Players are N'raqi

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From the Puzzle Box of Yogg-Saron:

Puzzle Box of Yogg-Saron whispers: In the land of Ny'alotha there is only sleep.
Puzzle Box of Yogg-Saron whispers: You resist. You cling to your life as if it actually matters. You will learn.
Puzzle Box of Yogg-Saron whispers: There is no sharp distinction between the real and the unreal.
Puzzle Box of Yogg-Saron whispers: Do you dream while you sleep or is it an escape from the horrors of reality?
Puzzle Box of Yogg-Saron whispers: You will all be alone in the end.

From the Abyssal Corrupters in Stormsong Valley:

Abyssal Corruptor says: I sleep... only to wake...
Abyssal Corruptor says: In the end... you will know the truth...
Abyssal Corruptor says: Your soul will know only hunger.

And finally from the Last Boss of Shrine of the Storm:

Vol'zith the Whisperer whispers: I will await you... in the dark...

All this implies that the Players are Faceless Dreamers(sleeping in Ny'alotha) sent by N'Zoth to infiltrate the Alliance and Horde after he gained access to the Emerald Dream thanks to Staghelm grafting a branch of Xavius to Teldrassil(since the Players first started adventuring after that event).

With Yogg-Saron stating that we will all be alone in the end it's clear that we will retain our loyalties to the Alliance and Horde even when we wake up and since Faceless can shape shift...

Those 2 Alliance members that turned into Faceless Ones in Cataclysm? Were N'raqi to begin with. The Tidesages that turned into K'thir? Also N'raqi to begin with.
... why do people keep putting stock in the ramblings of WoW's most defeated villain set?

The Old Gods are not your friends. They have nothing to offer you but madness, suffering, and consumption. Their oh-so-dramatic gibbering serves only as a distraction, and any sense of "invulnerability" radiating from them or their screw up minions is drawn only from persistent moving of the goal posts.

Which never works out for them anyways.

The Old Gods have had literally forever to do anything relevant, had the means and minions to free themselves since forever, and have continually done nothing but suck, fail, and and come as close to dying as their plot armor allows.

When the Old Gods speak, don't take it as some unfathomable horror unleashing abominable truths doomed and fated to be. Take it as a wrinkly old man, declaring he invented the question mark in a desperate bid for attention.
11/12/2018 03:49 PMPosted by Valynx
... why do people keep putting stock in the ramblings of WoW's most defeated villain set?

The Old Gods are not your friends. They have nothing to offer you but madness, suffering, and consumption. Their oh-so-dramatic gibbering serves only as a distraction, and any sense of "invulnerability" radiating from them or their screw up minions is drawn only from persistent moving of the goal posts.

Which never works out for them anyways.

The Old Gods have had literally forever to do anything relevant, had the means and minions to free themselves since forever, and have continually done nothing but suck, fail, and and come as close to dying as their plot armor allows.

When the Old Gods speak, don't take it as some unfathomable horror unleashing abominable truths doomed and fated to be. Take it as a wrinkly old man, declaring he invented the question mark in a desperate bid for attention.


They see all realities and all truths at once. There is no difference to them. Nothing they say is ever a lie, it just might not have happened in your reality, but it still happened.

So most of the time you could treat them that way and all would be fine. but we keep getting closer to the void and the only way to prepare for that is to decipher the ramblings.

They have all the answers we need, its just they wrote it all down in a giant book and ran that through a shredder and pick up pieces one by ones and read us lines from the book.
i'd love to wake up and find bfa was a dream.

at least if it was a dream, it wouldn't be such a god damned bad joke.
Time to set up the cultist robe stand.
*pulls out radio*
Lord N'zoth we have a code red, some of the spies you planted are beginning to become self aware.
Our lords and saviors the old gods are laughing at you right now lol.
11/12/2018 04:21 PMPosted by Älexandra
i'd love to wake up and find bfa was a dream.

at least if it was a dream, it wouldn't be such a god damned bad joke.


BfA a Dream?... The Players are the Dreamers whose Dream form breached into reality while their true body sleeps safely within Ny'alotha!

Basically Blizzard is going for The Shadow over Innsmouth's plot where the main character discovered he was a Deep One. Of course instead of being simply transformed Faceless we are the Dream Form of Faceless Ones!

Of course just because Players and Tidesages are Faceless that doesn't mean everyone on Azeroth is. The fact that the players only surfaced after Teldrassil had Xavius's branch grafted on it shows that Staghelm, Tyrande, Anduin, Malfurion and others are legitimately who they think they are.

Have you ever had a dream you thought was reality only to find that it wasn't? Lachlan MacGraff must have had a dream of a Son named Grundy MacGraff and when N'Zoth dumped the Beast Unleashed into the house with the form and memories of that son he believed the dream was reality.

11/12/2018 03:54 PMPosted by Minusthemonk
They see all realities and all truths at once. There is no difference to them. Nothing they say is ever a lie, it just might not have happened in your reality, but it still happened.


They see all realities in the Emerald Dream and Nightmare you mean! They make no distinction between the natives of the Great Dark Beyond and the Emerald Dream since both can travel between both realms thus making both real.

11/12/2018 03:54 PMPosted by Minusthemonk
So most of the time you could treat them that way and all would be fine. but we keep getting closer to the void and the only way to prepare for that is to decipher the ramblings.


It will be most interesting when N'Zoth just reveals our Player Characters' true nature in the Crucible of Storms. N'Zoth is going to learn the hard way that the Sleeper Agent plan is a terrible idea and is going to get him killed!
you are trolling, attempting to trigger people who may suffer from mental instability or illness, and I don't appreciate it.
Seriously, this thread was a lot deeper than I thought it would be....

All hail our new void overlords! lol
Does this play when the reveal happens? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrQtsLVa504

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