Choosing either Saurfang or Forsaken in 8.1?

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10/07/2018 08:23 AMPosted by Hahahahahaha
Why would Forsaken players choose Saurfang? Because Sylvanas is acting like a Forsaken and for the interests of the Forsaken? OH NOES!
forsaken have never been loyal to the horde, so who cares
10/07/2018 08:33 AMPosted by Treng
10/07/2018 08:23 AMPosted by Hahahahahaha
Why would Forsaken players choose Saurfang? Because Sylvanas is acting like a Forsaken and for the interests of the Forsaken? OH NOES!
forsaken have never been loyal to the horde, so who cares


The Forsaken has allegiance to the Horde, god forbid they're more loyal to their leader and its people more than other factions....................oh the horror. The Forsaken have held their end of the bargain since joining the Horde, they've been right there on the front lines right along the rest of the Horde soldiers.
10/07/2018 08:33 AMPosted by Treng
10/07/2018 08:23 AMPosted by Hahahahahaha
Why would Forsaken players choose Saurfang? Because Sylvanas is acting like a Forsaken and for the interests of the Forsaken? OH NOES!
forsaken have never been loyal to the horde, so who cares


"He returned to Astranaar, berating himself. Dozens of night elves, including Malfurion
Stormrage, had escaped the village after their assault. Nathanos had only tracked down two, and he doubted anyone else had gotten a single one. Even Sylvanas would probably return empty-handed.

But then, she was tracking the biggest prey of all. He had no excuse.

Astranaar was no longer in chaos. The wounded were being tended to, the dead were accounted for, and the living had returned to the business of war, albeit a touch shaken. There was nothing quite like facing a creature who had commanded the wilds for more than ten thousand years.

If nothing else, the ungrateful masses of the Horde will finally give the warchief the respect she has earned. Over and over again, Malfurion had come to crush groups of Horde, and she had intervened. Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of lives had been saved because of her.

She had always deserved nothing less than their total devotion, but now, she would also have their regard.

It is about time."

---

A Good War, page 62.

Last I checked, someone who isn't loyal to the Horde wouldn't put themselves constantly at risk by chasing off the most powerful druid in Azeroth and preventing loss of life Horde-side because of it.
10/07/2018 08:57 AMPosted by Deathisfinal
The Forsaken have held their end of the bargain since joining the Horde

https://youtu.be/OC5MPeK0xgQ?t=705
10/07/2018 09:00 AMPosted by Treng
10/07/2018 08:57 AMPosted by Deathisfinal
The Forsaken have held their end of the bargain since joining the Horde

https://youtu.be/OC5MPeK0xgQ?t=705


What's that the Wrathgate lol?
10/07/2018 09:00 AMPosted by Treng
10/07/2018 08:57 AMPosted by Deathisfinal
The Forsaken have held their end of the bargain since joining the Horde

https://youtu.be/OC5MPeK0xgQ?t=705


Cost vs effect.

Kill your own soldiers with plague, kill all the Alliance things along with them.

OR

Have more of your soldiers be expended fighting the Alliance you would've killed with the plague.

Suffer more losses for no reason other than "muh honor", or use plague, kill your own soldiers, kill all of the Alliance things, as well as stop their advance at the gate, effectively making things stalemate out instead of taking the loss of your city. Tough choice.
10/07/2018 09:00 AMPosted by Treng
10/07/2018 08:57 AMPosted by Deathisfinal
The Forsaken have held their end of the bargain since joining the Horde

https://youtu.be/OC5MPeK0xgQ?t=705


https://youtu.be/GE9HVy1vgws?t=33
10/07/2018 09:09 AMPosted by Deathisfinal
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https://youtu.be/OC5MPeK0xgQ?t=705


https://youtu.be/GE9HVy1vgws?t=33

https://youtu.be/DKutw1zDgms?t=86

They will do anything to make sure their dark plans come to fruition.

Including saving Horde leaders, because the Horde is the only thing keeping the Alliance from killing the Forsaken.
"waah only those from kalimdor can consider themselves horde and should be the only ones whose opinions matter."
...

https://youtu.be/GE9HVy1vgws?t=33

https://youtu.be/DKutw1zDgms?t=86

They will do anything to make sure their dark plans come to fruition.

Including saving Horde leaders, because the Horde is the only thing keeping the Alliance from killing the Forsaken.


Luckily their "dark plans" include having allegiance to the Horde and saving the Horde's !@# huh?
10/07/2018 09:36 AMPosted by Deathisfinal
allegiance to the Horde

https://youtu.be/OC5MPeK0xgQ?t=705
The usurpers were eventually slain and the Forsaken capital was restored, but the debacle created suspicion among the Horde regarding Sylvanas’ ability to lead and ensure the loyalty of the Forsaken. Yet the Forsaken’s allegiance was proven anew when Sylvanas aided the Horde in freeing Orgrimmar from the control of Warchief Garrosh Hellscream, who sought to enslave the other races under orcish supremacy. Now, these free-willed undead fortify their holdings around the Undercity as they ready themselves for the deadly future they believe is inevitable. - Cdev

10/07/2018 09:39 AMPosted by Treng
10/07/2018 09:36 AMPosted by Deathisfinal
allegiance to the Horde

https://youtu.be/OC5MPeK0xgQ?t=705


https://youtu.be/vX8BiEI5c6c?t=44
10/07/2018 09:44 AMPosted by Deathisfinal
Yet the Forsaken’s allegiance was proven anew when Sylvanas aided the Horde in freeing Orgrimmar from the control of Warchief Garrosh Hellscream, who sought to
kill her Bulwark Against the Infinite?

No, it proved her pragmatism. She aids the Horde when it's in her interests.

Then she kills the Horde when it's in her interests.

Then she enslaves the Horde when it's in her interests.

Then she does not free the Horde when it's in her interests.
Anyway, Treng's "honor" obsession aside, those who pointed out that this is impossible in an MMO (or at least a theme park MMO) are on the nose. They will guide us one way or the other, and many people will be upset, and many others will be happy, and most will probably not really care and just think the cinematics are exciting either way.

As I said elsewhere I suspect the ending will be a big twist because that's what's been promised many times, I have a feeling this twist will piss off the majority of this forum (what doesn't though). What that twist may be I'd have no clue, it could be something utterly ridiculous and impossible to guess, or it could be something predictable based on Blizzard storytelling, conjecture at this point is difficult.
10/06/2018 09:09 PMPosted by Yagarr
Sadly, the Horde PC will be doing both.


Double the lose for me, cause I despise BOTH of them.

This expac is truly one to play ONLY for the gameplay... limit oneself to wack big NPCs until they drop something and go for the next.

10/07/2018 12:04 AMPosted by Treng
As any loyal member of the Horde would.


Sure cause crying on the enemies´ dungeons is the key to show Horde loyalty, amrite?

"buut, buut!! he escapes!!"... yeah dude, only after things got worse for Horde and who knows if Anduin didn´t influence such course of action.

Stop looking at the character with rose tinted glasses only because of the race he belongs... I bet if he were a Goblin, Belf or Frosaken you people would be only too happy to condemn his cowardly ways (and then you would be right, cause fact is he IS a coward that only gets up from his butt at the last minute; contrary to the threats he issues. Happened in Cata/MoP; it´s happening now, period.)
10/07/2018 08:12 AMPosted by Mardrigala
Don't you know Treng? Anyone who ISN'T okay with burning civilians alive and blighting Horde soldiers to turn into mindless skeleton cannon fodder are clearly not loyal members of the Horde.


< You seem to forget that Saurfang kind of burned down cities himself, back when green skin meant something.

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Said razing of cities and slaughter of innocents happened while they were under the influence of a demonic blood curse. And it's something that still haunts Saurfang to this day so badly that the guy won't even eat pork because it reminds him of the screaming of draenei children. Most of the stupidly bloodthirsty orcs were Garrosh's Korkron flunkies and most of them were killed off during MoP.

The root of orc culture (and the basis of Thrall's Horde, and the Horde that Vol'jin also championed...and the Horde I joined from vanilla through beginning of Cata) is glory in HONORABLE combat....there's a difference between killing a soldier in a fair battle and murdering non-combatants or winning a fight through cowardly or dishonorable means...even Garrosh was ticked when he found out Magatha poisoned his weapon because it meant his killing of Cairne was dishonorable (before they turned Garrosh into a Saturday morning cartoon villain).
If Sylvanas ends up being the villain of the piece, and just plain bad and evil (with further story development), I can buy that. It seems most likely.

However, I can not buy Saurfang being an option. Just contrast him with Cairne.

When Cairne felt Garrosh overstepped his bounds, he challenged him to a Makgora. He ended up being poisoned by fellow Tauren and dying.

So, Saurfang instead ran crying to Anduin, knelt before him, and began to service him... as a Horde traitor.

I am preferring Baine and Talanji's investigative approach so far. It's like Nancy Drew meets the Hardy Boys.
10/07/2018 10:31 AMPosted by Tråpstar
Anyway, Treng's "honor" obsession aside,
I haven't mentioned honor once.
10/07/2018 10:29 AMPosted by Treng
she kills the Horde when it's in her interests.

Then she enslaves the Horde when it's in her interests.

Then she does not free the Horde when it's in her interests.


Murdering and enslaving your allies isn't a matter of honor. That's just plain evil betrayal.
Do most people really dislike Saurfang that much?
10/07/2018 11:15 AMPosted by Belandas
Do most people really dislike Saurfang that much?


No. Remember the overwhelming cheering that happened across the game, Twitter and reddit when Old Soldier premiered. Remember how much negativity there was around Warbringers: Sylvanas.

The Story Forum actually has a lot of minority community opinions. Of those who actually care about the story and think of it through an ethical lens rather than "lol burn the elves," most people saw the burning of teldrassil as horrible and unnecessary. That's why the Warbringers is so heavily downvoted on Youtube - 20k downvotes to Old Soldier's 2.5k. And when it first premiered, Warbringers Sylvanas was around 50% downvoted.

Most players seem okay with Anduin. He has a pretty enthusiastic following on Twitter. Grab a random person off reddit and their opinion is that it's been cool to see him grow up and come into his own. Grab a random opinion here and he's an unforgivable Mary Sue emperor who doesn't allow other races to form their own opinions.

Both the greater community and the Story Forum are upset about Night Elves, particularly with 8.1, but the opinion that the night elves shouldn't even be Alliance and should break off in some way seems almost entirely localized to the Story Forum.

TL;DR y'all turned my thread into a petty youtube spamathon and I am vexed

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