Can we give the Hyperbole a break for a bit?

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Or...
It could be the worst expansion so far to some, and really not that bad at all to others, depending on the individual player and what is important to them versus what is important to others.
10/16/2018 12:55 PMPosted by Brocknor
10/16/2018 12:47 PMPosted by Zaraela
If BFA manages to not release a major content patch for OVER A YEAR


I would much rather have NOTHING... than the "something" that was RNG upon RNG upon RNG upon RNG upon RNG that was Legion.

During the empty time of WoD, I played HotS, Diablo, SC, OW. Did a bunch of other side-project stuff in WoW, too. It was fine by me.

Legion, however, PURPOSEFULLY walled me off behind an RNG mountain.

I'm sorry, but that's worse than a content drought. Legion is the worst expansion, not WoD.

Well, obviously this is all subjective because Legion is my favorite expansion. Most fun I've had in this game since Wrath. Don't really care about RNG. I got everything I needed eventually because I play the game regularly with only small breaks.
BfA suffers most from following Legion. Legion introduced a ton of new systems, and most of them worked really well. Heck, even Legendaries were still pretty cool overall, especially towards the end when you could work towards them in a reliable fashion.

BfA somehow managed to make every system Legion introduced worse.

Class Halls > War Campaign
Integral Mission Table > Useless Mission Table
Bodyguards > Useless Followers
Artifact Weapon > Azerite Gear
PvP WQs > No PvP WQs
Etc etc...

The sad thing is that most of the changes were bad kneejerk reactions to whiny folks in Legion.

Artifacts were fairly amazing, but people whined about the grind.

Leggos were a really cool idea, but people whined about the RNG.

I truly think Blizzard tried to "fix" the things as best they could, and just so happened to make the worst choice to do so in almost every instance. Odd.
10/16/2018 12:19 PMPosted by Snowfox
The people who want to claim BfA is utterly unplayable 0-star broken.. don't want to listen to reason. They want to be upset and hyperbolic.

Telling them not to be is telling them to stop spinning their chicken little narratives.

Of course they won't want to. They want the opposite.


It's actually kind of strange to me, the view you've expressed and everyone that +1'd your post...

You can have an over-abundance of empathy and even fanaticism for Blizz and BFA, but you can't relate to players who hate this expansion because they're being punished through ineptitude and negligence for maining the class they'd want...

I feel for Prot Warrior mains. I feel for Shadow Priest mains. I have friends that want to play these specs, but doing so eliminates them from consideration of content we attempt because conceptually/realistically these specs can't perform in those environments.

So they've had to pick and grind and gear and build up a "viable" second choice to play with friends in more difficult levels of m+ and raids.

You could use a bit of player-based empathy, then you'd realize that to players like these (my friends), this is a garbage expansion especially when they did things like Mage Towers in Legion to prepare for a cool BFA experience for their first choice class/spec, only to be forced to reroll to something else or don't participate in the content of their choice. That's an F'd up thing to do to your players.
BFA is much, much worse than Mass Effect 3. BFA is Mass Effect: Andromeda bad.
World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth... it's not that bad! Don't miss the ... um... well, I'm sure there's something in there you'll find tolerable.
10/16/2018 01:27 PMPosted by Streeturchin
BFA is much, much worse than Mass Effect 3. BFA is Mass Effect: Andromeda bad.


I wouldn't say that. Mass Effect: Andromeda was at least laughably bad, Battle for Azeroth is just depressingly bad.
BFA really isn't that bad.
Okay so there seems to be a comminications break down somewhere, either you all don't know what Hyperbole means... Or you think I don't.

Look I'm not talking about people with valid criticism, I'm talking about the people who use things like "garbage fire" "Worst Ever" etc etc. You can display displeasure, and give critism without resorting to Hyoerbole...

Essentially don't sound like the 30 something middle aged white woman at Walmart throwing a hissy fit in the return line.

Try to give your critism like a level headed adult, point out what is bothering you, explain it. There's no need to over react insult people/devs etc. Just breath and be a level headed adult.

Yeesh.
10/16/2018 01:50 PMPosted by Leshe
Okay so there seems to be a comminications break down somewhere, either you all don't know what Hyperbole means... Or you think I don't.

Look I'm not talking about people with valid criticism, I'm talking about the people who use things like "garbage fire" "Worst Ever" etc etc. You can display displeasure, and give critism without resorting to Hyoerbole...

Essentially don't sound like the 30 something middle aged white woman at Walmart throwing a hissy fit in the return line.

Try to give your critism like a level headed adult, point out what is bothering you, explain it. There's no need to over react insult people/devs etc. Just breath and be a level headed adult.

Yeesh.


I can see you're new here.

We have given feedback like adults, this isn't some fantastically brand new concept to us. The only thing that happened was Blizz going in the direct opposite direction of the feedback they got from us. Time and again. Since Beta. Are you aware many of the prominent players of the class discords, including the leaders and owners themselves, have given detailed feedback about the problems their specific classes are facing in BFA and have offered legitimate solutions to those problems, after they've ran the math on those suggestions? Are you aware most of them aren't even bothering anymore, since nothing has changed about Blizz' direction since Beta began?

I personally know the HowToPriest guys have bent over backwards to do Blizz' job for them and well... We see how that's working out for Spriests. These are the guys that rely on a custom-made "Simulationcraft" for Spriests only, they developed in their free time, because they wanted more in depth analysis of Spriest sims. Yeah.

And if you claim those players don't know what they are talking about, they are far more informed and politely passionate than either you or me.

It tends to give one the notion of "At this point, why bother?"

The many of us that have been disregarded time and again, I'm sure to new comers like yourself, appear to be as you describe. What this actually means though, is you just haven't been around long enough.
10/16/2018 12:19 PMPosted by Snowfox
The people who want to claim BfA is utterly unplayable 0-star broken.. don't want to listen to reason. They want to be upset and hyperbolic.

Telling them not to be is telling them to stop spinning their chicken little narratives.

Of course they won't want to. They want the opposite.


Things we can count on: death, taxes and Snowfox playing kiss-!@# to Blizzard
People were saying BFA was worst than WOD only one week after the launch.
It all smells like sabotage to me.
10/16/2018 06:20 AMPosted by Leshe
So here's the deal folks. BFA isn't "that" bad, but the way you guys are acting you'd think it was the original ending to Mass Effect 3.

So yes Azerite Gear, and the way it was implemented in the game is pretty crappy, no arguments here it is, in fact just bad at the moment.

And yes reforging is a pain in the butt over priced gold sink (or what ever we are caling it.) And scrapping has killed the helpfulness and sharing of unwanted gear the community had in Legion.

The GCD change while noticable isn't nearly as bad as some people make it out to be. Do I like it? No, not really. Is it game breaking?... No not really.

The rep grind for Allied races isn't that bad and you can unlock them inside of a month easily if you tunnel vision. Plus with 8.1 they are adding more rep making it easy peasy.

The story, I'm sorry has been great so far. Not where I would have taken it, but I'm not the one writing it, so where I would have taken it doesn't matter. What matters is I am enjoying watching it all play out, bad character decisions and all, because we all make poor choices when we don't have the benefit of hindsight (and even then!) So when a character makes a bad decision it humanizes them to me. Remember the characters in the story don't have our meta knowledge.

The dungeons are excellent, and tbh I enjoy the over all design much better than I did the ones from the past 4 expansions. If you don't I'd love to discuss what you don't like about them in a meaningful way.

The first raid, while for full disclosure I am a LFR casual due to RL hecticness, I've enjoyed it a lot and my Heroic and Mythic Raiding friends all agree it's a well designed raid. We also agree the thing missing is the excitement of collecting a new tier set.

The new zones are gorgeous and while zones like Stormsong Valley and Voldoun (sp) have quest pacing issues. The zones themselves are impressive.

And seriously folks Drustvar is one of the best designed zones in design and story pacing in the game at the moment. You can tell the team doing that zone freaking loved it. (Nazmir is a close second story wise this exoansion.)

So over all while BFA isn't great so far, it also isn't the dumpster fire some of you are going out of your way to claim it is. It's a mediocre expansion so far, and yes it's in the shadow of the epicness of Legion... But okay, is well okay. Maybe as it progresses it will go from okay, to pretty good. Maybe it will get worse who knows but really guys... Stop the Hyperbole it's not that bad.


I would counter your "isn't that bad" with "it ain't that good" either. ME3's ending was so bad because it was the end of Shepard. If BFA was the last expansion for Warcraft, yeah it would be right there next to ME3 with worst release ever.

Azerite and the stupid necklace are not fun. The story telling is hit and miss. For every good storyline there is an equally bad one.
Guys the fire has only burned down 1/3 of the house its fine, stop acting like the whole thing is burning alright, its not that hot.
10/16/2018 12:47 PMPosted by Zaraela
10/16/2018 06:26 AMPosted by Códy
I disagree. BFA is definitely the worst expansion by far so far.

No, no it's not. Not even close. If BFA manages to not release a major content patch for OVER A YEAR then I will agree with you but we already know that's NOT happening. WoD is still the worst.


When the core of the game is bad, it DOESN'T MATTER how much content they release. When your gameplay isn't fun and progression is pure RNG, the content isn't fun no matter how plentiful it is. WoD had low content, but at least the content there was decent and the class design was OKish.
10/16/2018 06:20 AMPosted by Leshe
So here's the deal folks. BFA isn't "that" bad


No. Not in all aspects it isn't that bad. But it is overall, bad. Bad enough that I'd honestly rather play Warlords of Draenor.

I do like the new zones, the environment, the overall art design, the music. Absolutely magnificent. I'm mildly concerned about the story because I think they always write themselves into a corner when they heat up the Alliance vs. Horde feud but I willing to see how it plays out.

But the reason BfA is bad is because its a continuing culmination of a design direction initiated in Warlords (and fleshed out in Legion with Artifact weapons) that changes the foundation of the game — character progression. By fully implementing an alternate progression system into the game, they've fully warped all content into a resource grind, making all content subservient to gathering that resource to power up our characters. Instead of player characters going into content to experience the content and progress, we go into content in the hopes of gathering something tangential to gameplay and hoping we get a gear drop rather than targeting a gear drop to progress. In a sense, it's a system designed to stifle progression and string out game time to the detriment of game play.

Which is why I'd rather play Warlords than BfA. While the class changes and the garrison in Warlords degraded much of the game play, it still was a better game play structure than BfA. A player still got to experience the content and target the gear they wanted. Apexis crystals were for purchasing new gear, not powering up an alternate progression system. But the content was still the primary way to progress your character, not mindless resource gathering.
10/16/2018 02:12 PMPosted by Bahlmoral
10/16/2018 12:19 PMPosted by Snowfox
The people who want to claim BfA is utterly unplayable 0-star broken.. don't want to listen to reason. They want to be upset and hyperbolic.

Telling them not to be is telling them to stop spinning their chicken little narratives.

Of course they won't want to. They want the opposite.


Things we can count on: death, taxes and Snowfox playing kiss-!@# to Blizzard

That and when somebody gets defensive because I hit a little too close to home without ever naming them at all - they'll come after me with personal attacks...
The OP is missing the overall complaint. People aren't having fun me included. My sub is canceled and ends on 11/10/2018. This xpack just isn't very fun.
10/16/2018 06:20 AMPosted by Leshe
So here's the deal folks. BFA isn't "that" bad


It's actually really bad. thanks.
BFA is fine.

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