Are the cinematics even canon?

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It would appear most things are canon until they are inconvenient. Until work or thought has to be put into the story.

If a moment of thought has to be used to work around a cinematic...the cinematics are wrong.
11/10/2018 10:35 AMPosted by Treng
3: Saurfang knows Jaina can dispell the Blight


is this ever confirmed? he goes MIA right after he says save the Horde troops. Nothing is known about his location past that.
11/10/2018 02:55 PMPosted by Arazlok
11/10/2018 10:35 AMPosted by Treng
3: Saurfang knows Jaina can dispell the Blight


is this ever confirmed? he goes MIA right after he says save the Horde troops. Nothing is known about his location past that.
Yes, he clearly missed the giant flying airship surrounded by stormclouds with its massive magical cannons firing at a wall.
11/10/2018 05:30 PMPosted by Treng
11/10/2018 02:55 PMPosted by Arazlok
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is this ever confirmed? he goes MIA right after he says save the Horde troops. Nothing is known about his location past that.
Yes, he clearly missed the giant flying airship surrounded by stormclouds with its massive magical cannons firing at a wall.


If he was in UC discovering the truth about Sylvanas' plan to blow it up, he never would have seen the ship since he was underground.

We don't know where Varok was thus we can't say for certain he saw the ship.
11/10/2018 05:44 PMPosted by Arazlok
<span class="truncated">...</span>Yes, he clearly missed the giant flying airship surrounded by stormclouds with its massive magical cannons firing at a wall.


If he was in UC discovering the truth about Sylvanas' plan to blow it up, he never would have seen the ship since he was underground.

We don't know where Varok was thus we can't say for certain he saw the ship.
He already knew her plans, dude. He was protecting the goblins setting up the blight bombs at the very beginning of the event.

We all knew her plans.
11/10/2018 05:52 PMPosted by Treng
He already knew her plans, dude. He was protecting the goblins setting up the blight bombs at the very beginning of the event.


?? When does this happen? Cause I clearly remember him just trying to rescue the people still in UC claiming it was unsafe. Where is it ever mentioned he was with goblins setting up the bombs?

Just re watched the beginning of the scenario and the only information that was given is Varok's mission was to evacuate UC. At the start he clearly states they're evacuating because Alliance spies has mad their way through and UC is unsafe.

11/10/2018 05:52 PMPosted by Treng
We all knew her plans.


This is clearly false as Baine doesn't know the plan.
?? When does this happen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC5MPeK0xgQ
Saurfang isn't even in Lordaeron before you are. Which proves the BFL cinematic isn't canon.

But more importantly, you get down there and Goblins are setting up blight bombs.
Where is it ever mentioned he was with goblins setting up the bombs?
Explore when you're down there. You can see them doing it.

11/10/2018 06:00 PMPosted by Arazlok
This is clearly false as Baine doesn't know the plan.
I said we, as in everyone with Saurfang down in the pit.
11/06/2018 11:16 AMPosted by Darethy
11/06/2018 10:53 AMPosted by Darethy
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So wait, the argument now is that the ENTIRE SEQUENCE THAT STARTS BFA just....never happened? the cinematic is completely non-canonical?

Cause if that's the case, a whole lotta threads are going to need reframing.


11/06/2018 10:55 AMPosted by Treng
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSJr3dXZfcg

What parts of this match up with what you experienced?


11/06/2018 10:58 AMPosted by Darethy
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None of them, but we were also inside the city for fairly large portion of the battle and that cinematic either transpires at some point during the battle, or Blizzard needs to put up giant disclaimer on this trailer that goes "HEY YOU KNOW THIS THING? IT NEVER HAPPENED." if we can't even trust the intro cinematic to be a true event, can we trust literally anything?


How can the cinematics be canon if our eyes aren't canon?

But seriously, this is where we're at now. If we cannot even agree on WHAT WE SEE being canon or not, how can we agree on anything because at THAT point we're operating in two different realities, not over just one questline, but the entire story itself.


So tandred is not cannon, dammit i was hoping he was and the next cinamatic would have medan
11/10/2018 11:54 PMPosted by Chåoslord
11/06/2018 11:16 AMPosted by Darethy
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How can the cinematics be canon if our eyes aren't canon?

But seriously, this is where we're at now. If we cannot even agree on WHAT WE SEE being canon or not, how can we agree on anything because at THAT point we're operating in two different realities, not over just one questline, but the entire story itself.


So tandred is not cannon, dammit i was hoping he was and the next cinamatic would have medan
How the hell did you make that jump? We're talking about the cinematics at the start of the expansions. Tandred literally appears physically in game, of course he's canon.

Also Med'an is one of the few things that could make BfA's story substantially worse.
11/11/2018 11:00 AMPosted by Grandblade
Also Med'an is one of the few things that could make BfA's story substantially worse.

I dunno, if it turns out he's actually the evil mastermind behind everything and both sides band together to kill him ... there's a raid scenario we could all get onboard with!
11/11/2018 01:33 PMPosted by Pellex
I dunno, if it turns out he's actually the evil mastermind behind everything and both sides band together to kill him ... there's a raid scenario we could all get onboard with!
Okay, this is the only context I'm okay with Med'an showing up. Boy's backstory reads like a bad TRP...
11/10/2018 08:56 PMPosted by Treng
?? When does this happen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC5MPeK0xgQ
Saurfang isn't even in Lordaeron before you are. Which proves the BFL cinematic isn't canon.

But more importantly, you get down there and Goblins are setting up blight bombs.
Where is it ever mentioned he was with goblins setting up the bombs?
Explore when you're down there. You can see them doing it.

11/10/2018 06:00 PMPosted by Arazlok
This is clearly false as Baine doesn't know the plan.
I said we, as in everyone with Saurfang down in the pit.
Wouldn't Saurfang not being present make Old Soldier non-canon as well?
11/11/2018 02:37 PMPosted by Mellee
Wouldn't Saurfang not being present make Old Soldier non-canon as well?
Touche', salesman.
10/10 pre-patch continuity.
11/11/2018 11:00 AMPosted by Grandblade
11/10/2018 11:54 PMPosted by Chåoslord
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So tandred is not cannon, dammit i was hoping he was and the next cinamatic would have medan
How the hell did you make that jump? We're talking about the cinematics at the start of the expansions. Tandred literally appears physically in game, of course he's canon.

Also Med'an is one of the few things that could make BfA's story substantially worse.


What are you talking about?

Of COURSE Tandred's not canon.

He's a sailor.
11/10/2018 08:56 PMPosted by Treng
?? When does this happen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC5MPeK0xgQ
Saurfang isn't even in Lordaeron before you are. Which proves the BFL cinematic isn't canon.

But more importantly, you get down there and Goblins are setting up blight bombs.


Being the quest giver doesn't prove anything, especially when we don't have a time scale for how long it took to organize our group of heroes. Surfang could have easily went ahead while we were getting ready, plus Surfang already has an assessment of the situation when we arrive, meaning he's been there some amount of time before us.

Saurfang states he hoped Anduin would win. At which point before Saurfang knocked him down did the Alliance give him the thought that their military was superior?


About a couple hours earlier just before sunrise, back when he was contemplating suicide by challenging the whole Alliance Army to a duel. Zekhan came to him and asks how many Alliance he thinks there are and Surfang's response is too many. There is some double entendre giving Surfang's mental state and that he's thinking about Teldrassil when answering, but its still the answer he gives, implying the Alliance has both the numbers and motivation to win.

This is also the set up for the Battle for Lorderon we've been given, the Horde doesn't have time to redeploy the whole army to Lorderon after the War of Thorns, leaving the Horde badly outnumbered.

As I've said before assuming Genn came without a plan to counter the Blight makes little sense. A veteran commander like Surfang wouldn't hinge his plans on the enemy making a blatant mistake.
11/06/2018 11:21 AMPosted by Sulai
The intro cinematic takes place prior to the Siege of Lordaeron scenario. They presumably clash again, more fighting is done, and then Sylvanas orders Saurfang back behind the wall to prepare for unleashing the Azerite-powered tank.

They were fighting before the player characters arrive and there's a lull as the Horde player evacuates the rest of the civilians and as the Alliance player rallies with Anduin and Greymane.

The tides of battle ebb and flow.


You have the eyes of one who has seen much! I believe that the cinematic takes place prior to the players arriving on the scene.

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