Sylvanas and Xal'atath

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11/05/2018 11:47 AMPosted by Withpuppys
during blizzcon they simply said that sylvanas had "evil plans" and that the alliance heroes were going to try and stop it, they didn't really say much about perspectives


To be fair it was the Diablo 3 Senior Dev who mentioned perspectives in regards to Sylvanas and tried to spin her off as Good.

That Dev wasn't even working on WoW(and later left Blizzard) so what would he know about Sylvanas!?!

The WoW Devs say Sylvanas is Evil(Alliance Faction's Moral Greyness in 8.1 and Sylvanas's blaming the War on Genn Greymane's Warmongering and Anduin's blaming the war on Sylvanas burning Teldrassil) which is all that matters! What the Diablo 3 Devs say is irrelevant!
11/05/2018 01:33 PMPosted by Yvenathilm
What the Diablo 3 Devs say is irrelevant!

To play Devil's advocate.

He may know the end of BFA for all we know. Just because he works on Diablo doesn't mean hes not privy to knowledge on Wow.
11/02/2018 04:38 PMPosted by Bronnix
Well since the dagger is empty since the spirit is freed from it what does Sylvanas want with it?


the blade can hold/capture an old god.
11/05/2018 01:40 PMPosted by Bronnix
He may know the end of BFA for all we know. Just because he works on Diablo doesn't mean hes not privy to knowledge on Wow.


Sylvanas has already done evil things so the WoW Devs' assessment on Sylvanas's evilness is already more accurate than the Diablo Dev's assessment of Sylvanas based on what he knows.
And they just officially called her evil
11/05/2018 02:30 PMPosted by Ningjinq
And they just officially called her evil
that too
Only problem I have with them saying she has evil plans is that it sort of takes the debate out of all her recent actions.

“Was Burning Teldrassil the right move?”

Well, the answer to that clearly now is “was just some part of an evil plan”.
11/05/2018 02:52 PMPosted by Ningjinq
Only problem I have with them saying she has evil plans is that it sort of takes the debate out of all her recent actions.

“Was Burning Teldrassil the right move?”

Well, the answer to that clearly now is “was just some part of an evil plan”.


It's an evil plan but is it pragmatically the right move that would aid the true enemy in his(as his demand that Vol'jin be silenced in 8.1 at the Broken Shore indicates) grand schemes? We'll see how his diabolical plan pans out...

If the plan isn't the right move than the true enemy will get an entry in TV Tropes' What an Idiot! page.
11/05/2018 12:27 PMPosted by Nathreim
11/05/2018 11:31 AMPosted by Alurna
There's nothing of the sort in the quest.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/The_Zealot_Rises

The closest line to what you're suggesting is, "Death can bring a silent peace to the soul, but not for Sally Whitemane. Her death is one of regret and unrest."


https://wow.gamepedia.com/The_Scarlet_Assault

"Death has a way of quelling the madness of the mind... I am sure she will serve the Ebon Blade without compromise."


Thank you for finding the source. That said it's not much evidence to suggest the undead are immune or even resistant to the Old Gods/Void.
11/05/2018 08:41 PMPosted by Alurna
Thank you for finding the source. That said it's not much evidence to suggest the undead are immune or even resistant to the Old Gods/Void.


Old Gods cant drive them to insanity which is how they create and control their followers. Its how they got Deathwing, Cho'gal, the Pale Orcs, Twilights Hammer and most everyone else.

Couple that with NPC undead (Scourge and non Scourge) having immunity to fear and mind control and it becomes clear they are very resistant in not immune to powers of the mind.

Now can an old god pump an undead full of void and make tentacles pop out? Maybe Im not sure how that would work with their biology (or lack thereof).
11/05/2018 08:53 PMPosted by Nathreim
11/05/2018 08:41 PMPosted by Alurna
Thank you for finding the source. That said it's not much evidence to suggest the undead are immune or even resistant to the Old Gods/Void.


Old Gods cant drive them to insanity which is how they create and control their followers. Its how they got Deathwing, Cho'gal, the Pale Orcs, Twilights Hammer and most everyone else.
i dont know, we have seen undead in the twilight's hammer before
11/05/2018 08:55 PMPosted by Withpuppys
i dont know, we have seen undead in the twilight's hammer before


Doesn't mean the Old Gods drove them to madness.

They joined willingly we have seen Old God followers who were not insane before (Benedictus). They probably want the power that comes with it many Forsaken worship the shadow and could see the Old Gods as a logical choice for them.

As the old joke says "you dont have to be crazy to work here but it helps".
or she could be using the empty dagger to seal nzoth
She'll put my knaifu down if she knows whats good for her.
Left-of-field option probably not going to happen:

We learn that the only way to defeat N'Zoth is to imprison him in the blade, but the catch is that the person who does it (a) must be powerful enough to pull it off, (b) undead because no living thing can do it and (c) will die in the process.

Maybe, if the Forsaken were sufficiently threatened, it may push Sylvanas to do it on the basis that she still has three val'kyr to raise her. Only, at some point at the end, one of the val'kyr is killed so she cannot be raised again... but she sacrifices herself anyway.

It would seem rather 'out there' considering many believe she only cares about herself and her other behaviour but... that would be the point. Shock! WTF?! Maybe she actually does care about the Forsaken. Maybe this would be the moment where, like the old Legion promo content said, "Sylvanas must decide how far she'll go to protect her people... and whether they're more precious to her than her soul." (Although that is most probably just an abandoned story thread from Legion.)

Maybe even after that Anduin, of all people, takes her to be raised again by Saa'ra?

That would be an amusing turn of events.
11/05/2018 11:42 PMPosted by Vale
We learn that the only way to defeat N'Zoth is to imprison him in the blade, but the catch is that the person who does it (a) must be powerful enough to pull it off, (b) undead because no living thing can do it and (c) will die in the process.

Maybe, if the Forsaken were sufficiently threatened, it may push Sylvanas to do it on the basis that she still has three val'kyr to raise her. Only, at some point at the end, one of the val'kyr is killed so she cannot be raised again... but she sacrifices herself anyway.

It would seem rather 'out there' considering many believe she only cares about herself and her other behaviour but... that would be the point. Shock! WTF?! Maybe she actually does care about the Forsaken. Maybe this would be the moment where, like the old Legion promo content said, "Sylvanas must decide how far she'll go to protect her people... and whether they're more precious to her than her soul." (Although that is most probably just an abandoned story thread from Legion.)


Better than Garrosh or SoO 2.0.

Shes not really redeemed but she does something good for her people and the Horde.

Though I still think that she should be rezed just not from a Naaru I dont trust them anymore and light forsaken are lame. A'dal is still cool though he doesn't seem to be a zealot like some others.

Another way to do it is make it seem like she has no way out and she thinks she will die but stays anyway. Then she manages an escape after sealing N'zoth leaving the dagger lost and buried.
Is that actually Xal'atath? It's the same shape but different skin. Where is it said the dagger is the same dagger?
11/06/2018 06:31 PMPosted by Kisin
Is that actually Xal'atath? It's the same shape but different skin. Where is it said the dagger is the same dagger?

They didn't name it but he specifically pointed out "Sylvanas is holding something you might recognize" at the panel.
11/05/2018 02:52 PMPosted by Ningjinq
Only problem I have with them saying she has evil plans is that it sort of takes the debate out of all her recent actions.
Okay but does the plan become evil only because Old Gods may now be involved? Was the whole "Hey let's just murder all of Stormwind and make them zombies" plan okay? Because the Horde seemed pretty cool with the idea before.
11/05/2018 11:59 PMPosted by Bronnix
Shes not really redeemed but she does something good for her people and the Horde.


It would also be a nice return to the abandoned character arc from Legion that I will never not be salty over.

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