Low Level BGs Unplayable Because Twinks

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alliance twinks hard in lower lvl bgs.they fight harder there then end game bgs...lmao.
11/10/2018 06:06 PMPosted by Jamalia
twinks no longer get ther own brackets


Welcome to 2016? All toons in instanced pvp gets scaled up to bracket cap (so lowbies can compete), enchantments don't function, and only iLvl matters for stats- so those who've gathered gear with terrible (high) itemization loose out.

Twinks are weaker than they've ever been. Sorry.


Wrong. While below 60 you are running into fully enchanted/heirloomed chars, in the upper brackets you will queue into groups where exp off toons have been run thru level appropriate raid instances. When you can stack ~20 primary stat gems and enchant... You get dps/healer toons with 3x to 4x the throughput of anyone else in the bg. With 2 or 3 of those on the opposing team, it isn't much fun at all.

For low levels, Blizzard should just slam everyone to level *9 and apply a stats template for instanced PvP.

I really enjoyed random bg instances from 10 to 59. After a couple of bad weekends above that. I pretty much don't queue PvP for levels above 59.
11/10/2018 06:06 PMPosted by Jamalia
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Welcome to 2016? All toons in instanced pvp gets scaled up to bracket cap (so lowbies can compete), enchantments don't function, and only iLvl matters for stats- so those who've gathered gear with terrible (high) itemization loose out.

Twinks are weaker than they've ever been. Sorry.


Wrong. While below 60 you are running into fully enchanted/heirloomed chars, in the upper brackets you will queue into groups where exp off toons have been run thru level appropriate raid instances. When you can stack ~20 primary stat gems and enchant... You get dps/healer toons with 3x to 4x the throughput of anyone else in the bg. With 2 or 3 of those on the opposing team, it isn't much fun at all.

For low levels, Blizzard should just slam everyone to level *9 and apply a stats template for instanced PvP.

I really enjoyed random bg instances from 10 to 59. After a couple of bad weekends above that. I pretty much don't queue PvP for levels above 59.

Just make your own twink then?
11/10/2018 05:24 PMPosted by Leodrinn
Self explanatory.

Twinks no longer get a separate bracket.

The scaling is absolutely broken.

Enchants work in BGs.

Every lesson learned over the past decade on how to make low level BGs an enjoyable experience for everyone was undone in 8.0.1

That wat made WoW great actually sorry.

You gear up so you can stomp kids.

Can't beat them? join them.
11/10/2018 07:32 PMPosted by Paladonkey
Just make your own twink then?


Not interested. Easier to just cross PvP completely off of the list of things I spend time on in game. Enjoyed it through Cata and MoP. Started to get wonky in WoD. Did some low level battlegrounds on the way to level 80, in the last few months, as I'm working on Loremaster for WoTLK, but that was it.
11/10/2018 06:06 PMPosted by Jamalia
twinks no longer get ther own brackets


Welcome to 2016? All toons in instanced pvp gets scaled up to bracket cap (so lowbies can compete), enchantments don't function, and only iLvl matters for stats- so those who've gathered gear with terrible (high) itemization loose out.

Twinks are weaker than they've ever been. Sorry.


First not against twinks. But enchants work in bg. Look at mine. they work. No reduction. I am not twinking just trying hold my own. A avenger bg will have 4 to whole side twinks. Last and this week alliance side everyone a twink. the full raid. we have people doing 500k damage total here folks.

Im talking 30 losses in a row. No wins at all. Bg was pretty balance before when they allowed up to 4. But not the whole team. Not sure why it changed.

I seen some do 1k hits on minor abilities that normally do 180 or points. These are instant cast ability with no or short cd. Even a rogue can get hit hard if not heavy twinks.

Thus it nee a little tuning. Which devs are not known todo.
If 7.0 was when they merged the twinks back in with levelers its because of templates and gear normalization. Twinks were around the same strength as your average joe. With the removal of templates the twinks need to go back to their own playground.

Tell Blizzard to make max level fun again and we will head back to playing our max level characters. I haven't seen this many twinks in ages and there is a reason for that.


If there are so many of you, then split the queues again. You seem to have more then enough to fill games, no?
When I was hardcore back then, I love creating and playing twinks... to destroy those overgeared twinks. I think I created 3x twink killer twinks playing at level 18/19 on level 19 bracket, playing at level 28/29 on level 29 bracket, 38/39 on 39 bracket ,etc.

And there was a time when my 2 friends asked me to play twinks with them. They run me to lowbie dungeons to gear my twink. I have to tell them which dungeon where I could get the most OP gear and they ran my twink for it. We were comparing Heirloom stats and Dungeon gear stats... some Dungeon gear has better stats than Heirlooms and they make sure I have it for my twink. And when we started playing BGs with our uber geared twinks, we started slaying those poorly geared twinks.

Warrior and Hunter twinks were OP back then. Just imagine a Hunter with Aspect of the Cheetah at very low level while the rest were just crawling. It was fun while it lasted.

I think I realized that I lost my twink advantages when I leveled up my toon... was it in Legion or BFA? It was sad. But at the same time it seems okay coz now nobody can have a big advantage over me when I was lower in level.
11/10/2018 06:08 PMPosted by Huh
It's pretty funny how most of them are just absolutely awful at this game at max level. You notice little things that scream "I'm horrible!" like keyboard turning and backpedaling. But since they're basically taking advantage of the fact that the general majority of people in low level BGs are just passing through, they feel like they're actually good.
Its funny you try to rationalize this hur they are bad at max. You make it as you're a high tier player which makes it more funny.
Wait wait wait.

Are you kidding me. Twinks are back with the general population? They are quite possibly the worst aspect of this game. I almost quit playing when I first started back in classic because of twinks.

Is Blizzard just on the bad decision train?

I haven't seen this many twinks in ages and there is a reason for that.


Yea, because you have victims again.

Everything you people say to justify twinking are all lies. 100% complete and total lies. You're not doing it because of end game, you're not doing it for a "challenge" you twink for the same reason people do circuits of stranglethorn to gank low levels.

You completely ruin an aspect of this game.
11/10/2018 07:51 PMPosted by Valarien
If 7.0 was when they merged the twinks back in with levelers its because of templates and gear normalization. Twinks were around the same strength as your average joe. With the removal of templates the twinks need to go back to their own playground.

Tell Blizzard to make max level fun again and we will head back to playing our max level characters. I haven't seen this many twinks in ages and there is a reason for that.

If there are so many of you, then split the queues again. You seem to have more then enough to fill games, no?

How can players split the queues? It is not within our power.

Personally I think a more effective change would be to queue premades against premades, whether twinks or not. I think that's a bigger problem than twinks.
11/10/2018 09:03 PMPosted by Bullcritt
How can players split the queues? It is not within our power.

Personally I think a more effective change would be to queue premades against premades, whether twinks or not. I think that's a bigger problem than twinks.


They can't, but that doesn't stop twinks from defending the practice.
11/10/2018 08:12 PMPosted by Xukon
Wait wait wait.

Are you kidding me. Twinks are back with the general population? They are quite possibly the worst aspect of this game. I almost quit playing when I first started back in classic because of twinks.

Is Blizzard just on the bad decision train?

I haven't seen this many twinks in ages and there is a reason for that.

Yea, because you have victims again.

Everything you people say to justify twinking are all lies. 100% complete and total lies. You're not doing it because of end game, you're not doing it for a "challenge" you twink for the same reason people do circuits of stranglethorn to gank low levels.

You completely ruin an aspect of this game.

Considering you're suddenly outraged about changes that happened 2-1/2 years ago...

Maybe you should have objected when the changes were first announced, like 3 years ago?
When it was something to make a twink and get the gear was a lot of farming with people to help you make them. Now they are to easy to make and have the ah asking a ton of gold for low lvl gear for players that are just looking for gear while lvling up.
11/10/2018 09:06 PMPosted by Bullcritt
Considering you're suddenly outraged about changes that happened 2-1/2 years ago...

Maybe you should have objected when the changes were first announced, like 3 years ago?


I suppose you missed the part of my post that said templates were around when they merged the two together. Gear was normalized so there wasn't a need for separate queues. A player in an assortment of questing greens could do reasonably well against a twink decked out.

Thats not the case anymore. Hence the complaining.
don't blame me, i haven't been in a battleground since 2012. but i did have enjoyment being in elemental spec and topping dps&heals for blackrock caverns and throne of tides dungeon finders back in 2013

one day, i'll have a max level boost me ulduar gear so that i can earn herald of the titans
11/10/2018 09:06 PMPosted by Bullcritt
Considering you're suddenly outraged about changes that happened 2-1/2 years ago...

Maybe you should have objected when the changes were first announced, like 3 years ago?


Before quoting me you quoted the person who literally answered the question you're asking me.

What exactly is your goal here? Or did you think I wouldn't read any post except this one?
11/10/2018 09:12 PMPosted by Valarien
11/10/2018 09:06 PMPosted by Bullcritt
Considering you're suddenly outraged about changes that happened 2-1/2 years ago...

Maybe you should have objected when the changes were first announced, like 3 years ago?

I suppose you missed the part of my post that said templates were around when they merged the two together. Gear was normalized so there wasn't a need for separate queues. A player in an assortment of questing greens could do reasonably well against a twink decked out.

Thats not the case anymore. Hence the complaining.

Templates came in at exactly the same time that separate queues stopped.

Templates were a huge failure. Gear was "normalized" around certain templates that worked great for the chosen FOTM specs, and were utter garbage for others. So people who were blessed by that huge boost from the templates started thread after thread demanding that templates also be applied in wpvp. And people whose templates crushed their spec whined and quit pvp.

My guardian had the lowest health of anyone on the team.

Not a good time for anyone.
OP is right..time to get rid of them again
11/10/2018 09:17 PMPosted by Bullcritt
Not a good time for anyone.


Except for all of the people who just wanted to jump into battlegrounds every once in awhile. Especially alts.

Although this alternative is so much better. People getting one shot and farmed by twinks is so much better than some spec suffering from poor template itemization.

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