BFA is the expansion we asked for.

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You don't say.

They knew what problems carried the legendary system since the beginning, the community said it was a !@#$ty system since they noticed how relevant was a BiS legendary and they proposed a %^-*on of solutions to solve the problem. They did nothing relevant (BLP was bull!@#$ and you know it) to address the problem until the very end of the expansion, when they did not matter anymore.

They could have added another non RNG legendary progress system, but RNG, timegating and "everybody must be weak" are kings of this expansion.

Artifact weapons had 2 mayor problem: how it locked your character to 1 spec until you managed to level up your other weapon and how every spec felt incomplete and hollow until lvl 98 (when you had access to them). This problem got even worse in BfA as they removed the traits without trying to compensate the new prune, now you have a LOT of unplayable spec and some specs dominating the rankings.

Unless you link a thread of someone complaining about how easy how high keys were, I am not going to believe your claim. Blizzard deliberately moved from easy dungeons to tedious af dungeons because of MDI. Dungeons are now designed to punish you for every group pulled, lots of mosbs on every dungeon have damage reduction or CC skills.
11/11/2018 09:31 AMPosted by Oakshoes
the vocal community


Ah, yes, the Vocal Community. That wondrous group of anonymous people that are working tirelessly to be whatever anyone says they are.

In a single moment they are the reason BFA is the way it is, but also the only ones speaking against it.

They want high elves, but also dont want anymore elves.

They declare there is Horde bias, but also say there is not.

Its amazing how useful a group can be to your argument when you can make them up on the fly.
i enjoyed one shotting 12mil hp tanks out on argus on my fury warrior with the stealth 100% dmg buff STEVECRONKY IN DA HOUSEEEEE!! i would camp people mercilessly if they deserved it my only gripe was some of the people who did deserved it could just phase off the shard...lololol WINNING amirite?!?! cant fly just phase! not my fault they messed up the teleport safe zones..besides that theres not a single other thing memorable about legion.
11/11/2018 09:40 AMPosted by Cindariel
Oh really? I don't remember asking for an unfinished, buggy, timegated pile of toxic waste. But ok.


The ENTIRE game is timegated, shut up already.
11/11/2018 09:52 AMPosted by Wasselin
It is true that many of the systems in BFA especially Azerite gear was a direct response to complaints about Legendaries and the Artifact weapon in Legion.
This right here, lol!
I came back to the game mid Legion. I hadn't even done the first quest in WoD. That's how long I was gone. I started fresh in WoD, worked on Pathfinder and then did the same in Legion.

I was absolutely dreading Legion because of all the negative buzz about the Artifact Weps and Legendaries, (here and anywhere else I went for info as I slowly learned how to play modern WoW). What a bunch of utter crappola. I loved legion. Class Halls and Artifact Weapons system gave me a really cool class identity and I never felt "Mehh" about the stuff I had to do day to day.

I don't hate BfA the way others do but the Heart of Azeroth as a replacement for my Artifacts??? LOLOLOL!!!!! What a joke. I absolutely agree with OP on that point. The amount of childish crying and whining that went on over Artifacts is very likely why we have the dumpster fire that is the azerite system now... so thanks kids:)
11/11/2018 10:07 AMPosted by Joyeuse
The community asked for High Elves and got Void Elves.

OP: Debunked.


1. please stop with the high elves

2. I had no idea you speak for the rest of the community

3. please stop with the high elves
11/11/2018 09:40 AMPosted by Cindariel
Oh really? I don't remember asking for an unfinished, buggy, timegated pile of toxic waste. But ok.


The ENTIRE game is timegated. Has been forever. People complained back in the day about Isle of Q because dailies were...wait for it....daily. Shut up already.

The xpac is not unfinished. I assume you are referring to the classes. They may not be to your liking but they are not unfinished. The "bad" classes(Shaman/Priest) aren't even that bad. Damage is actually okay. Yeah, the playstyle on Spriest feels wrong but that's just a design issue. It is extremely hard to rebuild an entire class during the LIVE expansion.

Please enlighten us on the buggy game you are playing.

OP, you are 100% right. The community whined and moaned for months and months about exactly what you are saying. Now they need to find something else to complain about. Nothing is ever good enough.

Blizzard is literally listening to us and people continue to say they are not. It's absolutely idiotic. They don't see our stuff and ignore it. They see it, meet up, make an informed decision as to not break our game and then roll with it.

TLDR: Sick of the whiners. The game is not broken. If you feel you aren't being listened to or don't enjoy the game, don't play it!
11/11/2018 10:30 AMPosted by Fuzzmando
11/11/2018 09:40 AMPosted by Cindariel
Oh really? I don't remember asking for an unfinished, buggy, timegated pile of toxic waste. But ok.


The ENTIRE game is timegated. Has been forever. People complained back in the day about Isle of Q because dailies were...wait for it....daily. Shut up already.

The xpac is not unfinished. I assume you are referring to the classes. They may not be to your liking but they are not unfinished. The "bad" classes(Shaman/Priest) aren't even that bad. Damage is actually okay. Yeah, the playstyle on Spriest feels wrong but that's just a design issue. It is extremely hard to rebuild an entire class during the LIVE expansion.

Please enlighten us on the buggy game you are playing.

OP, you are 100% right. The community whined and moaned for months and months about exactly what you are saying. Now they need to find something else to complain about. Nothing is ever good enough.

Blizzard is literally listening to us and people continue to say they are not. It's absolutely idiotic. They don't see our stuff and ignore it. They see it, meet up, make an informed decision as to not break our game and then roll with it.

TLDR: Sick of the whiners. The game is not broken. If you feel you aren't being listened to or don't enjoy the game, don't play it!


I enjoy the people who all say don't play...that's clearly what's happening as every expansion more and more players leave. Think once it's down to just you playing it that they will keep adding content?
11/11/2018 09:37 AMPosted by Smadinker
Basically BFA is what the vocal community asked for.


Lol


Um...no. There is more than one vocal minority regarding WoW, so developers obviously have many ideas about the game presented to them. Developers make the expac THEY want.

It seems blatantly obvious to me that their vision is based on progression raiding and Mythic-plus players at the expense of everyone else. Not so much because they don’t want to keep casual players who do world content but more because they don’t ever listen to that group of players and just make stupid things like wqs and island expeditions and warfronts. They think casual players will like those things, and they are horribly, grotesquely wrong. So many wasted development hours...
if i was playing i wouldnt be here having so much fun
I don’t think anyone was asking for the crap in this expansion.
11/11/2018 10:10 AMPosted by Mëdicinal
The problem is, those who are happy don't come to the forums because they don't really need to. Neither do the people who aren't fully happy but don't feel like wasting the energy to complain. Nor the people who weren't happy that just unsubbed. That leaves those that are unhappy who spend their whole day crying on here that they want things easier, faster, etc. This continues expansion after expansion. What does that leave us with? Progressively crappier expansions that have gone from somewhat solid floaters to full on explosive liquid diarrhea with a bit of vomit. Which now people are finally realizing that the game the VOCAL community asked for is an RNG, daily chore, cancer forming nightmare. The problem is it's pretty much too late. /Prayers for classic.

Actually, the only difference between people who visit forums and people who don't visit forums, is that people who like to visit forums like to discuss things with random strangers on the internet.

11/11/2018 10:01 AMPosted by Muiria
many many things vocal people complained about over the years is indeed why certain things got changed and added.

i wish they just made the game. maybe take some constructive thought out complaints. but no matter what they do people will complain. even the exact people who wanted the changes.

So please just make a fun awesome game.

People make every complaint imaginable on the forums. Just because someone complained about something you disagreed with and later a game change would seem to have been made that poster would have wanted doesn't mean they read that complaint and responded with game changes.

They don't listen and respond to complaints of people you disagree with. They hear only the voices in their heads.

11/11/2018 10:30 AMPosted by Fuzzmando
The xpac is not unfinished. I assume you are referring to the classes. They may not be to your liking but they are not unfinished. The "bad" classes(Shaman/Priest) aren't even that bad. Damage is actually okay. Yeah, the playstyle on Spriest feels wrong but that's just a design issue. It is extremely hard to rebuild an entire class during the LIVE expansion.

Oh, the classes that the devs admitted were unfinished on release weren't actually unfinished? I guess you haven't been following the game, like since the beta.
Blizzard goes from one extreme to the next, they never find a balance. If a spec is bad instead of improving said bad spec, they nerf the good specs, I think they do that out of spite for us saying something.
In Cata we wanted CC and tougher dungeons to run, they made them so tough even seasoned raid groups struggled doing some of them on heroic, then they nerfed them.
We wanted the daily cap of 25 removed... in MoP we got that but they made dailies gated behind more dailies.
You get the picture.
Blizzard can't balance specs or pvp or anything else because they don't know how to find a middle ground, it's either one way or the other way, never in the middle where balance is.
I personally liked Legion, I got free legendaries i didn't raid it made questing easier. There were things about professions I didn't like, they took the things I didn't like and kept them, I didn't really say anything then, i'm not going to now, because instead of improving things they usually make them go from bad to worse.
Even when we offer viable solutions Blizzard doesn't listen. (i'm looking at a certain mvp who likes to pop in and say offer solutions) lol. I love you Crepe but it really does feel like they don't listen.
That's all I'm going to say on this, for now.
11/11/2018 10:22 AMPosted by Sincubus
11/11/2018 09:31 AMPosted by Oakshoes
the vocal community


Ah, yes, the Vocal Community. That wondrous group of anonymous people that are working tirelessly to be whatever anyone says they are.

In a single moment they are the reason BFA is the way it is, but also the only ones speaking against it.

They want high elves, but also dont want anymore elves.

They declare there is Horde bias, but also say there is not.

Its amazing how useful a group can be to your argument when you can make them up on the fly.


Ok let me be clear the “VOCAL COMMUNITY IS WOW FORUM USERS, /WOW REDDIT and any other major forum.

Also I think most casual players like the legendary system because you could get a cool item that changed how your class played.

Actually, the only difference between people who visit forums and people who don't visit forums, is that people who like to visit forums like to discuss things with random strangers on the internet.

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ive been trying for 2 hours now....but im the smelly kid in class today.
11/11/2018 09:46 AMPosted by Wÿvern
But people praised the artifact skins and the elaborate conditions to unlock them.


Lmfao I'm sorry but this is such a lie hahahaha.

All I remember on the forums and in game was people constantly complaining, "Wah my artifact sucks! I hate this hidden quest!!! My world boss is never up! This is so stupid why must I be locked behind rep to get this balance of power done?! MAGE TOWER IS WORST CONTENT EVER!" Hahahaha. The complaints about artifact skins and the things needed to require them were near endless all throughout Legion.
11/11/2018 11:14 AMPosted by Oakshoes
Ok let me be clear the “VOCAL COMMUNITY IS WOW FORUM USERS, /WOW REDDIT and any other major forum.


WoW Forums and Reddit are highly divided on opinion both internally and externally. There really is no consensus here or there for you latch onto to start grouping people together with like that.

Have some people said the things you are talking about? Sure, ive seen a few myself. But certainly not any sort of Vocal Community. Its a made up group to back up your claims.

Also I think most casual players like the legendary system because you could get a cool item that changed how your class played.


See? Here you go again.
11/11/2018 09:53 AMPosted by Perifery
This is obviously an employee of blizzard.

When i worked for a crappy restaurant a few years ago our owner made us all go on and leave phantom yelp reviews just to make the place look better when in all actuality It was a complete dumpster fire. Just like bfa is.

Nice try blizzard, nice try.
Did you just admit that you are a liar that sells his integrity?
yep just like the small amount of players that wanted leveling harder...lol.

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