WW monk nerf

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I'm not sure the FoF nerf is warrented. Especially after the ToD nerf and karma nerf. Along with MM hunters its the least represented spec in pvp right now.

Yet you didn't touch assassination rogues? So Holinka comes back and manages to even fug things up worse. LOL trash game
Most of the classes that are capable of strong burst AOE saw similar nerfs in the latest patch notes. So it's not so much a WW nerf as it is a nerf to AOE Burst DPS in general. WW actually didn't get it nearly as bad as a lot of other classes did.
10/31/2018 03:02 PMPosted by Holim
I'm not sure the FoF nerf is warrented. Especially after the ToD nerf and karma nerf. Along with MM hunters its the least represented spec in pvp right now.

Yet you didn't touch assassination rogues? So Holinka comes back and manages to even fug things up worse. LOL trash game


They nerfed it but then added damage back via the general damage aura. Not really sure if they even needed to nerf it though as I generally its SCK that seems to be king in AoE for me and not FoF (it may be up there for aoe pulls but 5 stacks of SCK and going ham with that seems like it does way more).
10/31/2018 03:34 PMPosted by Graille
Most of the classes that are capable of strong burst AOE saw similar nerfs in the latest patch notes. So it's not so much a WW nerf as it is a nerf to AOE Burst DPS in general. WW actually didn't get it nearly as bad as a lot of other classes did.

We've actually reverted several of these changes (and similar ones for Frost Death Knight, Havoc Demon Hunter, and Arms Warrior) in the next PTR update. Those specs should be among the best at burst AOE, but we believe they're currently ahead of everyone else by a little too much. We want to take a little more time to collect data before making changes along those lines, though.
11/01/2018 11:23 AMPosted by Lore
10/31/2018 03:34 PMPosted by Graille
Most of the classes that are capable of strong burst AOE saw similar nerfs in the latest patch notes. So it's not so much a WW nerf as it is a nerf to AOE Burst DPS in general. WW actually didn't get it nearly as bad as a lot of other classes did.

We've actually reverted several of these changes (and similar ones for Frost Death Knight, Havoc Demon Hunter, and Arms Warrior) in the next PTR update. Those specs should be among the best at burst AOE, but we believe they're currently ahead of everyone else by a little too much. We want to take a little more time to collect data before making changes along those lines, though.

Is ele going to get any more love from the PTR? even with the changes elemental still feels clunky.
Not to be rude but of all the problems on the PTR. *THIS* is what get's the first blue post? /sigh... so much for increased communication. Some of the changes prove they're reading this. But it'd be cool if they'd also respond more.
11/01/2018 11:23 AMPosted by Lore
10/31/2018 03:34 PMPosted by Graille
Most of the classes that are capable of strong burst AOE saw similar nerfs in the latest patch notes. So it's not so much a WW nerf as it is a nerf to AOE Burst DPS in general. WW actually didn't get it nearly as bad as a lot of other classes did.

We've actually reverted several of these changes (and similar ones for Frost Death Knight, Havoc Demon Hunter, and Arms Warrior) in the next PTR update. Those specs should be among the best at burst AOE, but we believe they're currently ahead of everyone else by a little too much. We want to take a little more time to collect data before making changes along those lines, though.


Can we get a blue's response to what happened to Frost Mages too?
11/01/2018 11:32 AMPosted by Maevra
Not to be rude but of all the problems on the PTR. *THIS* is what get's the first blue post? /sigh... so much for increased communication. Some of the changes prove they're reading this. But it'd be cool if they'd also respond more.


I don't mean to be a white knight or anything of the sort, but it is the day before blizzcon, I am sure many are busy and maybe somethings that have been posted here will be talked about in the QnA and have planned responses already... we will most likely see an increased blue post response to matters following blizzcon's conclusion.
11/01/2018 11:23 AMPosted by Lore
10/31/2018 03:34 PMPosted by Graille
Most of the classes that are capable of strong burst AOE saw similar nerfs in the latest patch notes. So it's not so much a WW nerf as it is a nerf to AOE Burst DPS in general. WW actually didn't get it nearly as bad as a lot of other classes did.

We've actually reverted several of these changes (and similar ones for Frost Death Knight, Havoc Demon Hunter, and Arms Warrior) in the next PTR update. Those specs should be among the best at burst AOE, but we believe they're currently ahead of everyone else by a little too much. We want to take a little more time to collect data before making changes along those lines, though.


Here is an idea. Buff the under performing classes instead of nerfing the ones people enjoy because they perform well. This mindset to always nerf as much as possible is really killing the game. No it's not just this one change it's culmination of everything.

For example the racials. Everyone complains alliance racials are weak. What do you guys do? Nerf horde racials to be in line with the ones people don't like. Brilliant idea. Try buffing more often. Just a thought. People aren't fond of getting weaker.

And this is coming from someone unaffected by any of the mentioned changes.
Being in the middle of the pack in most regards and then seeing that future nerf felt awful. I'm super grateful for the feedback and the changes, monk blue posts are so rare it's nice to see a response pretty quickly.
Nerf frost mages and DHs AoE please!
11/01/2018 11:23 AMPosted by Lore
10/31/2018 03:34 PMPosted by Graille
Most of the classes that are capable of strong burst AOE saw similar nerfs in the latest patch notes. So it's not so much a WW nerf as it is a nerf to AOE Burst DPS in general. WW actually didn't get it nearly as bad as a lot of other classes did.

We've actually reverted several of these changes (and similar ones for Frost Death Knight, Havoc Demon Hunter, and Arms Warrior) in the next PTR update. Those specs should be among the best at burst AOE, but we believe they're currently ahead of everyone else by a little too much. We want to take a little more time to collect data before making changes along those lines, though.


Are we supposed to be having these types of discussions here or in Items and Classes? Many of us are doing so over there since that's where the class dev's are posting their thoughts. If this forum would be a better...forum for that, could you guys let us know? We just want to make sure that feedback is visible where you guys are most likely to see it.
Excuse me? Not so much a nerf to Windwalker? Did blizz just say Windwalker has strong burst aoe to begin with? FoF already hits like a wet noddle and is only an OK aoe ability that is not bursty or our best aoe attack. I can't FoF and forget to do decent aoe damage.
10/31/2018 03:34 PMPosted by Graille
Most of the classes that are capable of strong burst AOE saw similar nerfs in the latest patch notes. So it's not so much a WW nerf as it is a nerf to AOE Burst DPS in general. WW actually didn't get it nearly as bad as a lot of other classes did.


Since BFA, WW Monk doesn't have any kind of strong AoE burst. Most of it in the past was due his artifact weapon, which no longer exists.

Right now in 8.1 we excel at nothing. We can't burst priority adds (ToD nerf), our ST is mediocre at best, and our sustainted AoE isn't particulary useful in mm raids. And in M+ we are a watered down version of DHs.
Bad expac is bad
11/01/2018 11:23 AMPosted by Lore
10/31/2018 03:34 PMPosted by Graille
Most of the classes that are capable of strong burst AOE saw similar nerfs in the latest patch notes. So it's not so much a WW nerf as it is a nerf to AOE Burst DPS in general. WW actually didn't get it nearly as bad as a lot of other classes did.

We've actually reverted several of these changes (and similar ones for Frost Death Knight, Havoc Demon Hunter, and Arms Warrior) in the next PTR update. Those specs should be among the best at burst AOE, but we believe they're currently ahead of everyone else by a little too much. We want to take a little more time to collect data before making changes along those lines, though.


...lol how much time y'all need. Can we just get BfA over with now please
If they are going to remain the kings of AoE then single target classes need to be the kings of single target(They're not).
11/01/2018 11:23 AMPosted by Lore
10/31/2018 03:34 PMPosted by Graille
Most of the classes that are capable of strong burst AOE saw similar nerfs in the latest patch notes. So it's not so much a WW nerf as it is a nerf to AOE Burst DPS in general. WW actually didn't get it nearly as bad as a lot of other classes did.

We've actually reverted several of these changes (and similar ones for Frost Death Knight, Havoc Demon Hunter, and Arms Warrior) in the next PTR update. Those specs should be among the best at burst AOE, but we believe they're currently ahead of everyone else by a little too much. We want to take a little more time to collect data before making changes along those lines, though.


And yet those who do the strongest burst AOE also have the best sustained. #balanced
11/01/2018 12:30 PMPosted by Jovey
If they are going to remain the kings of AoE then single target classes need to be the kings of single target(They're not).


I mean why not both? You got DH and rogues up there for maximum AOE and single target. And people wonder why they are so popular in M+...doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
11/01/2018 11:23 AMPosted by Lore
We've actually reverted several of these changes (and similar ones for Frost Death Knight, Havoc Demon Hunter, and Arms Warrior) in the next PTR update. Those specs should be among the best at burst AOE, but we believe they're currently ahead of everyone else by a little too much. We want to take a little more time to collect data before making changes along those lines, though.

Well, that's good. Burst AoE is one of the only things Arms is good at right now.

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