Which dev is Nathanos

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10/09/2018 09:45 AMPosted by Cerdwin
10/09/2018 09:17 AMPosted by Averyx
He's a self insert from the guy who voices him. It's actually well known for a while.

Self inserts are so cringy.


He is voiced by Jim Pirri who does not work for blizzard beyond voice acting don't spread bad information


There was a post yesterday that said it was the guy who wrote one of the short stories and apparently loves Nathanos who was doing the self inserts. Maybe he writes Nathanos? I'd have to look for it.

EDIT: This post referenced a reddit post https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769696915?page=4#post-77

I think people are conflating the writer with the voice actor and making more out the the guy's tweets than there is to them imo.
I like Nathanos but the folks at Blizzard needs to ease up on the plot armor just a bit.
Tyrande or Malfurion could easily destroy him.
Nathanos isn't a self-insert.

Steve Danuser, is the developer who wrote the Dark Mirror stories and the Winderunner sisters stories.

(https://wow.gamepedia.com/Steve_Danuser) - His WoWpedia page
(https://wow.gamepedia.com/Dark_Mirror) - Short story

(https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/story/short-story/dark-mirror) - link to the story.

However Nathanos is voiced by Jim Pirri

(https://wow.gamepedia.com/Jim_Pirri) - His WoWpedia page

They are two different people, so I'm not sure it's a self insert. In life he was Nathanos Marris,

(https://www.wowhead.com/npc=20354/nathanos-marris) This was in the game since patch 2.2. So this is a really, really, really long "con" for Nathanos to suddenly be a self insert when the character has been in the game for such a long time.

Additionally....https://www.wowhead.com/item=15847/quelthalas-registry, this in-game book has Nathanos listed and this book was in the game since 1.11. So again, REALLY LONG CON, for this to be a self-insert.
10/09/2018 09:38 AMPosted by Tyierin
And just to add, Nathanos holding his own against Malfurion and Tyrande is not a problem with Nathanos. It’s a problem with Malfurion and Tyrande.

Newsflash, those two get their butts kicked every expansion. Last expansion alone Malfurion gets captured by the Shade of Xavius and gets a dragon aspect killed. Stop blaming Nathanos just because your faction leaders are pathetic.


It isn't a problem with any of the characters. It's a problem with the horrible writing. And it's funny since you're one of the biggest "there is no bias" posters while continually pointing out the very obvious bias in the writing at every turn.

You're arguments are essentially "Just because the Horde characters are always written to win and the Alliance characters are always written to lose in the worst possible and illogical ways doesn't mean there's a bias to the writing! It's just how they're written!"
10/09/2018 10:06 AMPosted by Menard
Nathanos isn't a self-insert.

Steve Danuser, is the developer who wrote the Dark Mirror stories and the Winderunner sisters stories.

(https://wow.gamepedia.com/Steve_Danuser) - His WoWpedia page
(https://wow.gamepedia.com/Dark_Mirror) - Short story

(https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/story/short-story/dark-mirror) - link to the story.

However Nathanos is voiced by Jim Pirri

(https://wow.gamepedia.com/Jim_Pirri) - His WoWpedia page

They are two different people, so I'm not sure it's a self insert. In life he was Nathanos Marris,

(https://www.wowhead.com/npc=20354/nathanos-marris) This was in the game since patch 2.2. So this is a really, really, really long "con" for Nathanos to suddenly be a self insert when the character has been in the game for such a long time.

Additionally....https://www.wowhead.com/item=15847/quelthalas-registry, this in-game book has Nathanos listed and this book was in the game since 1.11. So again, REALLY LONG CON, for this to be a self-insert.


https://imgur.com/ZnBZdoG

This is the guy who voices him. It's hard to believe he's not forcing stuff when he's a senior narrative designer writing fan-fiction about a relationship with Sylvanas. It's just weird tbh.
10/09/2018 10:06 AMPosted by Menard
Nathanos isn't a self-insert.

Steve Danuser, is the developer who wrote the Dark Mirror stories and the Winderunner sisters stories.

(https://wow.gamepedia.com/Steve_Danuser) - His WoWpedia page
(https://wow.gamepedia.com/Dark_Mirror) - Short story

(https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/story/short-story/dark-mirror) - link to the story.

However Nathanos is voiced by Jim Pirri

(https://wow.gamepedia.com/Jim_Pirri) - His WoWpedia page

They are two different people, so I'm not sure it's a self insert. In life he was Nathanos Marris,

(https://www.wowhead.com/npc=20354/nathanos-marris) This was in the game since patch 2.2. So this is a really, really, really long "con" for Nathanos to suddenly be a self insert when the character has been in the game for such a long time.

Additionally....https://www.wowhead.com/item=15847/quelthalas-registry, this in-game book has Nathanos listed and this book was in the game since 1.11. So again, REALLY LONG CON, for this to be a self-insert.


Nathanos became a self insert, that's not a hard concept to grasp that someone would take a character they think is cool and insert their own self into it and shape it. Sure nathanos had story and what not but for the most part he was completely forgotten about until he re-appeared with an updated model and the lead story writter started to RP as him and say he looks like nathanos and what not....
10/09/2018 09:39 AMPosted by Briselody
10/09/2018 09:30 AMPosted by Tyierin
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I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a writer creating some distant persona for themselves to put in game, especially if they’ve worked on the story for over a decade.

If your only argument for hating Nathanos is “he’s a self insert xD” then it’s not an argument.


There is when said character is obnoxious, arrogant to the extreme, and apparently capable of taking down a god-powered 10,000 year old warrior-priest single-handedly despite just being the corpse of some human ranger.


How many times does it have to be said Tyrande is a Holy Priest Holy gets wtf pwned by Hunters on the daily.
nothing personnel kid.
10/09/2018 10:10 AMPosted by Araiel
10/09/2018 10:06 AMPosted by Menard
Nathanos isn't a self-insert.

Steve Danuser, is the developer who wrote the Dark Mirror stories and the Winderunner sisters stories.

(https://wow.gamepedia.com/Steve_Danuser) - His WoWpedia page
(https://wow.gamepedia.com/Dark_Mirror) - Short story

(https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/story/short-story/dark-mirror) - link to the story.

However Nathanos is voiced by Jim Pirri

(https://wow.gamepedia.com/Jim_Pirri) - His WoWpedia page

They are two different people, so I'm not sure it's a self insert. In life he was Nathanos Marris,

(https://www.wowhead.com/npc=20354/nathanos-marris) This was in the game since patch 2.2. So this is a really, really, really long "con" for Nathanos to suddenly be a self insert when the character has been in the game for such a long time.

Additionally....https://www.wowhead.com/item=15847/quelthalas-registry, this in-game book has Nathanos listed and this book was in the game since 1.11. So again, REALLY LONG CON, for this to be a self-insert.


https://imgur.com/ZnBZdoG

This is the guy who voices him. It's hard to believe he's not forcing stuff when he's a senior narrative designer writing fan-fiction about a relationship with Sylvanas. It's just weird tbh.


That person isn't the one who is credited toward voicing him.

This is the guy who voices him. It's hard to believe he's not forcing stuff when he's a senior narrative designer writing fan-fiction about a relationship with Sylvanas. It's just weird tbh.


Once again, what the ever loving frick guys? Jim Pirri is the voice actor. Is anyone here capable of thinking for themselves? You keep repeating a lie over and over.
10/09/2018 10:10 AMPosted by Araiel
10/09/2018 10:06 AMPosted by Menard
Nathanos isn't a self-insert.

Steve Danuser, is the developer who wrote the Dark Mirror stories and the Winderunner sisters stories.

(https://wow.gamepedia.com/Steve_Danuser) - His WoWpedia page
(https://wow.gamepedia.com/Dark_Mirror) - Short story

(https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/story/short-story/dark-mirror) - link to the story.

However Nathanos is voiced by Jim Pirri

(https://wow.gamepedia.com/Jim_Pirri) - His WoWpedia page

They are two different people, so I'm not sure it's a self insert. In life he was Nathanos Marris,

(https://www.wowhead.com/npc=20354/nathanos-marris) This was in the game since patch 2.2. So this is a really, really, really long "con" for Nathanos to suddenly be a self insert when the character has been in the game for such a long time.

Additionally....https://www.wowhead.com/item=15847/quelthalas-registry, this in-game book has Nathanos listed and this book was in the game since 1.11. So again, REALLY LONG CON, for this to be a self-insert.


https://imgur.com/ZnBZdoG

This is the guy who voices him. It's hard to believe he's not forcing stuff when he's a senior narrative designer writing fan-fiction about a relationship with Sylvanas. It's just weird tbh.


Damn, that image is pretty telling. Just because people were wrong about the VA being the one self-inserting doesn't mean they were wrong about Nathanos becoming a self-insert Gary Stu. Man, that guy's twitter is cringey as cringey gets.

No bias though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
10/09/2018 10:13 AMPosted by Menard
10/09/2018 10:10 AMPosted by Araiel
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https://imgur.com/ZnBZdoG

This is the guy who voices him. It's hard to believe he's not forcing stuff when he's a senior narrative designer writing fan-fiction about a relationship with Sylvanas. It's just weird tbh.


That person isn't the one who is credited toward voicing him.


Guess it wasn't true then, just heard it from somewhere.

Even still though, it's still extremely cringeworthy and annoying that the only reason Nathanos is on another power level than the vengeance of Elune herself is because one of the devs wants to impress his waifu Sylvanas.
how is it plot armor to say that a Ranger Lord, the Horde Champion, and a Greater Val'kyr were able to stall Tyrande for like 5 minutes? i assume that is what this is about, but you should probably look at the scenario again if you think it's anything like plot armor.
10/09/2018 10:17 AMPosted by Nemestrïnus
how is it plot armor to say that a Ranger Lord, the Horde Champion, and a Greater Val'kyr were able to stall Tyrande for like 5 minutes? i assume that is what this is about, but you should probably look at the scenario again if you think it's anything like plot armor.


https://imgur.com/ZnBZdoG
10/09/2018 10:16 AMPosted by Araiel
10/09/2018 10:13 AMPosted by Menard
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That person isn't the one who is credited toward voicing him.


Guess it wasn't true then, just heard it from somewhere.

Even still though, it's still extremely cringeworthy and annoying that the only reason Nathanos is on another power level than the vengeance of Elune herself is because one of the devs wants to impress his waifu Sylvanas.


Is this as cringeworthy as a 18 year old boy leading the alliance? Anduin is Christie Golden's child at this point.
10/09/2018 09:30 AMPosted by Tyierin
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a writer creating some distant persona for themselves to put in game, especially if they’ve worked on the story for over a decade.

If your only argument for hating Nathanos is “he’s a self insert xD” then it’s not an argument.


You really think someone needs an "argument" to hate a character?

And there's a difference between a "distant persona" and a self insert character in a story. Anyone who knows about fiction knows what a self insert implies so there's no need to argue their worth.

10/09/2018 10:13 AMPosted by Azivalla
Once again, what the ever loving frick guys? Jim Pirri is the voice actor. Is anyone here capable of thinking for themselves? You keep repeating a lie over and over.


Well, the writer might not also voice him, but if your big problem is the mention of the voice rather than the fact that is a self insert, that doesn't change much. Pretending that's any excuse for Nathanos is absurd.

10/09/2018 10:20 AMPosted by Menard
Is this as cringeworthy as a 18 year old boy leading the alliance? Anduin is Christie Golden's child at this point.


Oh definitely, but at the moment there's definitely not much of a problem with Anduin as he's shown to make mistakes and be as he's always been in game. I mean he's pretty much not any different other than his title of High King. Unlike certain undead guy.

That also doesn't just excuse Nathanos randomly.
10/09/2018 09:17 AMPosted by Averyx
He's a self insert from the guy who voices him. It's actually well known for a while.

Stop saying this.

The guy who voices him is NOT the same as the guy who is the Sylvanas fanboy.
10/09/2018 10:20 AMPosted by Menard
10/09/2018 10:16 AMPosted by Araiel
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Guess it wasn't true then, just heard it from somewhere.

Even still though, it's still extremely cringeworthy and annoying that the only reason Nathanos is on another power level than the vengeance of Elune herself is because one of the devs wants to impress his waifu Sylvanas.


Is this as cringeworthy as a 18 year old boy leading the alliance? Anduin is Christie Golden's child at this point.


Way worse. There is historical perspective for young heirs ruling or even leading Armies (See Joan of Arc)
10/09/2018 10:17 AMPosted by Nemestrïnus
how is it plot armor to say that a Ranger Lord, the Horde Champion, and a Greater Val'kyr were able to stall Tyrande for like 5 minutes? i assume that is what this is about, but you should probably look at the scenario again if you think it's anything like plot armor.


Ranger Lord means nothing, it's like saying Admiral, he has no special powers of his own or any magic abilities, his only thing is that he was/is really good with a bow.... that's it...that's all we have been shown of him. Also a val'kyr that mind controlled tyranded, aka avatar of supposed moon god and probably only actual deity in all of warcraft.... yeah, that ain't fan fiction or a plot armor thicker than 50 layers of Yamato Class Japanese battleship armor placed one after the other.
10/09/2018 10:19 AMPosted by Deklend

https://imgur.com/ZnBZdoG


/smh JFC that is pathetic. At least now we know why the lore is being absolutely butchered in BFA. So some neckbeard can immortalize his fanfic for the undead waifu on his dakimakura.

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