The Alliance is losing the war

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11/03/2018 12:36 AMPosted by Valuelle
The real question is, why did the alliance not recruit a peasant levy from the very beginning? Don't they understand that professional soldiers are much more valuable then your average joe-schmoe farmer, of which an entire generation can die in the process of war and it could still not so irreversibly hurt the nation?


No, of course not, because Anduin's a 17 year old child with no experience in anything.

He sent all those professional soldiers out to zerg Undercity just to be slaughtered by the blight.
11/03/2018 12:45 AMPosted by Lena
He sent all those professional soldiers out to zerg Undercity just to be slaughtered by the blight.
He just assumed he'd win because Blizz would Deus Ex in some solution to save him. And they did, so he was right to not was resources on strategy or planning!
11/03/2018 12:45 AMPosted by Lena
11/03/2018 12:36 AMPosted by Valuelle
The real question is, why did the alliance not recruit a peasant levy from the very beginning? Don't they understand that professional soldiers are much more valuable then your average joe-schmoe farmer, of which an entire generation can die in the process of war and it could still not so irreversibly hurt the nation?


No, of course not, because Anduin's a 17 year old child with no experience in anything.

He sent all those professional soldiers out to zerg Undercity just to be slaughtered by the blight.


Why was Anduin made High King? I actually missed that particular meeting, since all the classes split off and the Alliance/Horde was practically defunct. Shouldn't Tyrande be questioning his authority to even maneuver and command soldiers, why is a 17 year old the military commander of the Alliance? Turalyon, Alleria, Tyrande, all better candidates.
11/03/2018 01:07 AMPosted by Valuelle
Why was Anduin made High King? I actually missed that particular meeting, since all the classes split off and the Alliance/Horde was practically defunct. Shouldn't Tyrande be questioning his authority to even maneuver and command soldiers, why is a 17 year old the military commander of the Alliance? Turalyon, Alleria, Tyrande, all better candidates.


We have no idea. Blizzard hasn't told us.
11/03/2018 12:44 AMPosted by Valuelle
11/03/2018 12:43 AMPosted by Bronnix
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He didn't have much of a choice.

Silvermoon is protected by the Sunwell and its own navy.

Org is too far and a massive army is already stationed in Org after returning from Darn. They would be facing too many.

UC was the most isolated and undefended option.


Could have attacked Suramar lmao


Why? It would not cripple the Horde war machine at all. It would be a senseless and useless attack.

Not to mention fighting in narrow city streets is a nightmare it would be far too much trouble for the amount of troops they would lose.
11/03/2018 12:45 AMPosted by Lena
11/03/2018 12:36 AMPosted by Valuelle
The real question is, why did the alliance not recruit a peasant levy from the very beginning? Don't they understand that professional soldiers are much more valuable then your average joe-schmoe farmer, of which an entire generation can die in the process of war and it could still not so irreversibly hurt the nation?


No, of course not, because Anduin's a 17 year old child with no experience in anything.

He sent all those professional soldiers out to zerg Undercity just to be slaughtered by the blight.

11/03/2018 12:55 AMPosted by Hahahahahaha
He just assumed he'd win because Blizz would Deus Ex in some solution to save him. And they did, so he was right to not was resources on strategy or planning!


I still sometimes wonder why you folks rage at the puppets and not the puppet masters pulling the strings and making these characters commit bad strategic decisions.
8.1 disagrees with you. The Alliance has won a battle that has given them a significant edge to the point victory is now possible.
Pure speculation.
No, of course not, because Anduin's a 17 year old child with no experience in anything.

He sent all those professional soldiers out to zerg Undercity just to be slaughtered by the blight.


And yet now the Alliance is on the cusp of victory. NO ONE in WoW has ever experience nothing but victory. Hell, both Tyrande and Velen failed quite a few times and may of their people died because of it.

Ultimately Anduin has suceeded and soon enough you will probably have to eat your words, or more likely continue sulking.

As for your levy question, the Alliance is suppose to protect the weak, we are not Horde and levies ultimately would hurt the Alliance economy that is supporting the war!
11/03/2018 12:00 PMPosted by Zerde

As for your levy question, the Alliance is suppose to protect the weak, we are not Horde and levies ultimately would hurt the Alliance economy that is supporting the war!


Indeed, Westfall has its share of hardships all on its own. Pulling the farmers out to serve in the military would only compound those difficulties.
11/03/2018 12:55 AMPosted by Hahahahahaha
11/03/2018 12:45 AMPosted by Lena
He sent all those professional soldiers out to zerg Undercity just to be slaughtered by the blight.
He just assumed he'd win because Blizz would Deus Ex in some solution to save him. And they did, so he was right to not was resources on strategy or planning!


Anduin had three Deus Ex Machina's magicked into existence for him in Battle For Undercity.

That's how bad his leadership is. It took three just for a Pyrrhic "win" that Blizzard is calling a loss.
11/03/2018 12:54 PMPosted by Anyaceltica
11/03/2018 12:55 AMPosted by Hahahahahaha
...He just assumed he'd win because Blizz would Deus Ex in some solution to save him. And they did, so he was right to not was resources on strategy or planning!


Anduin had three Deus Ex Machina's magicked into existence for him in Battle For Undercity.

That's how bad his leadership is. It took three just for a Pyrrhic "win" that Blizzard is calling a loss.


Not that I think his leadership is awful, buuuuut....

Three Deus Ex's, and one case of the enemy willfully choosing not to kill you, don't forget that part.
11/03/2018 12:54 PMPosted by Anyaceltica
11/03/2018 12:55 AMPosted by Hahahahahaha
...He just assumed he'd win because Blizz would Deus Ex in some solution to save him. And they did, so he was right to not was resources on strategy or planning!


Anduin had three Deus Ex Machina's magicked into existence for him in Battle For Undercity.

That's how bad his leadership is. It took three just for a Pyrrhic "win" that Blizzard is calling a loss.


That's how good his leadership is. Anduin has experienced nothing but the universe bending to bail him out. It makes sense that he now banks on it.
Is that lost honor cutscene suppose to happen AFTER 8.1? because as of right now, That cutscene runs completely counter to whats happening in Bfa. Anduin even states that the alliance is mere weeks from winning the war (which is why he wont support splitting his forces for tyrande's quest).

The horde has done nothing but lose this entire expansion, yet the alliance is close to defeat? how exactly? They have decimated the zandalari, reclaimed the scepter, obliterated the fleet (the one advantage horde was counting on).

If that cutscene is for 8.2 when slyvanus claims an old god artifact and totally doesnt pull a Garrosh, then fair enough.
11/03/2018 01:25 PMPosted by Middboss
Is that lost honor cutscene suppose to happen AFTER 8.1? because as of right now, That cutscene runs completely counter to whats happening in Bfa. Anduin even states that the alliance is mere weeks from winning the war (which is why he wont support splitting his forces for tyrande's quest).

The horde has done nothing but lose this entire expansion, yet the alliance is close to defeat? how exactly? They have decimated the zandalari, reclaimed the scepter, obliterated the fleet (the one advantage horde was counting on).

If that cutscene is for 8.2 when slyvanus claims an old god artifact and totally doesnt pull a Garrosh, then fair enough.


I believe its supposed to be set in the Juncture between 8.0 and 8.1 and matches with Saurfang's quest line.
11/03/2018 01:26 PMPosted by Saiphas
11/03/2018 01:25 PMPosted by Middboss
Is that lost honor cutscene suppose to happen AFTER 8.1? because as of right now, That cutscene runs completely counter to whats happening in Bfa. Anduin even states that the alliance is mere weeks from winning the war (which is why he wont support splitting his forces for tyrande's quest).

The horde has done nothing but lose this entire expansion, yet the alliance is close to defeat? how exactly? They have decimated the zandalari, reclaimed the scepter, obliterated the fleet (the one advantage horde was counting on).

If that cutscene is for 8.2 when slyvanus claims an old god artifact and totally doesnt pull a Garrosh, then fair enough.


I believe its supposed to be set in the Juncture between 8.0 and 8.1 and matches with Saurfang's quest line.


so before the raid on zandalar when both sides are basically still spinning their wheels?
11/03/2018 01:29 PMPosted by Middboss
11/03/2018 01:26 PMPosted by Saiphas
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I believe its supposed to be set in the Juncture between 8.0 and 8.1 and matches with Saurfang's quest line.


so before the raid on zandalar when both sides are basically still spinning their wheels?


Essentially yes, I believe that is the framing. Though you know as well as I do how...squishy timelines can be.
Anduin had three Deus Ex Machina's magicked into existence for him in Battle For Undercity.

That's how bad his leadership is. It took three just for a Pyrrhic "win" that Blizzard is calling a loss.


As oppose to say Tyrande/the night elves? Hell, the night elves got bailed out of the war of the ancient thanks to several deux ex machinas as well. Tyrande had a literal plot armor of moonlight that prevented her from dying!
11/03/2018 01:49 PMPosted by Zerde
Anduin had three Deus Ex Machina's magicked into existence for him in Battle For Undercity.

That's how bad his leadership is. It took three just for a Pyrrhic "win" that Blizzard is calling a loss.


As oppose to say Tyrande/the night elves? Hell, the night elves got bailed out of the war of the ancient thanks to several deux ex machinas as well. Tyrande had a literal plot armor of moonlight that prevented her from dying!


Can we just agree that the Alliance leadership in general sucks at battle tactics? They have Sylvanas's problem in reverse. Their politics are lined up right, but they can't fight their way out of a paper bag.

In fact Anduin's the MOST competent in my book because Zul'dazar was as much of a success as you could hope to get in their condition.
If there's one thing I'm convinced, it's that the WoW team does not know how to form a coherent, or even tolerable, story anymore.
11/02/2018 01:32 PMPosted by Lena
Maybe Anduin shouldn't have tried to zerg rush Lordaeron without plans for the Blight.


Perhaps the writers should give the Alliance an anti blight plan? Honestly you can see the faulty ceiling but still blame the Alliance for that cop out?

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