Racial Strength

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I just made a Dwarven warrior, Tauren Warrior, Draenei Warrior and Orc Warrior all at level 1. I noticed that the Dwarf, Tauren, and Draenei all started with 19 strength whereas the Orc had 20 strength. From what I understand the generally understood order of racial strength in terms of lore was: Tauren = Dwarf(as they are all muscle similar to say Chimpanzee's) > Orc >= Draenei.

Does this mean this order of racial strength was retconned and that orcs are now the strongest race physically?
Stats do not equal lore, usually.
Gameplay =/= lore.

Orcs are definitely not as strong as tauren. Baine ripped Garrosh in half with his bare hands in an AU where he lost his temper.
11/12/2018 09:30 PMPosted by Kisin
Gameplay =/= lore.

Orcs are definitely not as strong as tauren. Baine ripped Garrosh in half with his bare hands in an AU where he lost his temper.


huh, well that's grotesquely interesting.
Orcs are the strongest race. Source: Garrosh said so all the time.
^Idk about that, but what i'm most curious about is: Where do dwarves rank in terms of strength? Are they really about as strong as Tauren?
I'd think it would go more like this. I eeserve the right to change any when ever I feel like it.

1. Tauren
2. orc
3. Dwarf/troll (zandalari)
3.5. Kultiron /troll (darkspear)
4. Goblin
5. draenei/ worgen(doggo mode)
6. night elf
7. Human/ worgen (cockney mode)
8. Blood elf/ emo elf/ high elf
9. Gnome

And that's everyone. Nope didn't miss a thing. Every acceptable race is accounted for.

11/12/2018 10:13 PMPosted by Totemfiend
^Idk about that, but what i'm most curious about is: Where do dwarves rank in terms of strength? Are they really about as strong as Tauren?
No
^Based on what though? You just said that's how you feel it should go...
11/12/2018 10:22 PMPosted by Totemfiend
^Based on what though? You just said that's how you feel it should go...
There isnt really anything to base this on. Are you expecting quotes from books? Damage from wc3 units?
11/12/2018 10:29 PMPosted by Smig
11/12/2018 10:22 PMPosted by Totemfiend
^Based on what though? You just said that's how you feel it should go...
There isnt really anything to base this on. Are you expecting quotes from books? Damage from wc3 units?


I was kind of hoping for it. All I've found so far is this page on Base attributes regarding the races that seems to have been from around Mop or Legion based on the stats and races available.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Base_attributes

(at the bottom)

I think this follows the lore pretty well; Taran Zhu wasn't as strong as garrosh in their cinematic. Sylvanas noted Baine could easily break her body. And Goblins were at some point noted to be stronger than they appear which would explain them being a good bit stronger than gnomes.
11/12/2018 10:18 PMPosted by Smig
I'd think it would go more like this. I eeserve the right to change any when ever I feel like it.

1. Tauren
2. orc
3. Dwarf/troll (zandalari)
3.5. Kultiron /troll (darkspear)
4. Goblin
5. draenei/ worgen(doggo mode)
6. night elf
7. Human/ worgen (cockney mode)
8. Blood elf/ emo elf/ high elf
9. Gnome

And that's everyone. Nope didn't miss a thing. Every acceptable race is accounted for.

11/12/2018 10:13 PMPosted by Totemfiend
^Idk about that, but what i'm most curious about is: Where do dwarves rank in terms of strength? Are they really about as strong as Tauren?
No


Don’t think goblins are known for their strength...
K, I though about it a bit more. that crap warcraft movie. An orc pick up a full grown warhorse over his head and hurls it like 30 feet.

In the vanilla cinematic the tauren smacks a brown bear with what I can only guess is 7-8 foot totem with enough force to send it a little ways. I mean that's got to be like getting hit by a truck going pretty damn fast. But it's no horse chucking.

Goblins have always managed huges feats of construction and are often featured pulling large amounts of ore and stuff. Also I think in some book or short story it was mentioned that partly why they were enslaved was because of how strong and hardy they were.

Some book had voljin describe zandalari as being very powerfully built, trading the guile that their darkspear cousins used for raw power.

Gnomes have the build of a human infant.

Draeni were described as being far weaker than orcs physically. But then arcomonde turned huge and snapped that dear gods neck during the war of the ancients. That was likely fel empowerment.

Broxigar describes night elves as perfect warriors... I think. Read those books like 10 years ago. They were okay.

Pretty sure its mentioned how much heavier dwarven armor is compaired to humans. So they are at least a bit stronger than them.

11/12/2018 10:35 PMPosted by Sigmar
Don’t think goblins are known for their strength...
its talked about when deathwing is getting all those plates bolted to him. He employed goblins because they would do that kind or work. Aka manual labor, lots and lots of labor.

You arnt wrong though. Goblins are know for being smart, greedy, reckless, and a little crazy. And having been irradiated by kajamite. Just a heads up, by goblin law, all kajamite belongs to goblins.
11/12/2018 10:51 PMPosted by Smig
its talked about when deathwing is getting all those plates bolted to him. He employed goblins because they would do that kind or work. Aka manual labor, lots and lots of labor.

Retconned in Legion. Goblins only manufactured the plates (still manual labor, but not as much). The hard work of actually bolting adamantium plates to a living Dragon Aspect was carried out by the Drogbar.
11/12/2018 10:51 PMPosted by Smig
K, I though about it a bit more. that crap warcraft movie. An orc pick up a full grown warhorse over his head and hurls it like 30 feet.

In the vanilla cinematic the tauren smacks a brown bear with what I can only guess is 7-8 foot totem with enough force to send it a little ways. I mean that's got to be like getting hit by a truck going pretty damn fast. But it's no horse chucking.

Goblins have always managed huges feats of construction and are often featured pulling large amounts of ore and stuff. Also I think in some book or short story it was mentioned that partly why they were enslaved was because of how strong and hardy they were.

Some book had voljin describe zandalari as being very powerfully built, trading the guile that their darkspear cousins used for raw power.

Gnomes have the build of a human infant.

Draeni were described as being far weaker than orcs physically. But then arcomonde turned huge and snapped that dear gods neck during the war of the ancients. That was likely fel empowerment.

Broxigar describes night elves as perfect warriors... I think. Read those books like 10 years ago. They were okay.

Pretty sure its mentioned how much heavier dwarven armor is compaired to humans. So they are at least a bit stronger than them.

11/12/2018 10:35 PMPosted by Sigmar
Don’t think goblins are known for their strength...
its talked about when deathwing is getting all those plates bolted to him. He employed goblins because they would do that kind or work. Aka manual labor, lots and lots of labor.

You arnt wrong though. Goblins are know for being smart, greedy, reckless, and a little crazy. And having been irradiated by kajamite. Just a heads up, by goblin law, all kajamite belongs to goblins.


In fairness the orc throwing a horse doesn't necessarily disprove tauren's being stronger than them. Also, wasn't Cairne noted to be stronger than Garrosh? We also still have the bit about AU Baine tearing Garrosh in half as well.
In fairness the orc throwing a horse doesn't necessarily disprove tauren's being stronger than them. Also, wasn't Cairne noted to be stronger than Garrosh? We also still have the bit about AU Baine tearing Garrosh in half as well.
the horse toss may not be an established measurement of strength, but those are the feats of strength I could think of. Tauren may be able to juggle horses, but there is no instance of that occurring.

I dont think we can judge the average strength of a species based off one (lore significant) individua. They tend to be above average for their race. It's like asking what are is the most powerful shaman and saying orc because thrall. Or that it mages are the strongest because jaina.

As for Cairne, yes he was likely the most powerful of the horde leaders. Hands down. Shae that they off'd for some terrible story crap that was almost immediately forgotten. And never really referenced by thrall until wod. With ll this retconing going around why not being him back?
I don't think we are to assume that lore characters are generally stronger than other members of their race? More skilled sure, but nothing about Baine, Garrosh, or Anduin suggests there to be a huge dearth in strength betwixt them and average members of their race.

and while it is true that we've no comparable feat of strength for Tauren similar to the horse tossing we do know that Tauren > Orc in strength since Baine could tear Garrosh apart. So it'd stand to reason that Tauren could toss horses too.

P.S. Blizz if your listening add Tauren juggling horses to the DM faire!
orc r good figgter but not as good as tauren, gnome r not as good as dwrf when fighting warrior
11/13/2018 01:10 AMPosted by Totemfiend
I don't think we are to assume that lore characters are generally stronger than other members of their race? More skilled sure, but nothing about Baine, Garrosh, or Anduin suggests there to be a huge dearth in strength betwixt them and average members of their race.


I'd say this is a safe assumption. Especially for non-magical characters like Baine, Cairne, and Garrosh. None of them use magic, so their feats are directly related to their own physical abilities.

It's also worth pointing out that in WC3 average orc units were the basic front line infantry while the average tauren unit was an elite heavy infantry shock troop. Tauren were clearly conceptualized as being more formidable than orcs on average, just as ogres were stronger than orcs in the older games.

Also... Just look at their sizes. Orcs are thickly built and muscular and about 6 feet tall. Tauren are thickly built and muscular and are 8-9 feet tall. Tauren have several hundred pounds over the orcs.
Yea, 1 and 2 are pretty much set in stone. My point was there hasnt been enough for us to go off of as evidence.

Cairne and Garrosh were pretty buff I thought. Cairne especially. I don pay much mind to any AU garbage.
male night elves are like 8 feet tall and pure muscle. If they're not as strong as orcs they're not far off.

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