Casual cries have ruined the game.

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10/19/2018 12:15 AMPosted by Zaigo
No, if you spend 2 hours a day on the game; you shouldn't get to see the same content as someone who plays 9 hours a day on the game.


Then, besides being mentally ill, shouldn't the person who spends nine hours a day playing this game also be considered stupid?

I mean, he plays nine hours a day to see the same content that a casual can see in two hours a day.

But don't blame this on casuals. As a casual myself, I don't like the direction the game has taken. In fact, I outright hate it. Geography is designed to turn the game into an obstacle course. And since the Dev Team hates, hates, hates flying, because easy, convenient travel means they have to make more content. The stumbling block aspect makes so irritating and time-consuming, that we have less time to actually see the content.

Even the most mundane tasks in the game, such as professions, used to be enjoyable. Now they've been made excessively time consuming because now they have three ranks each and some of the necessary components are 1 in 100 rarity.
No one should spend 9 hours a day on a game. Thankfully, you don't have to, even if you plan on raiding Mythic.
I always say that I think they took the wrong lesson from Cataclysm. They took away from the tanks and healers to force the dps to step up their game and most didn't so it fell back on the healers. Harder dungeons are fine so long as their success isn't dependent on the dps performing a critical role. It's a mistake they keep repeating.

10/19/2018 05:24 AMPosted by Howlyn
10/19/2018 04:25 AMPosted by Sapphre
oh yeah i forgot about that. the tanks rushed in because if they didn't. the dps would pull aggro. doh. so they would try to kick tanks as well.

gotta love the insanity of a game that punishes DPS players for doing the thing their class is designed to do, while also putting timers in the game so if DPS doesnt do what their class is designed to do the crap will hit the fan and everyone gets to wipe.

It doesn't though. It punishes the tanks and healers for what the dps do wrong or fail to do. It never gives the dps any indication that they made a mistake. They're supposed to figure that out themselves.
i agree with you man.
felt like mogging to kill the hard reward of dungeon look and more so when you got raid set.

lfr and dungeon finder was a nice idea at first but has hurt WoW community.

casuals were never the main money makers in this game. it was those are hardcore about the game and hard work. felt like a betrayal to us that we had paid to play in order too keep the game it is. but they decided to say "trust us we know what we were are doing" yet cata came out and millions of players left when they had nearly 16 million players.
10/19/2018 12:22 AMPosted by Fixher
hmm since casual out number raiders by a margin of 7 out of every 10 players. you be shooting yourself in foot. if you pissed them off. Cause who going to pay for your game? you and others. the monthly would have to go up to at least 120 dollars a month to cover the loss of casuals.


I am casual speak for yourself. Please that is how the game is in this mess.
10/19/2018 01:02 PMPosted by Raguthon
lfr and dungeon finder was a nice idea at first but has hurt WoW community.


No big loss. The WoW community was never that great.

10/19/2018 01:02 PMPosted by Raguthon
casuals were never the main money makers in this game


Actually yes they are. They greatly outnumber the hardcores and we all pay the same sub fees.
10/19/2018 01:02 PMPosted by Raguthon
i agree with you man.
felt like mogging to kill the hard reward of dungeon look and more so when you got raid set.

lfr and dungeon finder was a nice idea at first but has hurt WoW community.

casuals were never the main money makers in this game. it was those are hardcore about the game and hard work. felt like a betrayal to us that we had paid to play in order too keep the game it is. but they decided to say "trust us we know what we were are doing" yet cata came out and millions of players left when they had nearly 16 million players.


I am casual still love vanilla more than another expansion. Reason you earn what you got.

Not because of nice memories. I played a pserver after I quit legion in ToS and played pserver for year. Yea I still love. I don’t like cheat and all what pservers have so lvl 2 60s and bounced on BWL waiting on classic.
I was pretty sad when FF14 did the same thing, back in Coil you even got a cutscene that only raiders got to see that explained how something played out. You never really knew what happened without it and if you looked it up you would think how it was cool and how you might want to work for it.

Everything being able to be done so quickly really hurts mmos for me.
You need to wake up and realize just because you have all week to play 24/7 doesn't mean others do. Some people have something called a "life", work/school/kids/so on and cannot dedicate even 3hours to sit down and raid to see content. Stop bashing responsible gamers, oh and this is coming from someone who is currently progressing mythic and has done all normal/heroic so..yeah I side with them regardless of being a hardcore player.
Just curious how a casual having gear that is good effects your life in anyway? Are you doing raids with them? Are you doing keys with them? Are you doing any sort of content with them? Seriously, why does it even matter or bother you. How is it ruining your game play? Enlighten me.
10/19/2018 01:08 PMPosted by Tadkins
10/19/2018 01:02 PMPosted by Raguthon
lfr and dungeon finder was a nice idea at first but has hurt WoW community.


No big loss. The WoW community was never that great.

10/19/2018 01:02 PMPosted by Raguthon
casuals were never the main money makers in this game


Actually yes they are. They greatly outnumber the hardcores and we all pay the same sub fees.


Speak for yourself again. Casual here loved old way more so. Again I believe hardcore gamers brought in the $$$. How ppl wanted to do what they could do as long as you put time in. Everyone was equal no pay to win or anything. You played to win.

Everyone started at lvl 1 and everyone made choices in the game.
Without casuals, wow wouldn't have lasted 6 months, let alone 14 years.
10/19/2018 01:06 PMPosted by Zezeall
10/19/2018 12:22 AMPosted by Fixher
hmm since casual out number raiders by a margin of 7 out of every 10 players. you be shooting yourself in foot. if you pissed them off. Cause who going to pay for your game? you and others. the monthly would have to go up to at least 120 dollars a month to cover the loss of casuals.


I am casual speak for yourself. Please that is how the game is in this mess.

so you are fine not being able to do lfr. cause you have been doing it. Just stating he wants to run off. but you stay and be like bc was only small percentage getting into raids, gear and mounts. so basically you would be stuck doing what then. causal back then were not allowed in pugs. trust me. been there done that. you had to have a established rep to get into pugs. usually that involvedly a good guild behind you.

If you were considered causal. it was considered derogatory toward you in bc/original/wraith. You would not be allowed to raid. I know this cause I was there. In wraith it got way better. but still you still had to have a name or in a guild that ran. link your achievement was a major requirement to run raids to almost till end.. you were not considered casual if you had some raid experience.

calling yourself causal now and what op wants would put you back to where you stuck doing almost nothing. that just wrong to support it.

One other thing. there have been 6 games that catered exclusively to hard core raiders. There now none with the shutting down wild star. if hard core put money in games. the why wild star close down. heck why did stwor/rifts/tera/black desert to name a few all switch from hard core players and switch to more casual player.
10/19/2018 01:17 PMPosted by Zezeall
Speak for yourself again. Casual here loved old way more so. Again I believe hardcore gamers brought in the $$$. How ppl wanted to do what they could do as long as you put time in. Everyone was equal no pay to win or anything. You played to win.

Everyone started at lvl 1 and everyone made choices in the game.


And that's fine, you can feel how you want, but I far prefer the new way where we can play on our own terms have are free to play with who we want.
It's funny because most of the crying is coming from anti LFR snobs who are mad that other people get shiny toys too.
10/19/2018 12:19 AMPosted by Truthspeaker
Casuals are WoW's bread and butter. You're welcome. ;-)
casuals come and go . But hardcore are in it for good.
10/19/2018 01:25 PMPosted by Gschemes
10/19/2018 12:19 AMPosted by Truthspeaker
Casuals are WoW's bread and butter. You're welcome. ;-)
casuals come and go . But hardcore are in it for good.


Casuals make it possible for hardcore people to play the game at all.
10/19/2018 01:25 PMPosted by Gschemes
casuals come and go . But hardcore are in it for good.


Both are important. Casuals provide the bulk of the population, and the most money, but hardcores promote the game and provide useful tools for everyone via guides, videos, addons, etc. I'm tired of seeing one side trash the other and call them worthless, when in reality this is a game for all of us. :)
The problem is that its too casual now
10/19/2018 01:15 PMPosted by Sinelus
You need to wake up and realize just because you have all week to play 24/7 doesn't mean others do. Some people have something called a "life", work/school/kids/so on and cannot dedicate even 3hours to sit down and raid to see content. Stop bashing responsible gamers, oh and this is coming from someone who is currently progressing mythic and has done all normal/heroic so..yeah I side with them regardless of being a hardcore player.


Again speak for yourself.. I see op point and it is a game. take your time but I believe you should get ahead when you didn’t invest more than who ever.

You make no sense to me... You probably make an ok amount in RL. Yet you believe in a socialism type environment as long as it is in a game?
Yet you don’t play pay to win games.... hmmm... you want a game play to win but then you negate it by asking for hand outs?
If you believe in it why not RL? So you can work hard and someone can take 50% or more of your earnings?

Then you say it is just a game?? Then you would not care about LFR being in the game... right??? it is just a game. Some of those hardcore players I would assume live and breathe this game and #%%* on it.

Wow I can kind of see what type person you are.

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