How Sylvanas could win the war

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The Alliance is weaker* than ever


Did you see the lost honor cinematic? We are nearly out of soldiers, and are drafting farmers into the war. Tyrande is about to go on a revenge mission and get many night elfs killed as well. This is why Anduin went to Saurfang in the first place. He needed to make a drastic move or lose the war.
11/12/2018 09:26 AMPosted by Stabalicious
The Alliance is weaker* than ever


Did you see the lost honor cinematic? We are nearly out of soldiers, and are drafting farmers into the war. Tyrande is about to go on a revenge mission and get many night elfs killed as well. This is why Anduin went to Saurfang in the first place. He needed to make a drastic move or lose the war.


Yet somehow they defeat the Zandalari and kill the king.
11/12/2018 09:26 AMPosted by Stabalicious
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Did you see the lost honor cinematic? We are nearly out of soldiers, and are drafting farmers into the war. Tyrande is about to go on a revenge mission and get many night elfs killed as well. This is why Anduin went to Saurfang in the first place. He needed to make a drastic move or lose the war.


Yet somehow they defeat the Zandalari and kill the king.


And are driven back and ultimately lose the battle.
11/12/2018 08:38 AMPosted by Grandblade
Every time a soldier of the Horde or Alliance falls in battle... Sylvanas army of forsaken becomes larger and stronger.
Free will tho.


The forsaken who came from Arthas scourge seemed to have a good chance at free will, once they had broken free.

The new forsaken that The Dark Lady has raised with the aid of Val'kyr, seem to be much more inclined to serve Sylvanas.
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Yet somehow they defeat the Zandalari and kill the king.


And are driven back and ultimately lose the battle.


To be fair that's not entirely true. The Alliance retreats on their own, they are not driven back. The Horde fights the rear guard protecting the retreat.
How?
The comic has already shown Anduin 40yrs into the future, and he is like one final step away from total victory, could be against the Horde or could be against the Old Gods.

Probably against the Old Gods since he rather unites Azeroth than committing to a racial genocide like Sylvanas.
plot twist
can we just lightforge garrosh or something or bring back some bull!@#$ excuse so he is our warchief again and isint a %^-* head?
11/12/2018 07:18 AMPosted by Ayaani
How Sylvanas could win the war


Don't you worry, the writers won't allow her to lose.


5 bucks says they pull an Arthas and say that Sylvanas' evil was simply to prepare Azeroth or the Horde/Alliance for an ever GREATER evil and that her burning Teldrassil out of spite was actually a Good Thing(TM).

Also Nathanos will somehow become one of the most powerful beings on Azeroth (but not stronger than the Dark Lady of course!) and will singlehandedly crush Turelyon, Velen and Genn in a 3v1.
11/12/2018 09:58 AMPosted by Junò
plot twist
can we just lightforge garrosh or something or bring back some bull!@#$ excuse so he is our warchief again and isint a %^-* head?


Time travel and different plane/time line ect ect.

Didn't Blizzard say out of the thousands and thousands of timelines, he was the best Warchief except for that 1/10000000 that he was a dummy in the main timeline?
11/12/2018 07:18 AMPosted by Ayaani
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Don't you worry, the writers won't allow her to lose.


5 bucks says they pull an Arthas and say that Sylvanas' evil was simply to prepare Azeroth or the Horde/Alliance for an ever GREATER evil and that her burning Teldrassil out of spite was actually a Good Thing(TM).

Also Nathanos will somehow become one of the most powerful beings on Azeroth (but not stronger than the Dark Lady of course!) and will singlehandedly crush Turelyon, Velen and Genn in a 3v1.


all bets shes gonna get karriganed

while i dont really want that i dont want to kill her ether because id rather this not become a trend for future stories and end up with the same story but with different text every expansion
11/12/2018 10:02 AMPosted by Haruhi
11/12/2018 09:58 AMPosted by Junò
plot twist
can we just lightforge garrosh or something or bring back some bull!@#$ excuse so he is our warchief again and isint a %^-* head?


Time travel and different plane/time line ect ect.

Didn't Blizzard say out of the thousands and thousands of timelines, he was the best Warchief except for that 1/10000000 that he was a dummy in the main timeline?


i doth believe so lets go kidnap one and bring him to our timeline so the horde can have some honor and surfang can bust a nut in peace
11/12/2018 09:26 AMPosted by Stabalicious
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Did you see the lost honor cinematic? We are nearly out of soldiers, and are drafting farmers into the war. Tyrande is about to go on a revenge mission and get many night elfs killed as well. This is why Anduin went to Saurfang in the first place. He needed to make a drastic move or lose the war.


Yet somehow they defeat the Zandalari and kill the king.


The Zandalari is currently an Empire built on smoke and mirrors. Internally, they just went through their own civil war and have been fighting on several fronts for a long time. Even their lands have been decimated by the Sundering and Cataclysm. The Empire used to stretch along of highest mountain tops in a large range of mountains. All of the land between the current island of Zandalar and Pandaria used to belong to them.

Their only strength was their fleet which has also been divided by civil war and further crippled by the covert Alliance War campaign and a small number of operatives.
Game play wise, obviously neither side can ever completely and totally win. My prediction is that it will be explained by us finding out that she isn't trying to win but rather grind both armies down and cause as many casualties as possible as others have said.
Pretty sure Sylvanas is busy trying to find a way to defeat the threat of the old gods, while also balancing the war against the Alliance. The game has made great efforts to show us every perspective, and viewpoint of all major characters in WoW with the blaring exception of hers.

Pretty sure she's being painted as the red herring for a reason, and once all the facts come out we'll have a better understanding of what is really going on.
As if the current writing team would actually let their precious Sylvanas lose.
Sylvanas and the Horde shouldn't even have a shot at winning this war, the whole thing is just asinine especially given the blatant plot armor the Horde has right now. The Alliance could have ended this war the second Sylvanas started her campaign in Kalimdor.

WHY haven't we blasted Sylvanas and the Horde to pieces with the Vindicaar? That question alone completely ruins BfA whole story because it's the glaring elephant in the room. It makes the Alliance look like !@#$ing idiots for not using it to end the war, and it makes the Horde look lame because their entire existence is straight plot armor at this point because the Alliance has the Vindicaar.

Blizzard could have at lease given a reason as to why we aren't using the Vindicaar, something! But nope, it's just ignored because reasons.
11/12/2018 09:55 AMPosted by Haruhi
How?
The comic has already shown Anduin 40yrs into the future, and he is like one final step away from total victory, could be against the Horde or could be against the Old Gods.

Probably against the Old Gods since he rather unites Azeroth than committing to a racial genocide like Sylvanas.


Here's a crazy thought.
Maybe, just maybe..........
That was an alternate timeline?
11/12/2018 12:49 PMPosted by Dardillien
Sylvanas and the Horde shouldn't even have a shot at winning this war, the whole thing is just asinine especially given the blatant plot armor the Horde has right now. The Alliance could have ended this war the second Sylvanas started her campaign in Kalimdor.

WHY haven't we blasted Sylvanas and the Horde to pieces with the Vindicaar? That question alone completely ruins BfA whole story because it's the glaring elephant in the room. It makes the Alliance look like !@#$ing idiots for not using it to end the war, and it makes the Horde look lame because their entire existence is straight plot armor at this point because the Alliance has the Vindicaar.

Blizzard could have at lease given a reason as to why we aren't using the Vindicaar, something! But nope, it's just ignored because reasons.


My best guess is the rift which brought Argus close to Azeroth is mostly gone. There is a small rift/portal that will allow a few people to go back and forth. The portal/rift is far to small to allow passage of the Vindicaar back to Azeroth.
11/12/2018 12:49 PMPosted by Dardillien
Sylvanas and the Horde shouldn't even have a shot at winning this war, the whole thing is just asinine especially given the blatant plot armor the Horde has right now. The Alliance could have ended this war the second Sylvanas started her campaign in Kalimdor.

WHY haven't we blasted Sylvanas and the Horde to pieces with the Vindicaar? That question alone completely ruins BfA whole story because it's the glaring elephant in the room. It makes the Alliance look like !@#$ing idiots for not using it to end the war, and it makes the Horde look lame because their entire existence is straight plot armor at this point because the Alliance has the Vindicaar.

Blizzard could have at lease given a reason as to why we aren't using the Vindicaar, something! But nope, it's just ignored because reasons.


My best guess is the rift which brought Argus close to Azeroth is mostly gone. There is a small rift/portal that will allow a few people to go back and forth. The portal/rift is far to small to allow passage of the vindicator back to Azeroth.


I like that explanation and would be happy if they used that because it makes sense and explains why we don't use the Vindicaar to end the war right now.

Sadly, Blizzard will just keep ignoring the issue and putting their fingers in their ears.
I know quit a few people that hate sylvanas. Especially in the Before the Storm book. And a few others. My point of view is she did what is right. For her. The forsake walking towards stromgarde, I would have done the same. No matter how you paint it. Even if they ran toward the wall where the forsaken were at, I would have no idea if they turned. "Snip the rose before it grows thorns."

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