Terran Gregory. So much love to Night Elves.

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11/13/2018 02:27 PMPosted by Murdra
11/13/2018 11:12 AMPosted by Akiyass
Worgen cannot be raised into undead because of their connection to the Emerald Dream... Night Elves are probably the most connected race to the Emerald dream in the Lore, and blessed by Ysera.


iirc, the worgen curse is rooted in druidism, which itself is rooted in the Emerald Dream. Which would indicate to me that it's only druids that are "protected" from being raised from the dead by anyone not named the Lich King.

And not all Night Elves are druids, so the non-druid elves would still be susceptible to being raised.


Now that I think about it, Night Elves were conncect to the Dream via the World Tree, which was blessed by Ysera. Could it be Sylvanas burned it down so she could raise Night Elves?
11/13/2018 02:03 PMPosted by Serevèn
11/13/2018 01:23 PMPosted by Amadis
The reason I posted this was because around here we all have the mentally that all Blizzard writers hate Night Elves, that they want to kill off the Night Elves, that they only want to write the Night Elves as punching bags for the Horde or to prop up Human leadership.

But here is a person, a director, a writer that has clear and supremely visible love for the Night Elves.
How's the old saying go? Actions speak louder than words. He's sure saying he loves nelfs a lot. Shame none of it really translates.

Actions do speak louder than words. The action here is that Terran Gregory created "Terror of Darkshore." The action here was that Terran Gregory put in the effort to reference previous artistic renditions of Night Elves that he didn't have to. The action here was Terran Gregory asked for Tyrande to get an enhanced look to make her presence more profound. The action here was that Terran Gregory pitched and proposed the Night Elves being the personification of ferocity in their return to Darkshore.

People are overlooking all that as if Terran Gregory has any responsibility for the gameplay or questing content that comes after that his team didn't create. I'm not saying Blizzard over all has treated the Night Elves right. But I didn't post up this thread to say Blizzard has. I posted it because Terran Gregory has.
Not to start a flame war, but I hope the same love and care is later put into restoring the Forsaken to what they were originally sold as. This happening for the night elves seems like a big step in the right direction for them, imo.
11/13/2018 02:39 PMPosted by Verlius
Not to start a flame war, but I hope the same love and car is later put into restoring the Forsaken to what they were originally sold as. This happening for the night elves seems like a big step in the right direction for them, imo.

I almost feel like that's what the Desolate Council should have been. Move away from the Forsaken being outright monsters, and back to real people trying to deal with their condition. At least, that's what the original Forsaken were, to me.

But, well, y'know...
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iirc, the worgen curse is rooted in druidism, which itself is rooted in the Emerald Dream. Which would indicate to me that it's only druids that are "protected" from being raised from the dead by anyone not named the Lich King.

And not all Night Elves are druids, so the non-druid elves would still be susceptible to being raised.


Now that I think about it, Night Elves were conncect to the Dream via the World Tree, which was blessed by Ysera. Could it be Sylvanas burned it down so she could raise Night Elves?


There's also more then just one world tree left. Hyjal for example , not to mention the other areas on both kalimdor and eastern kingdom that share portals to Val Sharah. Broken shore still has its world tree even after the corruption was purged. Hyjal was close to Teldrassil so they still have a connection.
11/13/2018 02:39 PMPosted by Verlius
Not to start a flame war, but I hope the same love and car is later put into restoring the Forsaken to what they were originally sold as. This happening for the night elves seems like a big step in the right direction for them, imo.
Idk, it depends. Are they going back to being stoic anti-heroes or cackling muderous villains.

Imo, they need to start kicking Ol’ Nate in the rear and start giving him some individuality. Cuz the only purpose he serves is to act like a jerk and gawk at his queen and ramble on about how great she is. I love Jim Pirri’s voice acting, he does a great job, but it’s constantly wasted on posturing and glorifying Sylvanas.

He needs to do something else to make him distinguishable from your typical forsaken, cuz his facelift ritual is not enough in my eyes.
Fact of the matter is that as a Warfront, Darkshore is destined to be the same non-resolved deadlock that Stromgarde is... being essentially a PVE encounter that both sides "win".

You're generally considered a lesser player if you roll Alliance generally, and a total weenie if you roll an elf.... even a Horde version, but especially a "tree hugging" Night Elf.
11/13/2018 02:37 PMPosted by Amadis
People are overlooking all that as if Terran Gregory has any responsibility for the gameplay or questing content that comes after that his team didn't create. I'm not saying Blizzard over all has treated the Night Elves right. But I didn't post up this thread to say Blizzard has. I posted it because Terran Gregory has.


You literally started your OP in linking Ion's statements whose primary responsibility is ingame execution, thus implying that your thread is involving Blizzard as a whole with Ion and Terran as proof of such.

But as we all know, Blizzard doesn't change much from datamine (I'm looking at you Brennedam) via established precedence so far. Not to put down Terran or anything, dude's great since his first professional debut of directing the Wrathgate cinematic way back in the day, but the dude isn't holding the reigns of game writing that we overall have issue with.
11/13/2018 05:57 PMPosted by Vivette
You literally started your OP in linking Ion's statements whose primary responsibility is ingame execution, thus implying that your thread is involving Blizzard as a whole with Ion and Terran as proof of such.


I mean not really he just used it as an introduction. The rest of thread and the title is about appreciating Terran Gregorys love for Night Elves that he seems to express in explaining the thought process behind the cinematic. That's all this is about. Not the gameplay or anything else.
11/13/2018 05:57 PMPosted by Vivette

But as we all know, Blizzard doesn't change much from datamine (I'm looking at you Brennedam) via established precedence so far. Not to put down Terran or anything, dude's great since his first professional debut of directing the Wrathgate cinematic way back in the day, but the dude isn't holding the reigns of game writing that we overall have issue with.


Warcraft has a major history of datamined material that was never actually coded into game.
11/13/2018 06:06 PMPosted by Savanovic
11/13/2018 05:57 PMPosted by Vivette
You literally started your OP in linking Ion's statements whose primary responsibility is ingame execution, thus implying that your thread is involving Blizzard as a whole with Ion and Terran as proof of such.

I mean not really he just used it as an introduction. The rest of thread and the title is about appreciating Terran Gregorys love for Night Elves that he seems to express in explaining the thought process behind the cinematic. That's all this is about. Not the gameplay or anything else.

Indeed. Ion's statements are more positive, but that reflects more towards what Serevèn said, words just being words. But Ion's statements are also make a good introduction, because in his statements one might wonder what he's talking about, since we had no idea what he was basing his statements off of since what we've tested has not reflected his words. Instead, I think it becomes clearer that Ion's understanding of the Darkshore Warfront is based on the pitch that Terran Gregory sold him on for "Terror of Darkshore."

Ion's comments also make a good introduction because they are only only are a few brief words here and there that, well, feel shallow, where as Terran Gregory has literally an hour long interview on the efforts he and his team put in to make the Night Elves awesome.
The biggest issue is even if Terran has a love for Night Elves, the rest of the writing team has active malice toward them. Even if Ion's statements here are a step in the right direction, this is a man who has repeatedly ignored criticism from Night Elf fans, and who's words are seemingly forced here.

Nathanos needs to die. This faction war story is doomed so long as we have a dev self insert taking center stage. Case in point, his confrontation with Tyrande.
11/14/2018 08:28 AMPosted by Akiyass
The biggest issue is even if Terran has a love for Night Elves, the rest of the writing team has active malice toward them. Even if Ion's statements here are a step in the right direction, this is a man who has repeatedly ignored criticism from Night Elf fans, and who's words are seemingly forced here.

I don't disagree with you here. But that wasn't the point of me putting up this thread. I wanted to share that at least there is one writer who does care about the Night Elves.

11/14/2018 08:28 AMPosted by Akiyass
Nathanos needs to die. This faction war story is doomed so long as we have a dev self insert taking center stage. Case in point, his confrontation with Tyrande.

Weirdly enough, Tyrande's fight against Nathanos has been mostly taken care of on the PTR now. Now Tyrande just makes Nathanos look like a chump even after both Val'kyr are actively empowering him, and he's not even fighting her alone any more, as he has a bunch of Royal Dreadguard Forsaken with him now that get taken out, Nathanos is almost out of health by the end of it, and Tyrande doesn't take a single hit from him.

Incidentally, Terran Gregory also made a joke about how Nathanos got farmed back in Classic in the interview about "Terror of Darkshore", too. I can't get to my computer right now to look up the timestamp for it at the moment, though, or I would provide a transcription of that, too.
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