8.3 speculation

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This is just speculation, but consider the following facts:

- Thus far, events are appearing drearily similar to Garrosh c. 5.0-5.1, where he goes further and further off the deep end, presaging his appearance as a raid boss in 5.4;
- Blizzard have flat-out stated that this won't be a reprise of MoP;
- The Windrunner family dynamics - specifically, that Sylvanas is just as happy to see her sisters dead as alive, and Alleria's one tragic death away from embracing the Void utterly;

Toss 'em all into a pot, and here's one possible outcome:

- Setting: Massive Horde/Alliance battle set right after Nazjatar (i.e., 8.2 raid).
- Sylvanas spots Arator, and decides that it's time to break her sister, to prepare for her inevitable death and resurrection as Sylvanas' plaything/mindslave. She goes off and hunts Arator down, personally putting a Black Arrow into him to kill him, then gloats to Alleria about this meaning that he'll come back - on her side instead of Alleria's. Maybe something about making him kill his own mother if she really wants to twist the verbal knife.
- Alleria goes spare. I don't mean "Not my son, you !@#$%!" spare - that's the fury of a mother whose child's life is on the line, and it's too late for that in this scenario. I mean, "I have nothing left to lose, and only revenge to gain...Void, grant me that revenge!" spare.
- Massively and horrifically empowered by the Void, Alleria splatters bits of Sylvanas all over the battlefield, then proceeds to rip open the grandmother of all void tears, clearing the path for a massive wave of void-things to swarm all over the battlefield, swamping both the Alliance and the Horde armies at once. Maybe kill off some old characters while we're at it - Genn, Saurfang, Eitirigg, Tyrande, etc.
- Cue 8.3 raid: The Void Stares Back.

If this is the way it goes down, I'm going to be laughing my backside off!
10/26/2018 07:40 AMPosted by Edeyrn

- Sylvanas spots Arator, and decides that it's time to break her sister, to prepare for her inevitable death and resurrection as Sylvanas' plaything/mindslave.


Go on...
Flagged in the data files as future Warfronts are Silvermoon, Bildgewater, and Gates of Mulgore. Seems like the Horde are the losers again!
10/26/2018 07:48 AMPosted by Hahahahahaha
Flagged in the data files as future Warfronts are Silvermoon, Bildgewater, and Gates of Mulgore. Seems like the Horde are the losers again!


But that doesn't make sense because there's a whole thread about how Blizzard caters to the Horde.

They cater losses to us? That's terrible catering!
10/26/2018 07:47 AMPosted by Krinblock
10/26/2018 07:40 AMPosted by Edeyrn

- Sylvanas spots Arator, and decides that it's time to break her sister, to prepare for her inevitable death and resurrection as Sylvanas' plaything/mindslave.


Go on...


I'm referring to the pre-patch comic that showed Sylvanas' reason for not signalling her Dark Rangers to murder/raise her sisters. That being that she wanted to give them more time to suffer, to realize the futility of life and the inevitability of death. Why? Because that way, they would come to her and beg to be released of the pain.

Killing Alleria's son would be a furtherance of that - and Sylvanas has no way of knowing what that would unleash upon the world.

Flagged in the data files as future Warfronts are Silvermoon, Bildgewater, and Gates of Mulgore. Seems like the Horde are the losers again!


Not relevant at all. Please keep the flamewars and snarky crap - on both sides - out of my thread. Kthxbai!
8.3 starts with with Anduin proposing to Sylvanus and Baine killing her in a rage.

It then we players wake up in front of Sargeras sword. We stammer things about Azerite, Night warrior, cat people.

Magni tells us we’re delusional, but that we save the world from Sargeras corruption.
Actually your way off about some things.

I have that odd feeling that 9.0 will be the end of the Void/Legion lore

8.1 mini raid, we defeat Azshara finally, whether we kill her or set her back is in question. But I'm betting though that if shes set back, the final endboss of BfA will indeed be Azeroth getting corrupted due to Magni being a pawn of the old gods as so much has pointed to. Alleria mentions she lied about controlling the void as in Sisters we know she struggles with it. Arator could potentially die as he is Allerias hope. Alleria seeing her son being potentally raised as undead, she loses herself to the void and becomes a being of the void probably gravely wounding Sylvanas in her rage. Sylvanas blames Baine and the other leaders for not helping her, (more on this later in my reply) and the other leaders give her a choice, leave the horde or perish with your people.

The end of the War Campaign leaves the Horde in shambles due to Vol'jins return. Sylvanas blames Baine for not telling her anything about Vol'jins return and siding with Saurfang. (notice how Lorthemar isn't in The Great Seal) Baine explains that the Horde with the exception of the Forsaken as had enough of the dishonorable death that Sylvanas as brought upon the Horde. Sylvanas then explains that she will deal with Baine and Saurfangs betrayal later, but right now there are more pressing matters to attend to (hence shrine of the storm)

Back to my earlier speculation about Sylvanas blaming Baine for not helping her kill Alleria. Sylvanas tells her Forsaken to put and end to the other Horde leaders. A civil war breaks out in the Horde and in the end Sylvanas is cast out of the Horde just as Calia seemingly shows up out of nowhere and approaches Baine and the others. Calia explains that with Sylvanas cast out the Forsaken will have no leader, but they are originally the people of Lordaeron and pledges her leadership to the Forsaken and ultimately the Horde. Baine tells her that he hopes that he can trust her to uphold the Honor of the Horde and steps back. Who becomes Warchief in this situation however I have no idea, but my guess would be Saurfang.

Back in the Abyssal Maw (raid that never got implemented) Azshara retreats back to Nzoth explaining that the Horde and Alliance outmatched her. Nzoth mentions not to worry as there is another that can put an end potentially to the Horde and Alliance, (that being Alleria) Nzoth starts whispering to Alleria that in exchange for more power that she bring down the Alliance. Alleria agrees but not before going back and being confronted by Genn about her corruption to the void and telling Anduin that she no longer has a place with the Alliance. Anduin tells Genn to stand down explaining that that isn't his choice to make. Genn barks back at Anduin explaining that Alleria being corrupted by the void could destroy all that they've fought for to bring peace to Azeroth. Anduin yells at Genn and tells his guards to escort Alleria to the stockades and tells Alleria that he knows that there is still good in her, and to bring her power back under control and tells Turaylon to go with her as encouragement. Genn then tells Anduin that he will regret his decision in time and storms out with his Gilnean guards.

In the Stockades, Alleria is in a cell with Turaylon and explains how much anger she has towards the Horde for the death of their son. She urges Turaylon to go talk to Anduin to lay another seige to the Horde. Turaylon explains to Alleria that going in unprepared with how much that has been lost will cause them to have a great disadvantage. Alleria swears at Turaylon that him doing nothing will make Arators death meaningless. She apologies to Turaylon for what she must do and summons enough power to teleport herself out of the stockades to the Void Elf starting area (forgot what the place is called) and speaks with Umbric about her loss and about puttinng an end to the Horde. Umbric agrees and they rally arms and teleport to Orgrimmar landing right in front of Grommash hold. The guards raise their axes but are quickly put down by the Void Elves. Alleria then storms into Grommash hold, and to her amazement sees Calia Menethil standing in the throne room and Saurfang sitting on the throne. Alleria spits at Calia calling her a traitor for siding with the Horde. Calia explains that Sylvanas was cast out of their Horde and that she now leads the Forsaken. Alleria then yells at Saurfang that Arator is dead because of the Horde. Saurfang tells Alleria that was Sylvanas doing not his, and the Horde stood there and refused to help Sylvanas. Alleria tells Saurfang, that instead of standing there you could have put Sylvanas down then so why didn't he? Saurfang states that it would have been unwise to attack Sylvanas and risk more bloodshed on both the Horde and Alliance. Alleria then tells Saurfang the Hordes demise will come one day for her sons death and before teleporting out, she tells Calia that her traitorous death will come also. Calia tells Alleria that she will be waiting.

Thats just for 8.1. I'm still working on my 8.2
Why would we want an alliance member leading a Horde faction?
8.2 speculation

Depending on the choice you made on the Saurfang questline (on the PTR) and not betraying Sylvanas or betraying her will trigger a quest when you next log in to your Horde toon if you chose not to betray Sylvanas. Sylvanas tells you that she is thankful for your loyalty and to come meet her near the ruins of the Lordaeron. Once there she explains that she has been recovering with the aid of Nathanos and is ready to put an end to the Horde that betrayed her. This again gives you the choice to either help Sylvanas or not betray the entire Horde. Should you choose to help Sylvanas she tells you that you will be her eyes in the Horde and anything you learn, you will answer to her. You explain to her that the human priest Calia has taken leadership of the Forsaken and Saurfang is the new Warchief. Sylvanas thanks you for this information, and she asks that you set out in search of Forsaken in the Horde that are secretly still loyal to Sylvanas.

On the Alliance side, when you log in, you get a quest to go into Stormwind keep to see Anduin. Upon entering the throne room, you see Anduin and Genn arguing over Allerias escape. Genn tells Aduin, if he had simply banished Alleria from the Alliance, that she wouldn't have been able to escape. Anduin tells Genn again to stand down as not even Turarylon knows what is going through her mind and banishing her from the Alliance would have only further angered her. Genn tells Anduin that she fell to the void upon seeing Arator getting killed and that someone like that can not simply come back from that. Genn then gathers his Gileans and tells Anduin that if he cannot do what must be done and Anduin is no longer his king, walking out of Stormwind Keep.

Upon logging into an Alliance toon, you get a quest from Genn to meet him at the gates of Gilneas. Upon doing so, Genn tells you that you can either help him defeat Alleria and potentially Sylvanas if she still lives. You have the option of helping him or siding with Anduin. If you do decide to help Genn, Genn tells you that anything you hear about Allerias whereabouts, you are to report directly to him.

The rest of 8.2 pans out with you reporting to Genn, if Alliance, and if you sided with him, or Sylvanas if Horde and you chose to side with her. Calia starts teaching the Forsaken about the light, and essentially certain Forsaken that embrace it become the MU version of Lightbound, unlocking the customization options for a Lightbound Forsaken. Alleria starts speaking to Umbric about more power of the Void and invites him to give in fully to it, as it he does. She then announces to her other kin that this the power they have hoped to dip into, and that other Void Elves who have chose to side with the Alliance will be shunned as traitors to her kin. Though as a Void Elf player, the option to side with Alleria will be available as once Genn learns that Void Elves in the Alliance are going and aiding Alleria, makes him rejoin Anduin to put them down.

Back in Trisfal, Sylvanas starts putting her conquest of raising the citizens of Azeroth as undead and controlling the world into fruition. Nathanos tasks the player with hitting stragitic points through Eastern Kingdoms in an effort to bring the Alliance and Horde down. Towns that are hit by Sylvanas become special flight points that players that are allied with Sylvanas can fly to in addition to the other neutral and Horde flight points.

In Orgrimmar, Calia starts coming to the other Horde about the light. The Sunwalker Paladins and Lady Liadrin realize this and come to Saurfang. They explain that they suspect Calia might have fallen under the sway of a Naaru and is trying to rally Horde to the light of the Naaru. Saurfang then comes to confront Calia on the matter and and is dumbfounded when Calia says that the Naaru is compelling her to call on others to answer the call of the light for the impending war with the void. Saurfang questions her motives and tells her to stop because she is being no better then Sylvanas raising corpses to fight for her. Calia tells Saurfang never to compare her to that witch and that she is not forcing it on the Horde, that they are coming willingly. Saurfang then tells Calia to keep her light to the Forsaken and not spread it to other members of the Horde. Calia then walks out of the throne room telling Saurfang that going against the Naaru is not wise.
10/26/2018 08:54 AMPosted by Kirango
Why would we want an alliance member leading a Horde faction?


Technically she isn't Alliance. Shes was reborn as a being of the light, so therefore technically shes a kind of lightforged or lightbound (call it what you will) Forsaken. This was mentioned in Before The Storm if you read it. She also wanted to take back the Forsaken as her people. Sylvanas being driven out of the Horde, makes sense for that event to happen.
8.1 mini raid, we defeat Azshara finally, whether we kill her or set her back is in question.


Given that a whole lot of 8.1 has been datamined and there's no trace of Azshara being in it (at least in a raid sense), I'd say that I'm not the one who's way off.
10/26/2018 09:48 AMPosted by Hellglaive
10/26/2018 08:54 AMPosted by Kirango
Why would we want an alliance member leading a Horde faction?


Technically she isn't Alliance. Shes was reborn as a being of the light, so therefore technically shes a kind of lightforged or lightbound (call it what you will) Forsaken. This was mentioned in Before The Storm if you read it. She also wanted to take back the Forsaken as her people. Sylvanas being driven out of the Horde, makes sense for that event to happen.


It really, really, really doesn't.

She is an alliance character. Every friend and associate she has is alliance or neutral. She has absolutely no reason to accept conflict with the Alliance and the Forsaken have absolutely no reason to think that she won't sell them out to to Alliance. She was made by Anduin.

Her being undead is practically blackface - she's adopted the appearance of "her people" without even the slightest understanding of their actual experience.
10/26/2018 08:39 AMPosted by Hellglaive
Actually your way off about some things.

I have that odd feeling that 9.0 will be the end of the Void/Legion lore

8.1 mini raid, we defeat Azshara finally
RIGHT OUTTA THE STARTING GATE, you were wrong. You're (incorrect) headcanon does not mean OP's musings are "way off."
As much as I hate to imagine it, Sylvanas is probably going to be scorned by the Horde only to save them in some major battle by using her nuScourge army or something.

Which will suck. Because I'm tired of the Horde only winning major battles thanks to megaweapons, outnumbering the enemy, or being led by evil generals.

I'd like to see the Horde finally win fights on its own merits without transgressing its founding values and identity.
The way I see it. On the Horde side.

When siding with Saurfang he commends you on making the hard choice he had make between honor and loyalty. Picking the same one he did being honor. Saurfang tells you that striking down Sylvana is foolish as the numbers of the horde that serve her are too great for us to face. Saurfang says I have seen The Horde implode twice in my life time. Cannot bare to see blood of my people and the children of the Horde in harms way again. What was done to Garrosh when we sieged our own captial was not a glorious sight.

Many orcs sides with Garrosh and Nazgrim followed out of loyalty not honor. I cannot see that done again. We must find Thrall and seek him out. He was and still is wise beyond his years. Perhaps he will have a way to solve this mater with out so much bloodshed of our own spilled.

Choice being with siding with Sylvanas. She tasks you to meeting her our at the very sight she fell against Arthas and the Scourge. She thanks you for siding with her. She tells you she has no honor as it died that I fell against Arthas. Almost everything I believed in died when I was tormented and corrupted by Arthas. The only thing I have left is loyalty. I still watch over my home and my people today. I ensured my people survival when I was welcomed into the Horde. I made sure the blood elves survived as well bringing them into the Horde.

With Saurfang escaping changes things. He is very much dangerous alive as if he was dead. He has been a symbol of the Horde. A father to many. Killing him would make him a martyr. It could inspire a civil war to erupt. One was enough to weaken The Horde as a whole. It would leave us wide open to be attacked by The Alliance. Letting him be in exile might be wise. It is a difficult matter how to deal with Saurfang. I am not as black and white as I appear to be Champion. I must seek the council of a former Warchief in moving forward in the event of an uprising. I know my sisters are gunning for me and ready to strike at Silvermoon at any given moment. We must prepare the defenses of Silvermoon. We have held off the Horde in the second war again and the many raids by The Amani on us. Silvermoon fell once before and I will not see it fall once again.
10/26/2018 07:40 AMPosted by Edeyrn
Sylvanas spots Arator, and decides that it's time to break her sister, to prepare for her inevitable death and resurrection as Sylvanas' plaything/mindslave.
Sylvanas' intentions with killing and raising Vereesa and Alleria aren't to make them her slaves. It's to live happily alongside them without being scorned for what she is.
We don't defeat Azshara in 8.1.

We defeat some things that are sort of Azshara-adjacent. There's some Old God shenanigans, and a Naga dude who's got the same part-squid thing going as Azshara herself.

Which seems more like they're putting off Azshara instead of ramping up to her. We don't usually go straight from a little teaser mini-raid into a full raid about the same exact thing. Well, we hardly ever do teaser mini-raids at all, but going from one naga raid to a bigger naga raid would still be quite odd. So she might not die in mid-expansion after all.
10/26/2018 07:48 AMPosted by Hahahahahaha
Flagged in the data files as future Warfronts are Silvermoon, Bildgewater, and Gates of Mulgore. Seems like the Horde are the losers again!


Except that list did include Stromgarde but did not include Darkshore. Clearly it’s not reliable.
10/26/2018 07:59 AMPosted by Pijavica
8.3 starts with with Anduin proposing to Sylvanus and Baine killing her in a rage.

It then we players wake up in front of Sargeras sword. We stammer things about Azerite, Night warrior, cat people.

Magni tells us we’re delusional, but that we save the world from Sargeras corruption.


Literally better writting than the disaster we´re getting right now, please Blizz hire this individual!!
10/26/2018 07:48 AMPosted by Hahahahahaha
Flagged in the data files as future Warfronts are Silvermoon, Bildgewater, and Gates of Mulgore. Seems like the Horde are the losers again!


Not until they lose a major city to the Alliance.

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