How is saurfang a traitor?

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How is saurfang being an alliance conspirator lmfao? He wanted to do that !@#$ from the very begining, fact is he got captured. All anduin did was leave the door open for him to leave bro. There was no agreement, no negotiation, no nothing. He is doing what he wanted to do. Topple sylvanas and bring the horde back to its roots, before he was conflicted with his loyalty to the warchief and duty as a horde member, which is why he stayed behind to fight the alliance and die an honorable death. Anduin didnt give him that and locked him up. All this does is show that their goals kinda align, which we knew from the start. Doesnt make him a conspirator or a traitor or whatever.
He's not a traitor. He's a loyalist, in fact, to the spirit of the original Horde.
He's basically a plant from the boi king by now, let loose to destabilize the Horde. How is he not traitorous? He's a rebel backed by a foreign power. Sounds like treason.
If he wanted to do that from the beginning, he should have. Now, among other things, he has to answer for all the deaths (on both sides) because he hesitated.

Yes, it is a sorry state for the Horde when Saurfang's "best" plan was hoping the Alliance would kill the current warchief in battle.
11/02/2018 05:37 PMPosted by Zanthrak
He's not a traitor. He's a loyalist, in fact, to the spirit of the original Horde.


Was this the horde that tried to kill half the races under their banner?
11/02/2018 05:39 PMPosted by Reeven
He's basically a plant from the boi king by now, let loose to destabilize the Horde. How is he not traitorous? He's a rebel backed by a foreign power. Sounds like treason.
Except... he's not backed by a foreign power. Nor is he there to destabilize the Horde, he's there to take down Sylvanas. Literally all Anduin did was release him. The Alliance isn't supporting him in any way, they're just letting him do his thing free of Alliance involvement.

He's not an Alliance conspirator, because there was no form of conspiring.
11/02/2018 05:41 PMPosted by Grandblade
11/02/2018 05:39 PMPosted by Reeven
He's basically a plant from the boi king by now, let loose to destabilize the Horde. How is he not traitorous? He's a rebel backed by a foreign power. Sounds like treason.
Except... he's not backed by a foreign power. Nor is he there to destabilize the Horde, he's there to take down Sylvanas. Literally all Anduin did was release him. The Alliance isn't supporting him in any way, they're just letting him do his thing free of Alliance involvement.

He's not an Alliance conspirator, because there was no form of conspiring.
"Unofficially", of course.
11/02/2018 05:41 PMPosted by Grandblade
11/02/2018 05:39 PMPosted by Reeven
He's basically a plant from the boi king by now, let loose to destabilize the Horde. How is he not traitorous? He's a rebel backed by a foreign power. Sounds like treason.
Except... he's not backed by a foreign power. Nor is he there to destabilize the Horde, he's there to take down Sylvanas. Literally all Anduin did was release him. The Alliance isn't supporting him in any way, they're just letting him do his thing free of Alliance involvement.

He's not an Alliance conspirator, because there was no form of conspiring.


That's not even remotely true - Saurfang's not going to just walk out of Stormwind without arrangements being made for him.
He disobeys Sylvanas and runs off himself to die at Lordaeron.

Instead of dying as intended, he is captured and imprisoned.

He then, unknowingly or otherwise, strikes some form of deal with Anduin and perhaps even Shaw as well that results in his escape from the Stockades. Anduin clearly lets him go freely out of Stormwind, apparently on the assumption that Varok is supported or supporting the Alliance's efforts to combat/thwart Sylvanas' plans/goals.

The above also ties in to another factor: To do this Varok will have to use his inside, plentiful knowledge of Horde tactics against the Horde, and this means using them to aid the Alliance as they aim to out-maneuver the Horde. This can happen one of two ways: Varok directly aids, or indirectly aids the Alliance. What I mean is this: Varok moves against Sylvanas and the Alliance silently follow, or Varok tips off the Alliance and both move against Sylvanas.

The above is going to happen either way, one way or the other. Varok is a puppet of the Alliance now, and he will not likely out-maneuver SI:7.

He also slays the guards sent after him and it's labeled as an assassination attempt on his life. As far as I recall, he was ordered to lay down his arms and come peacefully. He refuses his Warchief once again, solidifying the fact he is detaching himself from the Horde for personal ambition (That being to go Vol'jin 2.0 and "retake the Horde for Honor's sake".)

Need further explanation? Because there is indeed more...
He's Anduin's puppet- and worst of all it's not like he was brainwashed, he willingly went Alliance.

He's a traitor, he turned his back on his own people because he believes in a pure, original Horde- much like Garrosh did.

Once instilled as Anduin's puppet warchief, expect to see the less desirable races strung up or impaled on pikes- starting with the forsaken of course, but don't think goblins and blood elves won't soon follow.

It will be glorious, the victory of the Alliance comes.
Anduin is gonna use him to create a fracture in the horde, and when the horde is divided, Anduin will move in and crush both sides.
When a PoW gets released and they instead of returning to get debriefed, run away to a foreign nation and then kill members of the recovery team sent to find them, they are by definition a traitor. Mostly for the team killing.

If he wasn't a traitor he would have come back to Org and either challenged the rotting !@#$% for the right to rule, or stepped down and retired.

Yes its dumb the "recovery team" was instructed to murder him if he disobeyed. Like colossally stupid. But considering he rejected rescue by horde loyalist like Rokahn already, probably tipped Sylv off that he wasn't going to come back by choice.
Don't forget how he let the walking, talking one man nuclear weapon named Malfurian live and escape so he could come back and slaughter more Horde. Including Saurfang's own people.
Lets see what he does.
1. allows boy king to live when he could kill him.
2. allows druid to live when order to kill him.
3. worked toward the goal of having foreign power remove current war chief. To benefit him.
4. Leaves prison to further his goals. Knowing he has the support of forgeing powers.
4. gets people to side with him because he does not like current war chief. But stays loyal with hellscreem and things he did.
5. Treason is the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

I can go on if you like. There like about 45 things he has done.
11/02/2018 05:48 PMPosted by Zirà
When a PoW gets released and they instead of returning to get debriefed, run away to a foreign nation and then kill members of the recovery team sent to find them, they are by definition a traitor. Mostly for the team killing.

If he wasn't a traitor he would have come back to Org and either challenged the rotting !@#$% for the right to rule, or stepped down and retired.

Yes its dumb the "recovery team" was instructed to murder him if he disobeyed. Like colossally stupid. But considering he rejected rescue by horde loyalist like Rokahn already, probably tipped Sylv off that he wasn't going to come back by choice.
Killing him isn't even stupid. He's a security threat to the Horde, and by refusing to come willingly, already declared his intent to betray the Horde.
Saurfang is the hero the Horde needs. Only through his honor and strength will we be able to depose the Lich Queen. I only regret that I have to wait an entire patch to pledge my services to his banner.

For the Horde!
It depends if they canon the old lore or actually start using it.

The reason he'd be labeled a traitor is if they actually started using lore (from the start of BFA though) easily because the alliance never once tried to fix their ancestors issues. During BFA though...... It's extremely hard to tell but he's a traitor because the horde could use him but he's siding with the alliance and no lore is really used to justify either side atm.

The reason BFA is bad in this regard is primarily because they could have easily used all the lore available to make the game sound but instead we got something like this, something that you can't even explain porperly and you just hope they don't go through another 'to be expected' situation like 'who burned teldrasil, stay tuned' and turns out we where all right >.>
God I can't wait for Sylvanas to be revealed to be in the right and makes everyone else look like fools
I'm tired at this point, between Sylvanas and Anduin/Saurfang I just want a third faction now where the only thing we do is plant some flowers or stuff like that.
He's not really Sylvanas only got put in charge of the horde due to old gods controlling voljin near death.

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