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Paladin
Ret is honestly as great as I’ve ever seen it I hope blizzard does not change it. It has a nice pacing and I hit harder than a female dog. I’m ilvl 372 and can pretty much solo ANY class in world pvp. Only have trouble with mages sometimes. I’m consistently doing top dps in heroic uldir and the rotation feels so simple and smooth which a lot of people like. F HoW. Everyone is complaining about making HoW as baseline but that would honestly ruin the flow for me. I’d rather have blizz buff HoW than make it baseline. It literally makes NO difference whether it’s baseline or not if it’s buffed. Mobility isn’t an issue bc we hit so hard when we’ get on the target. Again I’ll reiterate Ret is so good and I’m loving it. However I’m geared and whatever azerite traits I have rn are damn good. BfA has a lot of game design flaws but the ret playstyle isn’t one of them. GREAT pvp traits. Battlegrounds, raids, world pvp, duels, mythic plus, we are Gods unless you’re talking about the highest lvls of play. This is my opinion I think a lot of people would agree with me.
As someone without that high an ilvl, I can say that low levels of haste make ret rotational gaps awfully painful. I also despise our magic horse mobility talent and the lack of cleave damage. Other than that, I have no real complaints. They are doing an incredible job on animation updates. I enjoyed WoD ret a lot more than the Legion/BfA version, but it's mostly acceptable.
Apparently the OP hasn't read any of the posts that litter the different forums relating to classes where the ret community is very upset with the current design and playstyle of ret. And considering you havent even cleared Heroic Uldir, you really haven't even seen some of the harder content.

So forgive me if I do not think your assessment of Ret is accurate.
11/07/2018 03:35 PMPosted by Lawless
Apparently the OP hasn't read any of the posts that litter the different forums relating to classes where the ret community is very upset with the current design and playstyle of ret. And considering you havent even cleared Heroic Uldir, you really haven't even seen some of the harder content.

So forgive me if I do not think your assessment of Ret is accurate.


LOL harder content? Why don’t you try some pvp bud. I haven’t cleared heroic uldir bc I’m not and have never been in a guild that raids. It’s all random lfg. you have no rated pvp experience and you’re honor level 15. I’m at least 1800 with way more honor. Quit acting like you’re hot !@#$ it’s embarrassing
11/07/2018 04:32 PMPosted by Luminos
LOL harder content? Why don’t you try some pvp bud. I haven’t cleared heroic uldir bc I’m not and have never been in a guild that raids. It’s all random lfg. you have no rated pvp experience and you’re honor level 15. I’m at least 1800 with way more honor. Quit acting like you’re hot !@#$ it’s embarrassing

Well, in your initial post you were very clearly talking about Ret being Gods in raids and mythic plus, and the truth is that they are not great at either. Lawless was simply pointing out that you do not have (or seem to have) experience with the content that Retribution is currently struggling at.

Granted, you might be above the average player when it comes to pvp, but most of the complains about paladins are NOT about pvp. You are entitled to have your own opinion on this matter, but please keep it civil.
11/07/2018 04:32 PMPosted by Luminos
11/07/2018 03:35 PMPosted by Lawless
Apparently the OP hasn't read any of the posts that litter the different forums relating to classes where the ret community is very upset with the current design and playstyle of ret. And considering you havent even cleared Heroic Uldir, you really haven't even seen some of the harder content.

So forgive me if I do not think your assessment of Ret is accurate.


LOL harder content? Why don’t you try some pvp bud. I haven’t cleared heroic uldir bc I’m not and have never been in a guild that raids. It’s all random lfg. you have no rated pvp experience and you’re honor level 15. I’m at least 1800 with way more honor. Quit acting like you’re hot !@#$ it’s embarrassing


Hard getting into a heroic raid when every other class does your job better :c
11/07/2018 03:35 PMPosted by Lawless
the ret community is very upset with the current design and playstyle of ret
The small minority of people who post on these forums aren't the community. You're a small sub sect of the community at best.
The rets who post can't even agree on if ret is fine or not. Some want more utility, some just want to be a diablo style OP damage bot, and others are happy with ret.
Yea, I don't care for ret's overly simple playstyle right now. At least in Legion you had some semblance of resource management, especially once you got to higher gear levels with the cape/dp ring. I can't see how a super simple rotation would keep one engaged.
11/07/2018 04:32 PMPosted by Luminos
11/07/2018 03:35 PMPosted by Lawless
Apparently the OP hasn't read any of the posts that litter the different forums relating to classes where the ret community is very upset with the current design and playstyle of ret. And considering you havent even cleared Heroic Uldir, you really haven't even seen some of the harder content.

So forgive me if I do not think your assessment of Ret is accurate.


LOL harder content? Why don’t you try some pvp bud. I haven’t cleared heroic uldir bc I’m not and have never been in a guild that raids. It’s all random lfg. you have no rated pvp experience and you’re honor level 15. I’m at least 1800 with way more honor. Quit acting like you’re hot !@#$ it’s embarrassing


I'm 2k+ in RBGs...Ret is not welcome nor well represented there. In the top 200 there's 3 ppl playing as ret, 1 hasn't played in over a month, and the other 2 play holy as well

#s don't lie

But yeah we're awesome for 1v1s and can rock in arenas w the right comp, but aside from that there's nothing and it's not getting better any time soon
Ret is literally BOTTOM dops at the 75th percentile in Mythic...

lol
Ret sucks for arena now. All of legion I was 2.3k 3v3 and 2.4k 2v2 and now I'm much worse, i can't even do any damage to anyone at 2.1cr. Plus rets worse mobility in the game by far.
Ret is below par in Arena, M+ and Raiding.

If we were truly Gods, people would not be passing over Rets for just about any content.

We're far from crap, but there we are unlikely to be picked over Most other classes for just about any content.
I raid mythic Uldir and let me tell you, having 0 cleave near 0 mobility and no real utility besides BOP makes me feel completely useless. I'm 382 equipped and I do solid damage but on some fights paladin is just so bad. I don't mind having little to no mobility but our damage needs to be more. Single Target is fine right now but we have no cleave which in this tier is very important.
11/07/2018 02:29 PMPosted by Luminos
we are Gods unless you’re talking about the highest lvls of play.


A main problem is at higher levels of competition. We are not performing as well as other classes (talking about PvE specifically). In fact, we are the worst. And yes, there does seem to be a sweet spot with our ilevel and haste that our rotation feels a bit smoother. I know that I have haste on every piece of gear and sit at 21% and in Uldir I only rarely hit that "cooldown deadzone".

11/07/2018 04:32 PMPosted by Luminos
LOL harder content? Why don’t you try some pvp bud. I haven’t cleared heroic uldir bc I’m not and have never been in a guild that raids. It’s all random lfg. you have no rated pvp experience and you’re honor level 15. I’m at least 1800 with way more honor. Quit acting like you’re hot !@#$ it’s embarrassing


There's no need to be so abrasive. This has been an ongoing issue on these forums, and many people have presented well thought-out complaints with possible ways of fixing the specs. Bear in mind that your opinion will differ with others, and just because you see yourself doing well does not mean others see the same thing in their group, raid, team, etc.

You're a Paladin; try to act like one.
The OP talks about Heroic Uldir, topping meters, then later mentions hes in pugs and there are no logs to show his pro skills. Says we are GODS in raids, but hasn't cleared Heroic Uldir. Says we are GODS overall except when it comes to highest level content.

If you meant, that ret is great for a casual that doesn't raid or do highest level content, you might have been onto something but really you're not.

It's true I don't care about arena or PVP that much in this game, shocker! But I was not the one coming into the paladin forums telling every paladin to quit complaining because we are a god class.

There is NOTHING we are currently EXCELLING in better than any other class, there is NOTHING we are OVER represented in, raids/M+/PvP that would dictate we are FINE or GODS.

In short your feeble attempt to promote ret as being FINE or GODLY in its current state lacks any real proof especially when it comes to your own experience.
True that was uncalled for I apologize. my main point with the post is that besides the top 1% mythic raiding 2200+ rets we are all around in a good spot. Some classes are better at certain thing but I can’t think of a single class that is as well rounded as ret. we can do everything really good. Most rets aren’t doing mythic raiding. The forums represent most of the “elite” players but not the majority of the ret community. let’s just stop acting like ret is broken if changes are needed they are strictly minor number tunings. the playstyle is great. I would NOT want to gain a divine steed charge or something and lose dmg for it. Or anything like that. Also I’ll duel any of you.
11/07/2018 03:35 PMPosted by Lawless
Apparently the OP hasn't read any of the posts that litter the different forums relating to classes where the ret community is very upset with the current design and playstyle of ret. And considering you havent even cleared Heroic Uldir, you really haven't even seen some of the harder content.

So forgive me if I do not think your assessment of Ret is accurate.


LOL harder content? Why don’t you try some pvp bud. I haven’t cleared heroic uldir bc I’m not and have never been in a guild that raids. It’s all random lfg. you have no rated pvp experience and you’re honor level 15. I’m at least 1800 with way more honor. Quit acting like you’re hot !@#$ it’s embarrassing


Man...to think 1800 rating is good...LOL.
The only thing I know is I was turned down for all the mythic groups when I tried to join as Ret. I get approved immediately once I go Holy. Since they were Mythic 0 runs I have no idea why anyone would not want a 360 Ret in the group. However no one did.

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