redeem themselves?

For that matter, what do they have to redeem themselves for? Because their prince was taken in by Illidan, corrupted by Kil'jaeden? By that time the Blood Elves had already distanced themselves from Kael'thas...

I'm very confused on these two points. I've seen the Blood Elves do nothing to warrant, 'Redemption,' and nothing to suggest they even need it. At least, they've done nothing worse than anyone else has. I don't see Stormwind talking about having redeemed itself for the Defias or anything, for example.
So... the Humans of Lordaeron who died, were raised into Undeath, and later became Forsaken?

What? Stormwind Humans were never near any Arcane Sanctums...


the alliance were there, the night elves were used for the sabotage, and the dwarf played nice while reporting the results back to stormwind.

dalaran betrayed the elves twice, both times with archmage modera on the council.
It's probably foreshadowing an attempt by the Alliance to conquer Silvermoon, not the blood elves joining the Alliance.

Such an event would also permanently cement blood elves as a Horde race. No more of the MoP "But they almost went Alliance!" stuff.

Blizzard's far too in love with their red vs. blue schtick to ever have races leave a faction.
10/12/2018 05:41 PMPosted by Älexandra
the alliance were there


Yes, that is known.

10/12/2018 05:41 PMPosted by Älexandra
the night elves were used for the sabotage


Uhm... no. This is misinformation. The Blood Elf in charge of the Sanctum makes it clear the Sanctum malfunctioned because of the increased strain placed upon it, something she had been warning against for some time. The Night Elves present did nothing more than observe.

10/12/2018 05:41 PMPosted by Älexandra
and the dwarf played nice while reporting the results back to stormwind.


I mean... should a diplomat NOT report back to their nation/faction on what they've seen in another nation? Isn't that part of the purpose of a diplomat?

10/12/2018 05:41 PMPosted by Älexandra
dalaran betrayed the elves twice, both times with archmage modera on the council.


Once. If the second time you're speaking of is the Purge, I'm sorry to tell you, but the Blood Elves betrayed Dalaran, taking advantage of it's neutrality and portal Network to access an Alliance capital to steal a powerful artifact, with the express purpose of delivering said artifact into the waiting hands of Garrosh Hellscream, who had the express intent of abusing the heck out of it, like he did with the Mana Bomb.

Heck, counting the Mana Bomb, we could arguably say the Blood Elves betrayed the Kirin Tor twice.
10/12/2018 06:56 AMPosted by Savinna
10/12/2018 06:53 AMPosted by Caelin
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Well if you guys didn't abuse your position in Dalaran to help Garrosh steal a super weapon...


"Abuse!" The BE's in Dalaran didn't really have much of a choice in the matter since Garrosh was threatening to kill BE's if he didn't get the damn bell.


Garry had a charm all his own, didn't he? lol
10/12/2018 02:48 PMPosted by Dayshanel
10/12/2018 02:25 PMPosted by Volley
Silvermoon will be retaken by the Alliance, and it will be settled by the High Elves that escaped the Invasion of Quel'Thalas and those who were simply kicked out by the Blood Elves.

The High Elves are already part of the Alliance, they are not an 'allied Race'.


Keep dreaming those crazy dreams...not gonna happen.

I mean really people, the Blood Elves do not want to be a part of the Alliance, get over it already. Don't pull that whole 'mind control' bs card either as that was BC content (which Belves are stuck with still because Silvermoon is stuck in BC hell with no hope seen of it changing). Silvermoon and the Belves have moved far beyond what was originally put into SMC. They have regained their stregnth, become a strong part of the Horde and with the exception of the Garrosh era, overall seem quite dedicated to the Horde.

As to Alleria and Vareesa...they have no say in anything. Saying they will return to the Alliance someday (Alleria), she has been gone for a thousand years becoming a long eared human then sucked down a Voided out Naaru, her opinion means jack to Silvermoon.

Saying they need redeemed (Vareesa) is the pot calling the kettle black. This is the woman who ran off to marry a human (like her other sister), live in the human lands, and basically has done nothing of note FOR her people, only looked down her nose at them like she'd stepped in a pile of horse dung and THEN led an attack on her own kind with her precious little friends in the SC. She has no right to speak of redemption or anything having to do with the Belves, she gave up that right long ago when she decided to be a long eared human.

And then there is Umbric...yeah...that one has had his brain wiped by the Void a bit too hard if he thinks he has a snowballs chance in ever having a say in anything for the Belves again. Sorry not sorry but admitting that Rommath may have been right about the void does not make up for following the teachings of the biggest race traitor in Quel'thalas history. Hell even Day here thinks he's full of it.

Simply put, the majority of the Belves (not speaking on behalf of the actual players opinion but the general population in the story itself) have no use for nor desire to join the Alliance and go to their knees before the Human Potential like Varessa and Alleria, at least Sylvannas keeps her human potential firmly under her boot where he belongs.

Speaking of my little Velf (Day), even she doesn't want to be a part of the Alliance but that is my own character so once again not speaking for any other Velves. But from her point of view, if there was a way to go home and leave the Alliance, she'd take it in a heartbeat, and she's not even a big fan of the Horde itself, she just wants to go home. Unfortunately she's stuck there but she isn't happy about it and she's not a fan of ANY Windrunner at all.


One of the best posts ever written on this topic, bravo
10/12/2018 02:58 PMPosted by Thehollow

That what the new elf race for alliance are. Blood elfs. just they messed with void. There dance is same and all. just for some reason they cant be paladins. makes no sense.


Because Holy and Void are directly opposed. You can't channel both.

Umbric stated that he and many of the people who follow him didn't like the direction their people have been going since they started being Blood Elves, and always felt they should have went back to The Alliance where they belong.


Gosh, what a shock. The guy who got kicked out of the city for literally delving into the Void, you know, the Old God energy that is the direct opposition of life and death, thinks he has some sort of moral high ground to direct where his race went. And that they should have gone back to the Alliance.

What a convincing argument!
10/12/2018 05:32 AMPosted by Vievee
Examples in game and books of people discussing Silvermoon rejoining the alliance:
(Veressa Windrunner in The Three Sisters)
"I believe in the Blood Elves, I believe they can be redeemed"

>Says the woman who slaughtered them in the streets using an "arrest order" as an excuse to beat, murder, and rob innocent Blood Elves in a pogrom.
God, she is stupid. Why would the Blood Elves want to join those that constantly attack them or go looking for any excuse they can get to slaughter them?

"Redemption" already happened, thanks to Velen (and not Vereesa). The main reason the Blood Elves would never join the Alliance is very simple: the Alliance has never shown the ability to forgive. Forgiveness for any moral failing in their eyes is impossible, which is why Daelin and Jaina Proudmoore hate every single Orc down to the infants for crimes committed long before they were born. It is why the Alliance treats all members of Horde races like animals. Forgiveness is an utterly foreign concept to the "always just and righteous" Human Alliance, and always has been. The Orcs, Blood Elves, Tauren, Trolls, Goblins, and the like know about forgiveness, and they show it.
10/12/2018 05:58 PMPosted by Kelisaria
The main reason the Blood Elves would never join the Alliance is very simple: the Alliance has never shown the ability to forgive


High Elves and now Void Elves say, 'Hello.'
10/12/2018 02:55 PMPosted by Katallina
10/12/2018 02:52 PMPosted by Eleroleron

Oh Also...you know...committing genocide against their own by slaughtering innocents in the streets of Dalaran


Fake news.
if that's fake news than the burning of teldrassil didn't happen and all the elves just imaging being on fire and dying.
10/12/2018 05:58 PMPosted by Kelisaria
10/12/2018 05:32 AMPosted by Vievee
Examples in game and books of people discussing Silvermoon rejoining the alliance:
(Veressa Windrunner in The Three Sisters)
"I believe in the Blood Elves, I believe they can be redeemed"

>Says the woman who slaughtered them in streets using an "arrest order" as an excuse to beat, murder, and rob innocent Blood Elves in a pogrom.
God, she is stupid. Why would the Blood Elves want to join those that constantly attack them or go looking for any excuse they can get to slaughter them?

"Redemption" already happened, thanks to Velen (and not Vereesa). The main reason the Blood Elves would never join the Alliance is very simple: the Alliance has never shown the ability to forgive. Forgiveness for any moral failing in their eyes is impossible, which is why Daelin and Jaina Proudmoore hate every single Orc down to the infants for crimes committed long before they were born. It is why the Alliance treats all members of Horde races like animals. Forgiveness is an utterly foreign concept to the "always just and righteous" Human Alliance, and always has been. The Orcs, Blood Elves, Tauren, Trolls, Goblins, and the like know about forgiveness, and they show it.
indeed many of the horde races were enemies with eachother but were able to see past their past differnces and joined together many are best friends now. the horde knows how fear builds walls instead of bridges they dare to see the others point of view. they show compassion they are forgiving they are different from eachother vastly but they look past this.
10/12/2018 07:00 AMPosted by Caelin
10/12/2018 06:56 AMPosted by Savinna
"Abuse!" The BE's in Dalaran didn't really have much of a choice in the matter since Garrosh was threatening to kill BE's if he didn't get the damn bell.

Yes, abused! If you had told the leadership of Dalaran what was going on or spoke with the Alliance (who at the time was trying to recruit them back into the Alliance) they would have found support to counter those threats. Instead they helped him, then actively hide the bell in their lands and tried to play off their invovlement.

This is all totally meaningless to me. As far as I'm concerned, any story that is not currently presented in the game is unimportant and can be ignored.

In fact, since it's not in the game, new players will never know it and thus can't actually ignore it.

I'm not going to sink thousands of dollars into buying old books to see which parts might be relevant, what was never relevant, and what has been reconned or removed to keep new players from knowing them and make existing players feel more like special snowflakes.
You know the most hypocritical thing about the Dalaran thing is that Dalaran was already actively helping the Alliance. They were neutral in name only. Can't suddenly get mad at a few blood elves who decided the "neutrality" of Dalaran didn't actually exist.
10/12/2018 06:15 PMPosted by Adelphie
You know the most hypocritical thing about the Dalaran thing is that Dalaran was already actively helping the Alliance. They were neutral in name only. Can't suddenly get mad at a few blood elves who decided the "neutrality" of Dalaran didn't actually exist.


kinda like Theramore claimed to be "neutral" when they aided the Alliance's raids on nearby Horde settlements.

Alliance doesn't seem to know what 'neutral' is
10/12/2018 06:19 PMPosted by Swiftraven
Alliance doesn't seem to know what 'neutral' is


We were just following Thrall's lead. You know, Mr. "I'm neutral but I'm just going to induct this race into the Horde."
10/12/2018 06:04 PMPosted by Alurna
High Elves and now Void Elves say, 'Hello.'


High Elves never left the alliance because they are the Azeroth equivalent of an Uncle Tom.

Void Elves are a lore travesty and make no sense as to why anyone would trust them. Even then the only reason Silvermoon exiled Alleria was because she posed a huge threat to the Sunwell. Up until that she was welcomed with open arms and granted her right to pilgrimage (Rommath correctly objected to this).

The alliance had it in for Blood Elves and Tyrande didn't trust the Nightborne due to former ties to the legion and or fel magic. but beings enveloped in energy from the Void the same Void known for playing the long game with corruption whom also came close the corrupting the purified Sunwell are perfectly fine to join.
10/12/2018 06:04 PMPosted by Alurna
10/12/2018 05:58 PMPosted by Kelisaria
The main reason the Blood Elves would never join the Alliance is very simple: the Alliance has never shown the ability to forgive


High Elves and now Void Elves say, 'Hello.'

In what way have they ever shown forgiveness? They only allowed them in because an Alliance bootlicker was the one who saved the traitorous scum from being lost to insanity. High Elves love Humans more than their own country and people.

Void Elves weren't even "kicked out", they willingly left their own people while acting like arrogant brats for being told that the Void is a danger to the Sunwell and their people.

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