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11/07/2018 10:36 AMPosted by Abombanation
Can't do it Prot is the worst FC.


It's a random BG, not a high rated BG. You can do it, you just won't get the KBs, at least be honest.
11/07/2018 10:37 AMPosted by Jugajr
11/07/2018 10:36 AMPosted by Abombanation
Can't do it Prot is the worst FC.


It's a random BG, not a high rated BG. You can do it, you just won't get the KBs, at least be honest.


I can't do it because of the reason I already listed. It's common sense and simple math.

Can't do it Prot is the worst FC. Arms takes 45% less damage in D stance in PvP and in that WSG in that picture we won one of the Arms warrior ran it. Just easier to protect him and kill the EFC than if I were to hold it. Just doesn't make sense to pick it up.

I can also just Demo shout for the Arms warrior so he actually is taking another 20% less dmg. That is why Man Cleave in Arena works so well. Prot makes the Arms warrior immortal and can do more damage.

Now you know how that works :)

They did ask me initially to run it but I said we won't win if i pick it up. I explained what i just did to you now and of course we won easily because they couldn't kill the Arms warrior with me escorting.


If you want to lose I could pick up the flag but rather give the team a fighting chance and do what Prot is good at.
11/07/2018 10:42 AMPosted by Abombanation
I can't do it


Yes you can. You just walk up to the flag and right click it.
Okay, but you don't always have an arms warrior, or even a good FC. Again, it's a random BG. I have won with prot carrying the flag before. Talk to Pwny, he's a good prot warrior fc
Who let abomb out of his cage? You were a joke last xp and you're the same now.
11/07/2018 10:25 AMPosted by Tribbie
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I think being a road fighting prot warrior would be a bigger concern to most people


The Abomb goes where he is needed. Sometimes that is the road. Sometimes it is a Base or Yeeting the EFC. However think the bigger picture is how is the Prot warrior getting more kills than Arms/Fury? That is why I never carry the Flag.


/Sigh man this attitude. Never carry the flag? I hope you're exaggerating for effect. Anyone should be willing to pick up the flag when the situation calls for it. The only ones that maybe should never are healers but even then they can be tanks sometimes.

I guarantee you that prot warrior makes a better fc than any shaman spec. Even with ghost wolf we move at a snail pace and our wall is kinda lame with a long CD. I also think you're better than dks and priests. You're also not worse than half a dozen other classes and specs, at worst even.

It sounds like you would win a lot more if you actually stopped being stubborn for the sake of your argument. Just play smart :P
11/07/2018 10:44 AMPosted by Jdpp
11/07/2018 10:42 AMPosted by Abombanation
I can't do it


Yes you can. You just walk up to the flag and right click it.


Pretty sure you don't want the worst person picking up the flag to actually pick it up right? If you want Blizzard to remove the extra damage Prot takes in PvP and buff them to FC again then fine but as is. Why do you want the worst FC carrying the flag. A disc, druid, monk, dh, warrior pretty much everyone is a better option.

I know you are joking but I am actually explaining the real reason.

11/07/2018 10:44 AMPosted by Jugajr
Okay, but you don't always have an arms warrior, or even a good FC.


Priest, Druid, Monk, Dh are all better at FC than Prot. There is always one of these in a BG. Then a Rogue can even quick cap and is better.

Why are you like this? I gave you a 100% factual reason and you still go on. I know what my class can and can't do. Having a Prot carry the flag is just playing bad and making a mistake. You will always have a better chance if the Prot were to escort and keep up CC and Dmg reduction on the FC. Then intervene him.

11/07/2018 10:49 AMPosted by Nawat
It sounds like you would win a lot more if you actually stopped being stubborn for the sake of your argument. Just play smart :P


I do play smart and said why above.

Anyways its been fun and I got to spread a little Prot knowledge as well :) Just remember don't let the Prot get the Flag. Have him be useful instead :) Now time to get some work done.
Pretty sure you don't want the worst person picking up the flag to actually pick it up right?


Again, get some tips from Pwny. He carries the flag like a real champ, while I go after EFC.
You're not giving fact dude that's why. Is prot the best fc? Hell no.

Is it half as bad as you say it is? Hell no.

Disc is not a good fc. They're tanky but they can't move. Fcs need to be tanky and mobile. You have some of both. There is a reason why absolutely nobody is on your side on this point lol

Edit: Is dh/monk/druid all better? Maybe. Sometimes though they can't get there on time or they're just bad. You got to suck up your pride and pick it up man.
Having a Prot carry the flag is just playing bad and making a mistake.

Never seems to be an issue for me and I am usually having to heal them
11/07/2018 10:59 AMPosted by Tribbie
Having a Prot carry the flag is just playing bad and making a mistake.

Never seems to be an issue for me and I am usually having to heal them


Lol it's kinda funny. He's not wrong that prot isn't a great fc. The issue is he exaggerates it to the point where he is actually wrong. Ah well. Got to give him credit for his passion of the spec.
11/07/2018 10:55 AMPosted by Nawat
Disc is not a good fc


I mean, healers are poor FC's in general because you're essentially removing a healer from the equation. They're going to be focused/stunned/kicked relentlessly and won't be able to heal themselves or anyone else.
11/07/2018 11:03 AMPosted by Nawat
Lol it's kinda funny. He's not wrong that prot isn't a great fc.


It's better than a Warlock FC, or Spriest, with no movement at all
11/07/2018 11:04 AMPosted by Corilan
11/07/2018 10:55 AMPosted by Nawat
Disc is not a good fc


I mean, healers are poor FC's in general because you're essentially removing a healer from the equation. They're going to be focused/stunned/kicked relentlessly and won't be able to heal themselves or anyone else.


This is what I love about random BGs though. There is no right or wrong answer, every BG is different depending on who plays. I say Warlocks aren't great FC's but I bet there's a warlock out there who would prove me wrong lol. It's not like rated BGs where you just know the DH is going to be the FC and efc, ya know?
11/07/2018 10:55 AMPosted by Nawat
You're not giving fact dude that's why. Is prot the best fc? Hell no.

Is it half as bad as you say it is? Hell no.


Got time for one more comment :) Yes it is as bad as I say.

11/07/2018 10:55 AMPosted by Nawat
Disc is not a good fc. They're tanky but they can't move. Fcs need to be tanky and mobile. You have some of both.


Prot is extremely squishy in PvP. I even explained it. It used to not be that way but obviously you don't know how PvP works.

The main defensive CD for Prot is Shield Wall on a 4 min CD and is 40% dmg reduction yet even with this up an Arms warrior in D stance still takes less dmg!

It really isn't rocket science. They removed Softening blows 20% dmg reduction as a PvP talent and now only has active mitigation on GCD. Which means Prot takes way more dmg than any other class when CCed. It has nothing to save them.

If you stun a Prot warrior that 30k chaos bolt on say an Arms does 43,500 dmg to the Prot. They are super squishy and hopefully in 8.1 that will change.

I really don't say these things for fun or to irritate people it is 100% facts and math. Why on earth would I pick up the flag? It just doesn't make sense at all. Not at all!!

11/07/2018 10:55 AMPosted by Nawat
Edit: Is dh/monk/druid all better? Maybe.


Yes they are all better because Prot is super squishy and mechanically has all it's active mitigation on GCD with zero passive overall mitigation to survive CC.

Look I used to FC all the time in RBGs and that was my job. Not this expansion. That is pointless for me to FC. This isn't Cata. Heck Prot could FC in Legion and was ok though still not the best. However now? No way it just is not something a Prot should ever do.

You obviously don't know how much more squishy Prot is compared to Legion. It's incredible.

11/07/2018 11:05 AMPosted by Jugajr
Spriest


Spriest is tankier than Prot. Especially vs Magic dmg.

PS- Boomkins are way tankier than Prot and are better FC's
11/07/2018 10:55 AMPosted by Nawat
You're not giving fact dude that's why. Is prot the best fc? Hell no.

Is it half as bad as you say it is? Hell no.


Got time for one more comment :) Yes it is as bad as I say.

11/07/2018 10:55 AMPosted by Nawat
Disc is not a good fc. They're tanky but they can't move. Fcs need to be tanky and mobile. You have some of both.


Prot is extremely squishy in PvP. I even explained it. It used to not be that way but obviously you don't know how PvP works.

The main defensive CD for Prot is Shield Wall on a 4 min CD and is 40% dmg reduction yet even with this up an Arms warrior in D stance still takes less dmg!

It really isn't rocket science. They removed Softening blows 20% dmg reduction as a PvP talent and now only has active mitigation on GCD. Which means Prot takes way more dmg than any other class when CCed. It has nothing to save them.

If you stun a Prot warrior that 30k chaos bolt on say an Arms does 43,500 dmg to the Prot. They are super squishy and hopefully in 8.1 that will change.

I really don't say these things for fun or to irritate people it is 100% facts and math. Why on earth would I pick up the flag? It just doesn't make sense at all. Not at all!!

11/07/2018 10:55 AMPosted by Nawat
Edit: Is dh/monk/druid all better? Maybe.


Yes they are all better because Prot is super squishy and mechanically has all it's active mitigation on GCD with zero passive overall mitigation to survive CC.


Man I think you may need to at a healer. Just for some perspective.... I would much rather heal a prot warrior carrying the flag than a priest/warlock/shaman/rogue (only good for quick cheeses)/dks. I'm sure there are more but those are the main ones.

Also as someone mentioned, healers are definitely less priority to take the flag. It makes the choice of stun Target soooo much easier.

Play a healer man. Just to see. Trust me there is a reason why nobody agrees with you. I'm not saying prot warrior is good. It's just not hella bad XD
Yes it is as bad as I say.


Maybe it's you.
If you stun a Prot warrior that 30k chaos bolt on say an Arms does 43,500 dmg to the Prot. They are super squishy and hopefully in 8.1 that will change.


You also have much more health compared to a non tank warrior, so that could be why the 13k extra damage...
11/07/2018 11:13 AMPosted by Nawat
Trust me there is a reason why nobody agrees with you.


There are plenty of people that agree with me lol. Anyone that knows game mechanics. I have a full understanding of how dmg works and what negates it. There are a few people in this thread that don't understand and I am explaining how it works. Those few people don't agree with me. However you can't logically or statistically rank Prot even in the top 5 FC's

11/07/2018 11:15 AMPosted by Jugajr
Yes it is as bad as I say.


Maybe it's you.


I seriously doubt there are many Prot warriors that know as much as me in the world or are actually better than me in PvP. That is why I am the one who writes the Prot PvP guides on the warrior forums over the past years. Not to mention I am friends with the top ranked Prot warrior in the world in Arena. The information I pass a long has been tested and is the truth. If you are willing to dispute it with factual statistical information instead of trolling that would be appreciated :)
I seriously doubt there are many Prot warriors that are better than me in the world. Not to mention I am friends with the top ranked Prot warrior in the world in Arena. The information I pass a long has been tested and is the truth. If you are willing to dispute it with factual statistical information instead of trolling that would be appreciated :)


You're talking about random BGs here. You don't need to be the best in anything lol. I have seen prot warriors carry flags without issue. Is it always the way? No, but it's not impossible like you are carrying on.

And again, this, since you are comparing 13k CBs damage difference on both specs...

11/07/2018 11:19 AMPosted by Jugajr
You also have much more health compared to a non tank warrior, so that could be why the 13k extra damage...

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