So Sylvanas tactically wins against Alliance

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11/05/2018 01:52 PMPosted by Eleroleron
Alliance are losing too many soldiers and are about to enlist farmers. Anduin admits that he cant stop her with the forces he has. They enlist Saurfang to use as a deus ex machina to try and defeat her.

Looks like Sylvanas won against the Alliance power. Undead really are the best troops.


Meanwhile the Forsaken have a nearly completely nonrenewable population and suffer no such manpower issues despite Sylvanas killing nearly as many of them herself as the Alliance.

Also our literal starship with orbital-to-ground bombardment capability along with two bloody factions of Draenei seem to be utterly absent from every engagement because...reasons?

Blizzard writing: It may not be consistent but at least it is consistently terrible!
11/05/2018 01:52 PMPosted by Eleroleron
Alliance are losing too many soldiers and are about to enlist farmers. Anduin admits that he cant stop her with the forces he has. They enlist Saurfang to use as a deus ex machina to try and defeat her.

Looks like Sylvanas won against the Alliance power. Undead really are the best troops.


Meanwhile the Forsaken have a nearly completely nonrenewable population and suffer no such manpower issues despite Sylvanas killing nearly as many of them herself as the Alliance.

Also our literal starship with orbital-to-ground bombardment capability along with two bloody factions of Draenei seem to be utterly absent from every engagement because...reasons?

Blizzard writing: It may not be consistent but at least it is consistently terrible!

They are busy attacking neutral, innocent fox people apparently.
I just want to learn that spell Malfurion used on that poor orc boy.. so I can do it to sylvanas.
Alliance are only losing because Anduin is racist. Anduin, just ask the Dark Irons to plant Gnome radiation bombs everywhere using their mole machines while you glass everything from orbit with your starcraft ship. Those Mole Machines are able to drill through DIMENSIONS and TIMELINES, nothing the horde has can stop that.

Or just tell Mekkatorque to tell the gnomes to build bigger explosives than Goblins could ever hope to make. You know, before he goes into carbonite.

The only reason the Alliance is 'losing' is due to gross mismanagement. Lose the human kingdom and with someone like WC3 tyrande leading the Alliance the Horde lose within the week.
It's difficult to judge any character's actions or reactions in this mess because it's all so disjointed. Sylvanas just has the magical ability to make every character around her act like an oblivious moron, and can whistle up hundreds of support troops out of thin air even before she starts using her undead powers.

I'm not going to stop being annoyed by this. The Alliance is ostensibly down to a skeleton crew, but somehow, the Horde has infinite manpower for no particular reason. You can't really judge this in terms of the characters; it's entirely because the writers say so, full stop, no gimmicks.
11/05/2018 01:52 PMPosted by Eleroleron
Alliance are losing too many soldiers and are about to enlist farmers. Anduin admits that he cant stop her with the forces he has. They enlist Saurfang to use as a deus ex machina to try and defeat her.

Looks like Sylvanas won against the Alliance power. Undead really are the best troops.


Blights everything. MUUUUUUH TaCtiCal
11/05/2018 06:18 PMPosted by Pranda
The Alliance is ostensibly down to a skeleton crew, but somehow, the Horde has infinite manpower for no particular reason.


Well that's the thing. Apparently the human armies are.

Never mind the fact Ironforge is a stone's throw away with legions of troops and steam tanks that haven't been deployed in force...well pretty much ever. Other than the ten or so riflemen that could be bothered turning up for the siege of Lordaeron, that is. Then we got the bulk of the Worgen forces which have done nothing but guard my garrison since WoD. And then there is our aforementioned Draenei who took the Vindicaar and went on a trans-dimensional joyride with it for the last six or so months. Or at least I can only assume so since Blizzard were too lazy to come up with even a flimsy plot reason why are not nuking every Horde city from orbit right now (just to be sure).

But oh no, the humans are getting hammered so it is utterly, utterly hopeless for the Alliance. If only because the writers forget about the other nine or so factions in the Alliance (ten if the Kirin Tor could stop stabbing us in the back every five minutes).
If you look at the story line its going down that path you meet Vol'jin ghost and it turns out he doesn't know why he made Sylvanas war chief but seems to think it was old gods meddling possibly Nzoth. Sylvanas accepts a deal with Nzoth you fight them in 8.3 they lose and Saurfang becomes warchief.
11/05/2018 06:35 PMPosted by Azuremi
If you look at the story line its going down that path you meet Vol'jin ghost and it turns out he doesn't know why he made Sylvanas war chief but seems to think it was old gods meddling possibly Nzoth. Sylvanas accepts a deal with Nzoth you fight them in 8.3 they lose and Saurfang becomes warchief.


It feels more like Thrall might be coming back because clearly no one else can handle the job.
if blizzard actually knew their own lore they would know that the nelf army alone would have been enough to stop the horde.

That said people need to face the stalemate that is going to be this xpac neither wins or loses greater evil and all that.

Really dissapointed with the direction they are taking sylvanas tho taking her down the full crazy evil route. Then again thats how they write females in wow full crazy or married to rando for reasons.
11/05/2018 06:18 PMPosted by Pranda
The Alliance is ostensibly down to a skeleton crew, but somehow, the Horde has infinite manpower for no particular reason.

Didn't the orcs supposedly lose some huge part of their army at the Siege of Orgrimmar? When have they even remotely had time to replace them?

Honestly I'm disappointed that they're downplaying the wartime stress on the Horde. I think it would do a lot to make Saurfang's position clear and add something to their portrayal of the Horde if they would take the time to focus on how places like Durotar and Mulgore are affected by these losses.

But no, the Horde's too badass and is "winning" so clearly nothing bad can happen to them. :(
11/05/2018 02:04 PMPosted by Adelphie
Because Anduin's a moron that tried to zerg rush Lordaeron without a plan for the Blight and only surviving because of 2 deus ex machinas.

This isn't Sylvanas being a tactical genius, this is Anduin being a complete and utter moron.


Correction: This is Blizz writing Anduin to be a moron because they need/want him to be a moron. Lets be honest, Anduin had planners to help who ought to have known better. Anduin had the other leaders of the Alliance to help that should've known better. And walking into Lordaeron? He walked in there with three other people who should've known better.

They're writing the Alliance as being stupid because they want the Alliance to be stupid. Period.
11/05/2018 02:28 PMPosted by Saturn
When are we going to use our spaceship or covertly take out her valkyr? She needs to be a loot pinata faster.


The space ship is out of fuel ?
Its just bad writing. How did the alliance miss a massive horde invasion heading to astranaar? Whoever was in charge of the story before must've left because nothing makes sense anymore. Space goats make more sense than this garbage.
11/05/2018 01:57 PMPosted by Tyierin
Honestly? Saurfang’s the evil one, not Sylvanas. If Saurfang killed Malfurion like he was supposed to, Malfurion wouldn’t have buried that innocent orc alive in the cinematic :(


I thought he was planting an orc tree. Don’t orcs grow on trees?
So Sylvanas tactically wins against Alliance

Like there was ever any doubt. lol

Alliance are down to arming farmers. So much for that mighty Alliance military. Our racial leaders get schooled by second tier Horde characters. So much for those uber powerful Alliance lore characters. What spaceship? So much for that big Alliance technological advantage.

Horde has been given literally every single advantage in BFA. Alliance are just the NPC's in the Horde story.

Hope no one Alliance side is till holding out hope we will get some form of justice for Sylvanas' crimes against Gilneas and the NE's, that honor is apparently going to go to Saurfang.
11/05/2018 07:48 PMPosted by Hypertickle
Its just bad writing. How did the alliance miss a massive horde invasion heading to astranaar? Whoever was in charge of the story before must've left because nothing makes sense anymore. Space goats make more sense than this garbage.

I mean, yeah that is literally what happened. Metzen left. Metzen wasn't Shakespeare, and definitely loved his self inserts a little too much, but at least he was better than your average fanfic writer. Sadly that last part isn't the case anymore.
11/05/2018 02:03 PMPosted by Enekie
Sylvanas didn't win anything. The Alliance didn't lose anything.

The plot needed her to be winning so she's winning. When the plot needs her to lose, she'll lose.


Only because she's betrayed because only then the devs can justify killing their waifu.
The undead is the perfect army. Just look at whitewalkers from Game of Thrones.
11/05/2018 01:57 PMPosted by Tyierin
innocent orc


That's a bit of a contradiction in terms there.

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