Marksmanship Hunters are still waiting...

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Good evening.

I'm going to try and place a number of MM feedback threads in one. The MM spec is still waiting on their turn at fixes, but the Blues have ignored us since the release of BFA.

The state of Marksmanship - https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20764326700?page=1

MM Hunters are broken, with no fix in sight -
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769457368?page=1

Why am I paying 15 a month to be ignored?-
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769307282

MM hunter, how is your rotation?-
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769527513

Aimed Shot is destroying MM-
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769357219

Cont*

MM is fun -
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769656905

Cont*

10/9/2018 - Lone Wolf needs a boost to be viable. Gaining 10%, while a Frost mage gains 25% without a pet, is pure favoritism on the Devs part.

Get rid of Lone Wolf's ramp-up time. We shouldn't be punished for switching a pet out. Better yet, make MM a pet-less class again, providing the Devs remember how good the spec was in MoP (?).

10/10/2018

Main Problems with MM Hunter -
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769606996

New 8.1 MM Trait -
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769617177

Live Dev Q&A Thursday 11th -
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769766993?page=32#post-621

10/15/2018

Let's Talk: Part 2 -
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20748905201?page=1

10/18/2018
May as well add the main forum here -
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/1012664/
zzzzz
The blues need to stop overhauling classes if they can't get the design of it right before launch.
Just coming by to lay flowers on the grave of MM...

Really wish something would be done about the surv ranged playstyle abortion that blizz committed in legion.
Its like going from having the accuracy and play style of Legolas to realizing you've got the accuracy of an imperial stormtrooper in front of Chewbacca
10/07/2018 06:51 PMPosted by Abruof
Its like going from having the accuracy and play style of Legolas to realizing you've got the accuracy of an imperial stormtrooper in front of Chewbacca
Blizzard's idea of a sniper when Legion came was to be some drunken clown who shoots snakes doing a figure 8 at people

What the !@#$?
10/06/2018 09:48 PMPosted by Shadøw
The blues need to stop overhauling classes if they can't get the design of it right before launch.


This is my biggest gripe. The game has been out for way too long for this kind of thing to not be second nature. It should not be this complicated to get right. It just takes somebody somewhere knowing what the spec actually needs to succeed and using that as a set point. Take PvP/arena as example number A. Marksman's role in arena, due to it's other mechanics, is a primarily CC oriented spec. Because it is "plant and cast" and squishy by design, it has to have the ability to control and set up. It cannot be a spec that JUST does damage. Someone truly understanding that could not have made the decision to take away 75% of it's cc with no other realistic mechanical win condition put in place. As a long-term player it just makes you want to pull your hair out.
1. Lone Wolf needs a boost to be viable. Gaining 10%, while a Frost mage gains 25% without a pet, is pure favoritism on the Devs part.

2. Get rid of Lone Wolf's ramp-up time. We shouldn't be punished for switching a pet out. Better yet, make MM a pet-less class again, providing the Devs remember how good the spec was in MoP (?).
10/09/2018 08:55 AMPosted by Gibbseye
1. Lone Wolf needs a boost to be viable. Gaining 10%, while a Frost mage gains 25% without a pet, is pure favoritism on the Devs part.

2. Get rid of Lone Wolf's ramp-up time. We shouldn't be punished for switching a pet out. Better yet, make MM a pet-less class again, providing the Devs remember how good the spec was in MoP (?).
To be fair Frost mages can get procs off their pet to help their damage and rotation. Marks on the other hand gets access to utility abilities. Not really the same level of offensive impact.
blizzard needs to stop making raid content and devote all their resources to class balance and game reward systems balance...for about the next 3 months
I posted asking for any feedback whatsoever they're willing to give regarding the MM spec for the Q&A Thursday.

Here's to hoping we get some kind of response.
Blizz needs to give us an answer on what their plan is with MM
Blizz needs to just forget about hunter and leave it as it is. You don't want them dinking around with the class anymore than they already have.
in all honesty, i miss sidewinders markshot spam!
Marksman is in tatters, the worst Dps spec in the game.

Our current talent choice for Single target requires a certain Azerite trait to work, and even then we are still middle of the pack on most bosses.

The single target talent road also keeps us from doing any reliable AoE, and the AoE talent road is filled with bugs, inconsistencies and bad DMG compared to most other specs.

Our current strongest ST rotation consists of 2 buttons, Steady shot and Aimed shot, you are not even supposed to be casting anything else if you can help it.

This is what the rotation of a 95th parse MM hunter looks like:
https://gyazo.com/6807b7e8e8bfc75854410e57abce52e1

Blizzard no spec has ever been this lacking in complexity, why has there been no response to this?

The spec needs a complete makeover or some extreme changes in the Talent numbers for both AoE and Single target.

Lethal Shots combined with the Steady Aim azerite trait is ruining the spec for Single target and still we are middle of the pack for Dps, with the most boring rotation in the game since vanilla.

On AoE Marksman is the worst spec in the game by a large margin. As is shown obviously on the Mythic+ logs, and for the later bosses in Uldir that has any adds on it.

Look at warcraftlogs and see the evidence of these issues.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/20#dataset=90 <-- Mythic+ (Marksman dead last)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/19#dataset=90 <-- Mythic Raids (Marksman dead last)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/19#dataset=90&difficulty=4 <-- Heroic Raids (Marksman dead last)

And for those who do pvp, here is marksman in PvP
https://www.worldofwargraphs.com/pvp-stats/classes Marksman being the worst Dps spec.
Wow, that parse says a lot about the state of MM.

I'll be hugely disappointed if we don't get some kind of specific answers to plans for the spec tomorrow.
And from experience the very needed rework will contain (if happens btw)

Predicted Blue Post:

Your aimed shot is most of your dps and we want you to be more of a sniper spec. Increase arcane shot damage by %20
And we reduce aimed shot damage by %30
So you will always find depths in your rotation and arcane shot won’t be ignored.

We understand the frustuation and in return, we swap two talent rows and well umm you know what do you guys think about having some after effects for your aimed shot? Oh wait you already have buffed arcane shot. Well nvm, out of ideas hope this’ll fix.

For pvp, we include the N button. By pressing N, you will see 2 other options to play pvp.

We are not done yet! Your reforge gold is now %20 cheaper compared to other classes so after you done pvp, you can switch back the spec you loved? cheaper than other players :)

8.1.1 hotfix:
*Lone wolf increases the damage by %20,
*Reduce the damage bonus from mastery by %10 while lone wolf is active
This change makes you store 2 gear. Mastery gear with pet is active and versatility gear with lone wolf so your rotation will include feign death with gear swap macros to become more engaging and fun.

Cheers
I'm hoping for some MM hunter and shaman updates being mentioned in the q&a today. If not, I'm likely going to unsub, money is tight. Two expansions in a row where MM has been shafted.
10/06/2018 09:48 PMPosted by Shadøw
The blues need to stop overhauling classes if they can't get the design of it right before launch.

Blizz reminds me of the guy who’ll dump the perfect mate because “it just got boring after six years” then continue to serial date successivey awful people because he can’t find that special ‘thing’ that made life with their ideal mate so incredibly awesome. All the while their friends are asking, so why did you dump Ranged SV? They were like perfect, and everybody liked it.

I guess what I’m trying to say is, Blizz had a perfectly good “nobody’s complaining about the mechanics” build, then decided it wasn’t good enough. They might want to pull up that old design and just admit they were wrong to experiment with lesser builds.

Side note: I started casting Aimed Shot when this thread started, and three days later, it finally finished. I hit for like 15k, isn’t that wonderful.
There will be a new azerite trait for MM

Sharpshooter (MM): Rapid Fire damage is increased by up to 48 per shot fired, this damage starts lower and increases per shot of Rapid Fire. Aimed Shot has a 15% chance to reset the cooldown of Rapid Fire.

What do you think?

source: https://www.wowhead.com/news=287802/patch-8-1-ptr-build-28048-new-azerite-traits

Also:

The following traits are themed after the Night Elves and the Forsaken, which implies they will be found on Battle for Darkshore Warfront armor.

Night Elf Theme:

Ancients' Bulwark: Standing still grants you Deep Roots, increasing your Versatility by 0. Moving instead grants you Uprooted, healing you for 1 every 1 sec.

Shadow of Elune: Your spells and abilities have a chance to increase your Haste by 2 for 15 sec. At night, you also gain 10% movement speed for the duration.

Forsaken Theme:

Apothecary's Concoctions: Your damaging abilities have a chance to deal 18 Plague damage over 6 sec, and your healing abilities have a chance to restore 36 health over 6 sec. These effects are increased by up to 100% based on the target's missing health.

Endless Hunger: Your Versatility is increased by 0. Moving near an enemy's corpse consumes their essence, restoring 6 health.

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