Sharding will ruin Classic, a cry to blues

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don't underestimate how much of an impact and how big of a foundation having a consistent community was/is. I understand there's a point where there's a cap for server load and server performance, but making this a permanent choice and not just one for launch is a horrible decision. People like to see a populated realm (not just auction house or level cap inn) filled with other players who also enjoy the game we pay to play.
Where are you getting the idea that this is a permanent choice?
11/14/2018 07:31 AMPosted by Oldallagala
Where are you getting the idea that this is a permanent choice?
Blizzard is pulling sharding out at literally the very first possible moment. If you think they won't use it again the next time there is an issue with crowding, I've got a bridge to sell you.
11/14/2018 07:37 AMPosted by Aranhod
11/14/2018 07:31 AMPosted by Oldallagala
Where are you getting the idea that this is a permanent choice?
Blizzard is pulling sharding out at literally the very first possible moment. If you think they won't use it again the next time there is an issue with crowding, I've got a bridge to sell you.


They are using it for the biggest rush of players, and the biggest density of populations that classic wow will ever see considering they hinted toward them having a higher population cap for the start of classic. Any other event will have much much much less players concentrated in one area. They also mentioned that no matter what happens after launch they are not going to use sharding. So if you don't believe them, that's a different topic to be discussed. But as of right now your paranoia is based off 100% speculation and 0% facts.
sharidn is gonig to be teh bomb guise so cool
11/14/2018 07:40 AMPosted by Oldallagala
the biggest rush of players, and the biggest density of populations that classic wow will ever see
That's not even close to true. Even if you completely ignore player-driven events, which were large enough to literally crash the servers in Vanilla, there's still the AQ gate opening at the very least.
Just nine more months of chicken little threads guys!
Log in to classic on launch
Starting zones are nearly empty sans maybe 20ish people that constantly change every time you join/leave a group
Ah yes, this is exactly how an MMO should play
11/14/2018 07:42 AMPosted by Aranhod
11/14/2018 07:40 AMPosted by Oldallagala
the biggest rush of players, and the biggest density of populations that classic wow will ever see
That's not even close to true. Even if you completely ignore player-driven events, which were large enough to literally crash the servers in Vanilla, there's still the AQ gate opening at the very least.


This is 100% true whether you want to believe it or not. Even if they didn't increase the population at launch this will still be 100% true. I'll do a little scenario for you here. Let's just says the server cap isn't increased at launch and the cap is set at an exact 3k. At launch, every is going to be forced into 6 zones, whether they are good, bad, there for a minute, there forever, and everyone in between. In a perfect scenario this means there will be 500 people per zone.

Now let's look at events like the gates opening. Assuming the server will be capped out at this event (which is already assuming A LOT), the only realistic levels of players that will be there are level 58-60 or so. On most pservers, only about 5-8% of players even get to level 60. So even if the server is capped, and this server happens to be a REALLY level 60 populated server this would still be less than half of the amount of players that would be in one of the starting areas at launch. There would have to be almost 20% of the servers population being 60, on a capped server, all logging in specifically for this event (which a lot won't even GaF and will be pvping/farming), and this would be in a scenario where they aren't increasing caps and then and only then would you replicated the amount of players in a single starting zone at launch.

So even with all of these hypotheticals EXTREMELY in your favor, you would only replicate the launch. Which is unrealistic anyway because they

1. Will increase server caps for launch
2. There will not be that amount of people level 60 given past stats
3. There more than likely won't be that amount of players online at one time (at least not on EVERY SINGLE SERVER like launch)
4. This still is not FORCING everyone into this zone and people will be doing other things, unlike launch where they don't have a choice.
5. EVEN IF THIS HAPPENS THEY SAID THEMSELVES THEY WON'T SHARD ANY OF THESE EVENTS.
11/14/2018 07:57 AMPosted by Oldallagala
5. EVEN IF THIS HAPPENS THEY SAID THEMSELVES THEY WON'T SHARD ANY OF THESE EVENTS.


They haven't. They have said it is antithetical to the experience and that there's a big desire from the community to not have that in the game. And even if they said they won't shard past the launch I wouldn't trust them at this point since they occasionally shard RP-Servers for stability anyway.
i sai led teh sharding come what dosent kil us mak us stronger
11/14/2018 07:57 AMPosted by Oldallagala
5. EVEN IF THIS HAPPENS THEY SAID THEMSELVES THEY WON'T SHARD ANY OF THESE EVENTS.

Source? All I can find is blizzard saying they might have to use it in high traffic areas *like the starting zones* They never said they wont shard X/Y
Only for the few delusional people who believed classic was gonna be a 1:1 vanilla thing, classic will be like old school runescape, eventually content will get added and changed to suit current demands.
11/14/2018 08:11 AMPosted by Zenshigen
Only for the few delusional people who believed classic was gonna be a 1:1 vanilla thing, classic will be like old school runescape, eventually content will get added and changed to suit current demands.

If old school runescape sharded with more than 30 players in 1 area, it wouldn't have succeeded. Jagex had the foresight to get servers capable of handling the 2000 player cap that RS originally had in 2007. Without sharding.

They are using it for the biggest rush of players, and the biggest density of populations that classic wow will ever see considering they hinted toward them having a higher population cap for the start of classic. Any other event will have much much much less players concentrated in one area. They also mentioned that no matter what happens after launch they are not going to use sharding. So if you don't believe them, that's a different topic to be discussed. But as of right now your paranoia is based off 100% speculation and 0% facts.


Wrong. AQ event is the biggest density. One zone the entire server.
launch is 6 starting zones. AQ is one zone.
11/14/2018 08:08 AMPosted by Extraordinar
11/14/2018 07:57 AMPosted by Oldallagala
5. EVEN IF THIS HAPPENS THEY SAID THEMSELVES THEY WON'T SHARD ANY OF THESE EVENTS.


They haven't. They have said it is antithetical to the experience and that there's a big desire from the community to not have that in the game. And even if they said they won't shard past the launch I wouldn't trust them at this point since they occasionally shard RP-Servers for stability anyway.


11/14/2018 08:10 AMPosted by Droodguy
11/14/2018 07:57 AMPosted by Oldallagala
5. EVEN IF THIS HAPPENS THEY SAID THEMSELVES THEY WON'T SHARD ANY OF THESE EVENTS.

Source? All I can find is blizzard saying they might have to use it in high traffic areas *like the starting zones* They never said they wont shard X/Y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-GobXQTf6w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-GobXQTf6w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-GobXQTf6w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-GobXQTf6w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-GobXQTf6w
11/14/2018 08:14 AMPosted by Droodguy
11/14/2018 08:11 AMPosted by Zenshigen
Only for the few delusional people who believed classic was gonna be a 1:1 vanilla thing, classic will be like old school runescape, eventually content will get added and changed to suit current demands.

If old school runescape sharded with more than 30 players in 1 area, it wouldn't have succeeded. Jagex had the foresight to get servers capable of handling the 2000 player cap that RS originally had in 2007. Without sharding.


Because runescape servers could be run into a 2005 calculator powered by a potato with cables attached to it. Server caps are unnecesary and antiquated.
11/14/2018 07:57 AMPosted by Oldallagala

5. EVEN IF THIS HAPPENS THEY SAID THEMSELVES THEY WON'T SHARD ANY OF THESE EVENTS.


No they did not say that.

What Ion said is that there will only be 1 WB, 1 AQ event.
They were very careful with their wording and not very specific.
"a few weeks".."initial starting zones", "may"

maybe you need to watch the video clip again of him answering that question about sharding.

we have revisionist history going on here about what happened at Blizzcon last week....geeze.
11/14/2018 08:15 AMPosted by Brockthorn

They are using it for the biggest rush of players, and the biggest density of populations that classic wow will ever see considering they hinted toward them having a higher population cap for the start of classic. Any other event will have much much much less players concentrated in one area. They also mentioned that no matter what happens after launch they are not going to use sharding. So if you don't believe them, that's a different topic to be discussed. But as of right now your paranoia is based off 100% speculation and 0% facts.


Wrong. AQ event is the biggest density. One zone the entire server.
launch is 6 starting zones. AQ is one zone.


Wrong, for reasons in my previous post. Please read.

If you guys want to fear monger, be my guest if you want to live with high blood pressure for no reason. But if you are going to start ignoring facts, that's where I'll put you in your place.
11/14/2018 08:18 AMPosted by Brockthorn
11/14/2018 07:57 AMPosted by Oldallagala

5. EVEN IF THIS HAPPENS THEY SAID THEMSELVES THEY WON'T SHARD ANY OF THESE EVENTS.


No they did not say that.

What Ion said is that there will only be 1 WB, 1 AQ event.
They were very careful with their wording and not very specific.
"a few weeks".."initial starting zones", "may"

maybe you need to watch the video clip again of him answering that question about sharding.


1 WB, 1 AQ event.... think about what that means. Just think for one second what you think that means in terms of sharding. Seriously tell me what you think this means.

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