Warglaives For Everyone

General Discussion
Well not everyone, obviously. But here we go. Way I see it you can do this in two ways.

1) Warglaives as 1H swords. The glaives of azzinoth were swords usable by rogues and warriors, and that was a good way of doing it. Illidari warglaive transmogs, of which there are only 3-4 that aren't artifacts, could be class-restricted to DH.

2) Warglaives as a weapon type usable by more classes. Possibly even hunters, but certainly warriors and rogues. Same class restriction for Illidari-specific fel-infused glaives.

It boggles the mind why a night elf warrior player character can't use a warglaive. Illidan didn't invent them, nor are illidari the only faction using them. Night elf and even darkspear troll NPCs can be seen using warglaives. Prominent characters like Vol'jin are also users, and now Tyrande in her night warrior getup. Gee, Vol'jin and Tyrande, I sure hope you multiclassed into DH, because otherwise you're not allowed to use those things.

So yes, warglaives for all users of str/agi 1H swords.
I hate warglaives. They ride too high on your back and make you look like some weird insect when you're running.
it's clearly a hunter weapons..
*Nods nods*
10/29/2018 09:46 PMPosted by Sterly
Well not everyone, obviously. But here we go. Way I see it you can do this in two ways.

1) Warglaives as 1H swords. The glaives of azzinoth were swords usable by rogues and warriors, and that was a good way of doing it. Illidari warglaive transmogs, of which there are only 3-4 that aren't artifacts, could be class-restricted to DH.

2) Warglaives as a weapon type usable by more classes. Possibly even hunters, but certainly warriors and rogues. Same class restriction for Illidari-specific fel-infused glaives.

It boggles the mind why a night elf warrior player character can't use a warglaive. Illidan didn't invent them, nor are illidari the only faction using them. Night elf and even darkspear troll NPCs can be seen using warglaives. Prominent characters like Vol'jin are also users, and now Tyrande in her night warrior getup. Gee, Vol'jin and Tyrande, I sure hope you multiclassed into DH, because otherwise you're not allowed to use those things.

So yes, warglaives for all users of str/agi 1H swords.


Please make it happen. That would be one of the few things that would make me think of subscribing again.

I leveled up 6 characters only to be able to farm the new sets and weapons from Drakshore and I was sad when I knew of the Warglaives restriction.
10/29/2018 09:54 PMPosted by Nightlighter
I leveled up 6 characters only to be able to farm the new sets and weapons from Drakshore and I was sad when I knew of the Warglaives restriction.


I just saw the Darkshore warfront warglaive model myself. A regular, fairly common Kaldorei weapon, not fel-tainted or anything, oh but it's restricted to demon hunters. Flippin' WHAT?? Have you lost your minds?

Screw every Kaldorei roleplayer who's been a sentinel or warden since vanilla I guess, right? And no, just making some clumsy workaround that gives out that one particular appearance doesn't really work. That means you'd have to do that every time there's a generic non-illidari warglaive appearance, which is going to be happening more and more often now that Legion is past us.

So why not save yourselves a whole lot of trouble and open up the Warglaive weapon type to more classes? Easy, future-proof fix. You can always go back and add DH class-restrictions to specific warglaive appearances on a case by case basis as appropriate, which in the end, I dare say, works out to be far less effort than it would be to have to create these clunky workarounds for specific warglaive appearances that may be added over the course of time.

What are you going to do for the Silvermoon warfront? Restrict a blood elf-themed glaive, with not a hint of fel on it, to demon hunters only? It's ridiculous, and you're going to create the exact same situation for yourself, where blood elf players will clamour for it to be made a more commonly available appearance. Or the Mulgore Gate warfront? You're going to face this situation every. single. time. you add a non-illidari warglaive model to the game!
The only exception to Warglaives being usable by other classes should be the Sentinel glaive.
It's ridiculous that the only unique night elf weapon that screams "night elf sentinel" is locked to a demon hunter who was exiled from elven society.
11/08/2018 01:07 PMPosted by Tinúviel
The only exception to Warglaives being usable by other classes should be the Sentinel glaive.


Not really on the darkshore sentinel glaive being the only example. What about all those zandalari and kul tiran glaives with not an illidari sigil on them? What, did the zandalari invent a weapon that sat collecting dust until belf demon hunters decided to come visit?

Imagine, if you will, the glaives they're going to create for the Silvermoon warfront. Same problem. I predict they're going to look a lot like the weapons SM city guards use, oh but regular belfs can't use those. They're illidari only. Whu?? Evidently all SM city guards are illidari. Just like all kaldorei sentinel NPCs are evidently also illidari. Wardens too. Those demon hunters sure do get around.

And as I suggested, literally every time they add generic non-illidari glaives to the game, which is going to be happening more and more often, they're going to run up against this problem of "well why can't everyone use these?" Illidari-restricted warglaives I'm all for, don't get me wrong, but in those they're more than amply covered by their artifact appearances and by the non-artifact warglaive appearances from Legion. Should warriors be able to use any of those? No, I don't believe so. But warriors should be able to use the generic non-illidari themed warglaives from BFA, be they from quests, warfronts, BoE greens, or what have you.

11/08/2018 01:07 PMPosted by Tinúviel
It's ridiculous that the only unique night elf weapon that screams "night elf sentinel" is locked to a demon hunter who was exiled from elven society.


Indeeeeeeeed. The way they're handling warglaives as a weapon type locked to one very specific class is as if illidan invented them or something, as I suggested in the original post. Needless to say, he did not, and they're a weapon used by the kaldorei, and even by darkspear trolls, since forever. Which to me suggests the weapon has more ancient origins with the common ancestors of the kaldorei and darkspear.

Please also recall that once upon a time hunters couldn't use staves, and druids couldn't use polearms. Until blorz waved a magic wand and suddenly hunters were rolling on my feral staff and I was rolling on their stat stick polearm.
11/08/2018 01:04 PMPosted by Sterly
I just saw the Darkshore warfront warglaive model myself. A regular, fairly common Kaldorei weapon, not fel-tainted or anything, oh but it's restricted to demon hunters. Flippin' WHAT?? Have you lost your minds?
Hi. Welcome to 2015. My name is Forums. What's yours?

This isn't a "new" restriction. It's been common knowledge since Legion was announced at Gamescom that year. Warglaives are restricted to Demon Hunters. Period.

11/08/2018 03:03 PMPosted by Sterly
Please also recall that once upon a time hunters couldn't use staves, and druids couldn't use polearms.
No, you don't recall a time when Hunters could not use Staves because they've been able to since VANILLA. Ever heard of Lok'delar, Stave of the Ancient Keepers? https://www.wowhead.com/item=18715/lokdelar-stave-of-the-ancient-keepers

Druids were given access to polearms in Wrath because they pretty much only had one weapon in Naxxramas before versus hunters having Polearm, the same Staff, etc.

And your analogy does not fit. There are plenty of 1H maces, 1H axes, and 1H Swords. Not to mention fist weapons and daggers to the classes that can use them too.
11/08/2018 01:04 PMPosted by Sterly
I just saw the Darkshore warfront warglaive model myself. A regular, fairly common Kaldorei weapon, not fel-tainted or anything, oh but it's restricted to demon hunters. Flippin' WHAT?? Have you lost your minds?
Hi. Welcome to 2015. My name is Forums. What's yours?

This isn't a "new" restriction. It's been common knowledge since Legion was announced at Gamescom that year. Warglaives are restricted to Demon Hunters. Period.

I think the argument is mainly that new warglaive models are being introduced, some of which have nothing to do with the Illidari in their appearances, but they're still being restricted. Nobody is claiming that the restriction itself is new.
Yeah found it odd only DHs could use em. Rogues, monks, DKs and Warriors should have options too.
And restrictions can be lifted, like magic, when the content they were intended for has been made obsolete and players have moved past it.

Use your imagination.

11/08/2018 03:57 PMPosted by Anufenrir
Yeah found it odd only DHs could use em. Rogues, monks, DKs and Warriors should have options too.


I forgot about monks, but good point.
11/08/2018 03:38 PMPosted by Julycitrie
think the argument is mainly that new warglaive models are being introduced, some of which have nothing to do with the Illidari in their appearances, but they're still being restricted. Nobody is claiming that the restriction itself is new.
Oh well. Those are the breaks. You want to use them? Roll a DH.

11/08/2018 03:57 PMPosted by Anufenrir
Yeah found it odd only DHs could use em. Rogues, monks, DKs and Warriors should have options too.
Yeah, because they simply do not have enough options those Warriors, Rogues, DKs, and Monks between Swords, Axes, Maces, Polearms, Staves, Fist Weapons and Daggers.
10/29/2018 09:51 PMPosted by Seger
it's clearly a hunter weapons..
*Nods nods*


Well it IS a weapon, which stands to reason that it ought to be a hunter weapon.
11/08/2018 05:01 PMPosted by Jandrenna
10/29/2018 09:51 PMPosted by Seger
it's clearly a hunter weapons..
*Nods nods*


Well it IS a weapon, which stands to reason that it ought to be a hunter weapon.


Really the only argument you need, in the end.
Keep warglaives as DH only.

But add in weapons like the Sentinel glaive as Thrown Weapons, and bring that category back. Add in a ranged DPS spec for Warriors, Rogues, and DHs. Maybe make it available for Hunters. This will open up more options for these classes and fulfill the class fantasy for Spellbreakers and Sentinels.
So it's official. Blizzard is having a contest to give people Warglaives.

All you have to do is call Blizzard's head office and say "Warglaives" in your best Professor Frink voice and you'll be automatically entered into the contest.

Actually... it's not official. I just really like the idea of thousands of people calling Blizzard's head office and saying "Warglaives" in a Professor Frink voice.

"Warglaives, with the war and the glaiving and the 'oy it hurts, nice lady'."
10/29/2018 09:46 PMPosted by Sterly
Warglaives as 1H swords.


10/29/2018 09:46 PMPosted by Sterly
Warglaives as a weapon type usable by more classes.

10/29/2018 09:46 PMPosted by Sterly
Possibly even hunters


No, no, and NO. Warglaives are the most unrealistic weapon in game, in any universe. There is a reason there are NO real weapons like them - it doesn't work.

The last thing I want to see is everyone running around with them. Keep it restricted.
11/08/2018 05:23 PMPosted by Jamalia
10/29/2018 09:46 PMPosted by Sterly
Warglaives as 1H swords.


10/29/2018 09:46 PMPosted by Sterly
Warglaives as a weapon type usable by more classes.

10/29/2018 09:46 PMPosted by Sterly
Possibly even hunters


No, no, and NO. Warglaives are the most unrealistic weapon in game, in any universe. There is a reason there are NO real weapons like them - it doesn't work.

The last thing I want to see is everyone running around with them. Keep it restricted.


No, the least realistic weapon in the game are wands. Warglaives may not be the most biomechanically efficient, but at least they don’t shatter the laws of reality by their base mechanics. Even the bouncing glaives in things like glaive throw are more realistic than wands.
The Azzinoth appearance should at least be added to the 1h-sword tab. Since you know, they were originally swords? And Warriors, Rogues, and Monks could use them long before playable Demon Hunters even existed.
11/08/2018 09:31 PMPosted by Momonohime
The Azzinoth appearance should at least be added to the 1h-sword tab. Since you know, they were originally swords? And Warriors, Rogues, and Monks could use them long before playable Demon Hunters even existed.


No Classic Legendaries can be transmogged at all except the Warglaives by DH who have them and kill Timewalking Illidan. Sulfuras isn’t in the 2h Mace transmog, Thunderfury isn’t a 1h Sword...

Don’t worry, though. Just go ahead and use he ones you have now. No Transmog needed. You’ll kill things in the overworld just as fast.

Literally, I got my second Warglaive on this character last week and there is no difference in how fast you kill things with an iLevel 90 weapon and an iLevel 340 one.

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